Extra Terrestrail Life

[rogerday]

Greetings

I have been researching UFO's / ET's and would like to inform of Disclosureproject.

Campaign for Disclosure Witnesses Panel

National Press Club Washington, DC


Originally Broadcast Live on Wednesday, May 9, 2001

On Wednesday, May 9th, over twenty military, intelligence, government, corporate and scientific witnesses came forward at the National Press Club in Washington, DC to establish the reality of UFOs or extraterrestrial vehicles, extraterrestrial life forms, and resulting advanced energy and propulsion technologies. The weight of this first-hand testimony, along with supporting government documentation and other evidence, will establish without any doubt the reality of these phenomena, according to Dr. Steven M. Greer, director of the Disclosure Project which hosted the event.

to view the event go to http://www.disclosureproject.org/npcwebcast.htm


Roger Day

E.T.A

[Manchurian Taikonaut]

Is this meant to be evidence for alien or something?

[damienpaul]

I so want to believe in aliens visitations to earth, but alas, i am skeptical....

I'd have to wait until joe alien lands his intergalactic behind on my couch and says g'day, hi or even zerblatt...whatever...

However, if they touch my pepsi, it'll mean war!

[Faulkner]

Rogerday, I simply can't be bothered downloading a 70MB (let alone 220MB!!&#33 movie file.

How about giving us a rundown on the results of this press conference?

Is the CIA communicating with ETs? Or are they in fact BUILDING the bloody UFOs?? Or is the CIA actually an extra-terrestrial organization???

Was Bob Lazar in attendance???

HA HA HA!!!!

[damienpaul]

Is the CIA communicating with ETs? Or are they in fact BUILDING the bloody UFOs?? Or is the CIA actually an extra-terrestrial organization???

I'd be inclined to say all three, but the building of the UFO's are shared with McDonalds - McUFO's

Was Bob Lazar in attendance???

Who the blazing Zues' boxer shorts is Bob Lazar?

Give me evidence? Gimme gimme gimme

[Mettalica1]

I beleive that there is life beside us but that is very interesting

[Nick4]

Originally posted by rogerday@Mar 7 2004, 02:03 AM
Greetings

I have been researching UFO's / ET's and would like to inform of Disclosureproject.

Campaign for Disclosure Witnesses Panel

National Press Club Washington, DC


Originally Broadcast Live on Wednesday, May 9, 2001

On Wednesday, May 9th, over twenty military, intelligence, government, corporate and scientific witnesses came forward at the National Press Club in Washington, DC to establish the reality of UFOs or extraterrestrial vehicles, extraterrestrial life forms, and resulting advanced energy and propulsion technologies. The weight of this first-hand testimony, along with supporting government documentation and other evidence, will establish without any doubt the reality of these phenomena, according to Dr. Steven M. Greer, director of the Disclosure Project which hosted the event.

to view the event go to http://www.disclosureproject.org/npcwebcast.htm


Roger Day

E.T.A

Thats interesting do you do that for a living, it sounds like a cool job i have a question for you have you ever personoly seen an alien or a flying saucer? If not do you belive in alians?

[Sp1ke]

It would be great if aliens were buzzing around the solar system. It would be a mind-blowing idea if we *knew* there were other intelligent beings out there.

_But_ I can't believe aliens would sneak around abducting individuals in deserted areas and lurking just out of shot so that we could take blurred photos of them. And if they're an advanced race, how can our generally incompetent governments manage to hide them so well?

[GOURDHEAD]

I believe sentient life capable of a least our level of technological development exists in many locations in the Milky Way galaxy; none of them, other than we, are here nor have they been; and we are not aware of having received their electromagnetic signals.

It is natural for planets to form around stars.

Elements and compounds necessary for carbon based life have been
observed throughout the MW.

It is as natural for these elements, where conditions permit, to start and
evolve life in such places as it is here.

Evolution will strongly bias life's development toward consciousness and
technology development as naturally as water running downhill.

For now non-carbon based life is not considered to be likely.

The fact that we exist "prooves" that the right elements have the right affinities for each other to support both the pre-biological and biological phases of evolution to produce critters capable of technology development.

[Sp1ke]

Gourdhead, How do you account for us not having heard from these other races?

Do you think they would only use electromagnetic emissions for a short time so they either haven't started yet or they finished and we missed it?

Or do none of them use detectable radiation for communication?

[Faulkner]

Originally posted by Sp1ke@Apr 8 2004, 12:38 AM
It would be great if aliens were buzzing around the solar system. It would be a mind-blowing idea if we *knew* there were other intelligent beings out there.

_But_ I can't believe aliens would sneak around abducting individuals in deserted areas and lurking just out of shot so that we could take blurred photos of them. And if they're an advanced race, how can our generally incompetent governments manage to hide them so well?

Well...I dunno...

But I DO know that the "physics" we're teaching in high schools today is more than a hundred years old (incl. quantum physics!!&#33.

"Stealth" technology was kept under wraps for decades. The SR-71 spy-plane was unheard of 'til a decade or 2 after it was invented.

Atom bombs...radar...etc etc...

The government, however inept it is at managing people, seem to do a good job at keeping military secrets.

I half-agree about your statement about UFOs, Sp1ke. All we tend to see are silly "fuzzy" photos! But if I saw a full-fledged FLYING F###**G SAUCER in the sky, and I didn't have my camera on me, well then I'd just be another fruitloop crackpot attention-grubbing schizo, wouldn't I?

But I wouldn't care. I'd know I was right, even if every single other human being on the planet told me otherwise! :P

We simply don't know what's out there, what may have visited the Earth in the past, or what may be surreptitiously visiting us now. Maybe nothing, maybe something. We don't know. To take a side here amounts to religious faith.

[GOURDHEAD]

Gourdhead, How do you account for us not having heard from these other races?

Obviously I don't know. Some reasons may be:

The MW is not old enough for enough techies to have developed near enough to us.

Their signals are not strong enough for us to detect or they are modulated in ways we have not thought of detecting.


Their history has taught them to be very very cautious about kicking over their version of Pandora's Box.

I believe that those who achieve interstellar travel are very hard to totally wipe out; either intentionally or unintentionally as will we be.

Many of them inaccurately assessed the benevolence of the universe and are no longer around.

There is a pressing urgency for us to continuously accelerate our technological development to ever increasing levels of galactic environment management. The Incas and the Aztecs allowed themselves to be diverted into cultural activities that led to their demise and we seem to be unwittingly following their example (i.e., the energy devoted to sports, rock concerts, churchism, templeism, mosqueism, etc.,).

The hazardness of our position in the universe is not unlike that of barnacles on the side of a ship that tides rub incessantly against the pier to which it is moored.

[Sp1ke]

How about we made spaceflight mandatory for everybody?

I think once you've been in space and seen how precarious life on earth is, compared with the vastness of space, it should give you a better perspective on how we should treat our home world. I get a similar feeling looking at the stars on a dark and clear night. I can't imagine anyone could view the earth from space without it making a huge impression on them.

[GOURDHEAD]

The real purpose for developing interstellar travel should be our survival not the endowment of the earth or any part thereof with more holy reverence. Having thus spoken it is still of high urgency to maintain the "health" of th e earth.

[Nick4]

Originally posted by Sp1ke@Apr 10 2004, 01:07 AM
How about we made spaceflight mandatory for everybody?

I think once you've been in space and seen how precarious life on earth is, compared with the vastness of space, it should give you a better perspective on how we should treat our home world. I get a similar feeling looking at the stars on a dark and clear night. I can't imagine anyone could view the earth from space without it making a huge impression on them.

I agree with you i think if every one went into space and seen our planet earth they would take it more sereously and keep it clean B) . Good statment. B)

[KeiZka]

Originally posted by GOURDHEAD@Apr 10 2004, 11:45 AM
The real purpose for developing interstellar travel should be our survival not the endowment of the earth or any part thereof with more holy reverence. Having thus spoken it is still of high urgency to maintain the "health" of th e earth.

agreed on gourdhead, surviving is most important part. It is sadly true, that comets and such things are always there, so humankind needs a b-plan. We can't simply stay here forever, because a ) we run out of minerals b ) we need ultimately more living space c ) before mentioned comets, asteroids etc. d ) if we're still alive when sun starts it's "bad" phase, we're toast. no reminder whatsoever of us left to other races to recognise

[Nick4]

I heard about this one story on the history chanal about ufo's thay sade that thay have had many sightings around military bases like the one story about a sighting over a top secret military base they sent up 4 or 5 F-16 fighter jets to take it down cuz they dident know what it was so they went up and started chasing this craft and it ceped dodging the jets it could go faster that the jets and stop incredably fast like on a dime after going about 2-3 times the speed of sound. This was one of the first shows ive seen about ufo's and it has helped me belive in them i think that we are not alowne in our unevers thare is others.

[Sp1ke]

The real purpose for developing interstellar travel should be our survival*

Is survival really the only thing we should aim for? What about quality of life? Or intellectual and moral improvement?

I think it is short sighted just to develop interstellar travel so that we've got somewhere to go when we've used up everything close by. But, with my realistic head on, I guess the need for survival can justify a budget for space exploration when higher aims can't. Doesn't mean the latter can't be included in the plans though.

[om@umr.edu]

Originally posted by Sp1ke@Apr 13 2004, 08:59 AM
Is survival really the only thing we should aim for? What about quality of life? Or intellectual and moral improvement?

I think it is short sighted just to develop interstellar travel so that we've got somewhere to go when we've used up everything close by. But, with my realistic head on, I guess the need for survival can justify a budget for space exploration when higher aims can't. Doesn't mean the latter can't be included in the plans though.

Amen, Sp1ke.

The drive for survival is self-centered.

Self-centeredness may not be the path to a happy, fulfilling life.

E.g., see the prayer of St. Francis of Assisi.

With kind regards,

Oliver
http://www.umr.edu/~om

[KeiZka]

I agree: i'm bit unenthusiastic about thing on earth. With things going like this, we'll end up drowning in our garbage (unless we start dumping them on Moon ) as Western countries produce, don't remember how much, but much garbage per individual. If AND when 3rd world countries acquire same standard of living as countries in west (aka 1st world countries), the amount of daily garbage will be huge. Since when have all humans in one nation cared for nature? Never, or at least it seems so. Ecologist, even though they're usually minority of people in nation, get sometimes some good done.

About that survival part: first survival, then quality of life and intellectualism. I've set survival on highest priority when speaking of space exploration in my mind.

Cheers all, KeiZka (aka KeZi)

[GOURDHEAD]

The drive for survival is self-centered.

Self-centeredness may not be the path to a happy, fulfilling life.

E.g., see the prayer of St. Francis of Assisi.

Well put! Survival comes in several flavors. The one I advocate is not at odds with St. Francis nor with the Sermon on the Mount. Physical survival is the base of pyramid and a very essential element in its realization. The system that allows us to travel to other stellar systems also allows us to deposit garbage of all sorts into the sun for its complete recycling and/or supplies the energy to recycle it and all environmental hazards here on earth and raises our subsistence level sufficiently to be a catalyst for loving our neighbor as ourselves!!! Indeed, we can love ourselves and our neighbors in ever more fullfiling ways.

[damienpaul]

Are you referring to Maslow's Heirachy of Needs, Gourdhead? as yes, I can see where you and Dr. M are coming from. The feeling of not being alone may be good for our self-actualisation (the top of Maslow's pyramid).

[Prime]

This weekend;

http://www.paradigmclock.com/X-Conference/.../conference.htm

Prime

[GOURDHEAD]

The feeling of not being alone may be good for our self-actualisation (the top of Maslow's pyramid).

I'm not sure that "feeling we're not alone" should have any bearing on our self actualization. Even if it does, we must overcome such illness. The point I'm trying to make is that physical survival is basic to the higher aspects of survival and to "having life fully".

[spacedust]

I doubt that we will ever find humanoid type life within our own little planetary solar system but the universe is so infinitely large that I cannot imagine that there is NOT intelligent life SOMEwhere out there in the gazillions of other galaxies. I just dont think that we will ever develop the technology to be able to send travelers to these other galaxies - certainly not in our own lifetimes, anyway, and probably never. I have always been intrigued by the thought of alien life and also by the thought of ghosts and the paranormal in general. (Hmmmm...having lumped the three of those together...) But I've also said that I would be less frightened to meet an alien who is "just" from another planet than a ghost, who is a "dead" person. Thinking further about it, I dont know though- the intelligence and potential capabilities of an alien able to visit our planet may far outweigh the fright caused by a mere dead spirit. Ruminations, anyone?

[Sp1ke]

I think the main difference between alien life and ghosts is that life has evolved on earth therefore there is a good reason to assume it could also evolve on another planet under the same conditions. Whereas as far as I know there is no concrete evidence of life after death and no good scientific theories as to how ghosts could exist.

Personally, I'm wildly optimistic and would love to meet an alien. This being on the assumption that they would be equally pleased to meet us, and not simply ravenous alien carnivores, intent on eating our internal organs.

[spacedust]

Spike,
Good point. But surely there are as many claims of ghost sightings as there are of alien sightings. Anyone here have their own story about seeing an alien or a UFO? What about a ghost? If so, I think it would be interesting to hear.

[Sp1ke]

If you're talking about sightings of aliens and ghosts, then I'm equally skeptical about both. But if you're talking about the justification for believing that aliens exist somewhere in the universe vs. believing that ghosts exist on earth, then I'd favour the former.

The problem that always baffles me about ghosts is that they can walk around so they must weigh a normal amount (you can't walk if you're weightless). But if they can walk through walls then why don't they fall through the floor?

:huh:

[r53lang]

You're right - belief in there being beings visiting is IS quasi religious.

I go for the "show me" viewpoint. Let's see that damn alien, and not as defined by the INS. There's no doubt in my mind as to the inevitability of life, however cosmic distances and lightspeed doom us to perpetual alienation.


Fuzzy pix of semi identifiable ET's are about the same thing as sasquatch proof - great if you believe, otherwise pretty sketchy. Let's introduce habeus corpus to the issue - wonder if that could be used as a legal technique to end the ** about Roswell, etc. If interstellar vehicles ever show up here, no doubt we'd all get a view of them.

No - let me see your alien on the Today Show. Then I buy it

[gooodcop]

I have a comment on UFOs.

I saw one over 10 years ago. My cousin with 2 friends, saw 3 in formation. Same place, over NYC and upper NY. My cousin, is an official MENSA member. My brother and a friend, saw one in NYC as well, in daytime. SO did a lot of people the day he saw his (see the same one at the same time). NYC is a big city full of people, nothing is seen by one person only.

Cousin's dad in law was a retired Navy bigwhig. He was not interested in hearing about it. He didnt show the least surprise, disbelief, or interest.

Stupid as it sounds, I called one of those numbers provided on the "mysteries" shows asking for calls from people who had seen one, and this is what happened:
They wanted to know WHEN I saw it. (a few years before). They hung up. I called back, and got someone answering saying "acme trucking". I inferred from that, that it was a govt number, & they only wanted calls about ones NOW PRESENT, to catch them. Didnt care a hoot about evidence they exist -- because, they already know that.

We figured out:
The reason for stigmatizing people who see them (and yes, they do stop on a dime, can change direction in an instant, and travel in all ways, not horizontal)...is that they are spy craft. Perhaps, a nuclear powered, silent hovercraft. Designed to fly UNDER radar, and avoid tall buildings when needed. So...we shut the people up from talking about the spycraft, by stigmatizing them, although thousands of people have seen them (my husband saw one as well years ago different part of the country). They also make no noise at all, mine was seen at night, and I thought for a moment it was a helicopter, because it was like a light. My cousin saw his during the day so cant say about the light. However, helicopters cannot fly like this thing flew. When you take a flashlight in the dark and swing it rapidly (like a sparkler on the fourth of july in a circle?) back and forth, thats how this thing moved. It went between 2 points left right, as fast as you can imagine, like a trail of light, then stopped, then went up real fast vertically and again stopped, and took off so fast I couldnt tell which way it had left.

The reason why UFO is so absurd a term to me, is : if it flies, and people have seen it, WHY does it have to be assumed from "outer space"?? DUHHHH, we have flying machines now, remember?