Time travel

[Matthew]

Maybe you can't.

[Haglund]

If you go back in time and cannot change anything, are you really there?

Good question, and my answer is "no".

Another way the time travel paradox could be overcome is if everytime something travels backward through time it goes into a different universe, one exactly the same to the one they have come from but the future isn't known (because the future hasn't existed yet, because your in a different universe). So the future of this universe changes depending on what you do.

I've read something about that. Maybe there would be an infinite number of universe almost like ours, but when you change history you really only go to another universe where the history is the way you changed it. In your own universe things would be the same (or would they? would you not be gone from that universe?) Interesting speculations.

[Matthew]

I've read something about that. Maybe there would be an infinite number of universe almost like ours, but when you change history you really only go to another universe where the history is the way you changed it. In your own universe things would be the same (or would they? would you not be gone from that universe?) Interesting speculations.

I think that you, your matter, your energy, would leave our current universe and go to this new time you are going to. You would essentially cease to exist in you 'home' space-time universe and be totally in your newer universe. Your universe would essentially be the same, just one without a 'you'.

Well thats what I believe.

[rahuldandekar]

Talking about parrallel universes, isn't it possible that there may exist a universe in which the probablity of a certain person appearing from another universe is high? :unsure:
So, the person will invariably end up in that universe when he time travels.

[Matthew]

Possible, but all the theories we have come up with would probably be all wrong because in truth we have no idea about time travel at all. We can create our paradoxes, we can create answers to get around those paradoxes but which answer is real. Is time travel real?

[TwAgIssmuDe]

Maybe you are right matthew, we have only been creating more questions than answers about time travel. We always end up where we started, time travel may not be possible at all in reality.

[imported_ROB]

I was under the illusion that light was as fast as anything travels, and that time is measured by how long light takes to go between two points...

if that is true then time travel would only be possible in one direction to the past. because if you wanted to go forward in to the future or back to your presant then you would have to travel faster than time therefore faster than light .... but

I was under the illusion that light was as fast as anything travels, and that time is measured by how long light takes to go between two points...

or am i way off the truth?

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[Matthew]

Rob, I've never thought of it like that, but you would actually be moving into a different time (and maybe place) if you time traveled. How would you travel with time travel? Light travels between two distances, it travels through time, but only in its present, it is never in the future never in the past. But time travel would be an attempt to go into the future or past.

Well thats how I see it.

[Arramon]

Dont forget you're talking about distance also...
On earth, we are too close to eachother to be able to move fast enough to travel the opposite direction inwhich the electro magnetic sources are... in effect, moving to a place before that light gets there.
How could we travel through Time when Time is a constant. It doesn't stop, doesn't evolve (at least of what we know), doesn't alter course, and isn't effected by any elemens that we know. To an individual, Time may seem to take awhile during a long day, or may go by fast when you're having fun. Relative to the individual.
But, to be able to travel through Time, this may not be possible. Because Time is an intangible thing. A name we gave the evolution of matter & space as it "progresses".
Can we stop this progression and still remain alive?
Can this progression be reversed? How does something progress backwards without taking away from what it progressed to?
What if the Universe decided to rotate opposite of its current spin?
(and that's assuming the Universe resembles a galaxy anywayz...)

People sometimes speak of the train and ball scenario...
But, this makes no sense when the applications for trying to travel Time seem to reside around the area of being improbable. What would be the target to travel to? Could we actually create a slipstream through the fabric of progression and move through it, to a place that once existed, but has evolved to another state of activity.
Superman flying around the Earth so fast that it stops its rotation and starts going the other way, reversing Time, saving Louis, and the world from harm.. yea!! =/ um..yeah.
Not only would that probably kill us, becaus of the changes on the magnetic fields and the alignment we have with the Moon, plus a tone of other catastrophes, but, it might also cause a rift in the plates below that could allow magma to spew forth... yes.. let us rip ourselves apart.
Okay.. that was just a movie. But, still... Moving faster than light may not be what we need.
Exchanging our forms for another might be needed. Becoming a state that is both flexible and durable against the aging of Time and the progression of it towards a further state. If we could study the existence of this progression from a state that does not progress, I guess is what I mean.

=/-~ hmmm....

Its hard enough to guess the outcome of me waking up in the morning.
=P

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[Planetwatcher]

What about astro-projection?

I don't think physical time travel for a human is possible. At best perhaps some means of observing other time frames without the means of interfearing, and even then one can interfear if they look into the future and modify their own future.

[Matthew]

I don't think thats possible. It could be, its just that I don't think it can be. I think its been covered further up in this post as well.

[trekgoddess]

Time is aomething like God. A bunch of people believe sincerly in it without question simply, because the thought has been around so long. They possibly are what we think they are, but most likely not. For something that has been around so much longer than us, and will be around for as much if not more time after we have passed. For our history is just a day in the big scheme of things, maybe not even more than a minute. These short years of science have allowed us to experienced nothing in the great plan of the universe. IF only we could be given all the knowledge we want? oh, but what would be the fun in that?

[Matthew]

Being given all the knowledge you could ask for would be nice, but at the same time it could be horrifying. There may be things in this universe that we humans are not yet capable to deal with...

[lordchronos]

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[itsmebaby76]

Originally posted by ScottPithan@Jul 18 2003, 04:27 PM
Here's a new prospective. Perhaps time in the past does not exist any more. Most people treat the past like its a place that you can visit, kinda like a past memory. But, perhaps time in one dimentional, it just is in the present and moves on, kinda like in the movie "the langaliers" by Steve King. :blink:

I totally agree with this...
I don't think of time as a "thing." I don't think anything or anyone will ever be able to "escape" the present and jump back into a past.

Once it's there, it's gone.

[Matthew]

Further up in this post I said:

I think that you, your matter, your energy, would leave our current universe and go to this new time you are going to. You would essentially cease to exist in you 'home' space-time universe and be totally in your newer universe. Your universe would essentially be the same, just one without a 'you'.

Well maybe thats wrong, maybe every attempt to 'time travel' has been succesful, its just that a copy of your matter goes into the new universe. So the 'original' you would think that time travel doesn't exist/doesn't work, while the 'new' you knows that you succesfully time travelled.

[Gerald Lukaniuk]

A disturbing corollary arises out of the scientists have strong evidence that they have sent a photon and therefore a simple communication a minuscule distance “back in time”. When applied to the dilemma ‘If time travel is possible then why aren’t we being visited by an ever increasing number of “beings” claiming to be from our future or even some type of communication from them.. The implication is being that because: we are not-=>it is not. The new evidence if it in fact proves that time travel is possible this opens up the other side of the dilemma to various other possibilities –so of them disturbing, some grand. The worst is that beings from are future are not communicating because they (or we) will never develop the technology. Since we are seemingly making progress toward developing the technology this implies that something of a permanent event and/or re-occurring events will always prevent this from happening. At the rate at which our progress seems to be accelerating it seems likely that we should be capable of time travel in less those 50 yrs but will be prevented by an “event” perhaps and most likely of a permanent nature. Although this “event” is concurrent with our attempts at time travel the logic does not necessarily follow that is it will be our attempts that cause the “event”. Indeed if time travel could say; unravel the universe then the above mentioned experiment would have already destroyed us. Optimistically it is also not implied that it will be a tragic event but may be something glorious that overrides or urge to time travel for the rest of the existence of life on this planet.

[Matthew]

If 'events' occured just before a race discovered how to time travel then something must control these events. That would mean there would be a supreme being.

[biruk]

the possibility of time travel is as to my knowledge not completely
out of the ring..i mean still scientists argue on the topic ...but what
they agree upon is it is not possible for the time traveller to change the
past ...like killing his mother ...etc all sorts of crazy things ..
because the laws of physics assure the impossibilty of changing the
past................read IGOR NOVIKOV'S ..the RIVER OF TIME...bye
Biruk from Ethiopia

[imported_Draco]

Time travel not possible.
We create our futures by living in the present, there isn't a future ahead to travel into, if there was, 1 000 000 years into the future, we'd exceed type III civilisation as that guy mentioned about civilisations how long they take to advance.
You could travel in the past, coz you could go back to a future that is already there.

But think about this, what if there is an advanced future, and time travel is possible, what if somebody traveled back to the dawn of time and changed something? Would we know about the change? Would we see the world change in front of our eyes? Was there more history to this world than we thought? A civilisation better than the Egyptians? Somebody could have changed all of that to fit his or her's desires?
Just think about that Is it possible?

[peterhuybregts]

Time travelling has two sides

1 to the future
2 to the past

in the first everybody will be
in the second eveybody has been

Where everybody will be is easy to go to but you won't meet anyone and you will have to stay away from where you will be when everybody, wich includes you will be there.
Where everybody has been you have been to wich has led to who you are wich you cannot change, so you would have to deny yourself first.

Now going to the future :

let's say 2 weeks from now.

You step into a dimention wich takes you to a place in space where the earth will be on that date, you can remain there and learn about everything that is already decide to happen, but you must return before the world reaces it's place of keep moving ahead from it. I have experienced a simular thing where I went to 15 januari at new year's day, and to my knowledge was very suprised when someone much later told me that it was 15 januari, because I thought that had happened.
In this I Had the 'luck' to not leave the room I was in all over that time ( I left is in the end of februari)

Crazy? I even did a test : I synchronised my clock with a clock on the street before nightfall & didn't look at both during the night in wich I stayed awake.
Then when my clock said twelf a clock (at day) I went to check the clock in the street & it said eleven 'o clock in the morning. To make sure it was not my batteries I synchronized the clocks again, and after another twenty-four hours they were still synchronised.

I cannot entirely explain this, all I know was that I knew what I was doing & had the feeling that dimentions shifted through my room that time.

Another thing : in no more than 6 weeks I was able to grow a full beard twice.....
(normally one takes me about 6 weeks) & when I left my room after 2 or three monts (!!!!I was studieing) I felt as if I had been away for a year or something....

I only took this study to see if some of my theories about life, Universe, space & future were true, but in the end I learned far far far more than I could have ever expected, and some I'm still beginning to understand (after six years)

I can tell you this : There is a place that, if you stay there, totally takes care for you, I had :
1 no hunger
2 no thirst
3 no sense of sleep
4 a full sense of the planetairian life (mostly at night)
5 A full vision of life living inside the Universe

Now I only know the dates & events that will happen to make this known.


Peter Pan
peterhuybregts@hotmail.com

[Josh]

Peter Pan ... when you went from New Years day to the 15th of January ... is there any chance that you just had a really big new years and got really drunk and only woke up 2 weeks later?

[Brian Sand]

If you succeed in killing grandma, maybe she already had a child? Maybe you didn't go far back enough in time? Maybe your parent was adopted? Maybe you killed somebody elses grandma by mistake? Maybe she didn't die and you just thought she did?

We talk about these things like we know. Even scientists aren't so brave as to make absolute claims. Very few things in this field have been tested. Even those haven't been tested anywhere close to a black hole.

[Matthew]

I can tell you this : There is a place that, if you stay there, totally takes care for you, I had :
1 no hunger
2 no thirst
3 no sense of sleep
4 a full sense of the planetairian life (mostly at night)
5 A full vision of life living inside the Universe

If you had a full vision of life in the universe, where are they? Or are we the only ones in the universe?

[Planetwatcher]

Boy, would Michael J. Fox like this string. Back to the Future. h34r:

[imported_Draco]

Yes Back to the Future! I love those movies!

[hagg3rty]

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[God]

Time travel is impossible at your stage of development. You'd have to be me, and there can only be one me, and that's me, not you.

[rahuldandekar]

Time travel into the future raises the question of determinism.
According to Quantum theory, the future cannot be exactly predicted.It is just a statistical statement listing the probablities that all the futures will happen.But if we travel into the future, which one will we travel to? If you say " the most probable one, of course" , what is the gaurantee that our future is the most probable one?
Isn't this a violation of the laws?

[hagg3rty]

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