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    The Soviets knew we went...

    NASA historian and sometimes-BABB-poster Jim Oberg sent out a notice of a translation of a Russian article about the Soviet tracking of the Apollo missions. The original article (linked below) is copyrighted, but the translation has been approved for distribution. I reproduce it here, with some untranslatable characters and grammar oddities as well. The Bottom line: the Soviets had no problems understanding that Americans went to the Moon. If only Americans had no problems...

    Quote Originally Posted by Novosti Kosmonavtiki

    http://www.novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/c...s/271/03.shtml

    Translated: We "saw", As Americans Sat down on the Moon...
    E.Molotov specially For " News of astronautics "

    Whether clause(article) of the participant of events of 30-years prescription of E.P.Molotova offered(suggested) to readers throws light on unknown pages of " lunar race " and finally closes a ridiculous question " there Were Americans on the Moon? "

    Has passed more than 30 years since as the most expensive race between S-U and the U-S-A for superiority(championship) in landing the person to the Moon has been developed(unwrapped). Who has won this race of prestige - it is known. Many events have taken place for this time...

    Process of competition was repeatedly described both American, and the Russian party(side). It is represented to us interesting to tell about one of it(him) of earlier not shined(covered) episodes.

    Programs of preparation of landing of the person on the Moon in the USSR (flight У*-500 - Л-1, landing (planting) ?-1 - Л-3) and in the USA ("Apollo") were conducted in parallel, and super-iority (championship) had powerful political value. The Soviet management (manual) paid the big attention to a state of affairs with realization of the lunar program both in S-U, and in America. For the objective control over performance of the American program the secretary of the Central Committee of the CPSU D.F.Ustinov supervising the defensive industry of the country, at the end of 1967 has entrusted main designer *?ИИ КП (at that time SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH INSTITUTE - 885) M.S.Rjazanskomu to develop a special control radio engineering complex with which help it would be possible to accept signals from the American spacecrafts of the program "Apollo", making flight of the Moon and landing(planting) to its(her) surface.

    M.S.Rjazansky at that time was responsible for creation of onboard and ground radio engineering control facilities by spacecrafts of the Soviet lunar program. Under his(its) management(manual) for management Soviet пилотируемыми and automatic spacecrafts for research of the Moon the Ground complex of management including two control centres by flight, six ground and three ship items(points) of the management, equipped with corresponding stations of tracking and located on territory of Soviet Union and in the certain points of World ocean has been created. However these means could not be used for reception of the information from the ships "Apollo" as they worked in the other frequency range with the signals having other structure. Therefore it was necessary to create the special control complex, capable to provide reception of the data from "Apollos". It was supposed to accept from the American spacecrafts not only telephone (voice) and telemetering, but also the television information.

    Has been solved to include in a control complex aerial TNA-400 with diameter of a mirror 32 m which was placed in Crimea, near to Simferopol (fig. 1). She(it) was used as the reception aerial of a radio engineering complex "Saturn - МС" providing management by the Soviet automatic space vehicles for research of the Moon later: "Moon rovers", devices for delivery of a lunar ground to the Earth, and also lunar satellites.

    For work in structure of a control complex aerial TNA-400 has been equipped малошум?щим with the reception device working in a range of 13 sm (range S in which transmitters of lunar modules of the program "Apollo" worked). Besides in structure of a complex have come: the demodulator of a group signal transmitted on bearing(carrying) frequency and the signals trans-mitted on подне?ущих frequencies, the equipment of allocation of the voice, telemetering and television information, and also the equipment of display and management of a complex (fig. 2).

    The control complex created in short terms *?ИИ КП in cooperation with the several industrial enterprises, was ready to reception of signals from s/crafts of the program "Apollo" in Nov 1968.

    To trace the ships at their flight on orbits around of the Moon and at landing(planting) to its(her) surface, it was necessary to have the ballistic data of these orbits for calculation целеуказаний to the aerial. However such data were not published by Americans. Therefore the data on orbits of flight were calculated by ballistics on the basis of time of start and arrival to the Moon of the ships "Apollo" which informed by the American radio. On these data paid off целеуказани? for prompting the aerial which were specified on signals accepted by a control complex from the lunar ships.

    Such approach to calculation целеуказаний has allowed to accept reliably enough signals from "Apollos". The problem(task) of search of signals was facilitated by that the diagram of an orientation of the aerial covered practically half of disk of the Moon.

    Tracking was conducted behind spacecrafts of expeditions(dispatches) "Apollo - 8", "Apollo - 10", "Apollo - 11" and "Apollo - 12" from December, 1968 till November, 1969.

    From all these ships telephone conversations of astronauts with the Earth and the telemetering information on a condition of onboard systems were accepted with high quality. The accepted television signal had poor quality because of an insufficient level of an energy potential of a radioline on the basis of the 32-meter aerial.

    It is necessary to note, that the American network of tracking and management provided practically round-the-clock communication(connection) with spacecrafts "Apollo" while the Soviet control complex could accept signals only in that part of the visibility range which on time coincided with a visibility range of the Madrid station of tracking.

    Lunar expedition(dispatch) under F.Bormana's management(manual) on a spacecraft "Apollo - 8" in December, 1968 has carried out the first пилотируемый flight to the Moon, has made 10 coils around of it (her) and, having come back to the Earth with the second space speed, has made soft landing (planting) at ocean.

    This flight has formed the basis for a stop of works on the first stage of Soviet program Л-1 though all technics (technical equipment) and crews to пилотируемому to flight of the Moon by then were ready.

    Flight of crew "Apollo - 11" with an output (exit) on a surface of the Moon on July, 20, 1969. N.Armstrong and E.Oldrina has finally stopped competition on landing the person to the Moon.

    On fig. 3 photos of spectra of the signals accepted by control station from spacecrafts "Apollo", made with the screen of the videocontrol device are submitted. On fig. 4 the image of rising of the Earth above the lunar horizon, accepted on a telechannel from one of the ships "Apollo" is shown.

    As is known, after that Soviet Union has directed the efforts to research of the Moon by automatic space vehicles therefore impressing results have been received.

    In summary we shall note, that data on creation and functioning of the Soviet special control radio engineering complex were not published earlier.

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    Re: The Soviets knew we went...

    Why am I seeing weird characters in the inline quote? Is it just me?

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    It is very sad. They could only sit and watch.

    Had Korolov and Glushko not fought like cats and dogs--we might have seen two landings with hours of each other--a real space race.

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    This sounds familiar!

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    Re: The Soviets knew we went...

    Quote Originally Posted by SiriMurthy
    Why am I seeing weird characters in the inline quote? Is it just me?
    no; the BA did tell us that there were some untranslated/untranslateable characters. now, I don't know about you, but I don't have a Cyrillic font in my browser, so it shows up as other, nonsense characters.

    [edited to appease Nicolas and any Russians who might've taken offense at what was really a minor but serious error on my part.]
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    "Now everyone was giving her that kind of look UFOlogists get when they suddenly say, 'Hey, if you shade your eyes you can see it is just a flock of geese after all.'"

    "You can't erase icing."

    "I can't believe it doesn't work! I found it on the internet, man!"

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    BA,

    Obviously Jim Oberg didn't read the New Moon Hoax Book From Russia which says that the Russians were in on the US hoaxing.

    Maybe someone should forward this to Bart and Rene.

    You should add this to your moon hoax page.

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    And why would the Soviets in '69 want to lend proof to an American cover up? Why would they not want to expose it?

    A buddy and I like to think like conspiracy theorists because it's fun. Here's what I'd have to say to debunk the Soviet documents.

    ...(Thinking)...
    ...(Elapsed Time: 61 seconds)...
    ...(Done!)...

    All I can figure is that the note must not be authenic. It's date can be called into question. I'm sure that some American diplomat got some post-coldwar Russian diplomat to agree to slip this into a locked Russian file cabinet in exchange for the raising of the Kursk and staying hush-hush about the corpse of Bigfoot found in the captain's bunk.

    (NOT SERIOUS!)


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    Re: The Soviets knew we went...

    Quote Originally Posted by Gillianren
    Quote Originally Posted by SiriMurthy
    Why am I seeing weird characters in the inline quote? Is it just me?
    no; the BA did tell us that there were some untranslated/untranslateable characters. now, I don't know about you, but I don't have a Cyrillic font in my browser, so it shows up as other nonsense characters.
    That sounds rather patronizing towards Russia! :wink:

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    Re: The Soviets knew we went...

    Quote Originally Posted by Nicolas
    Quote Originally Posted by Gillianren
    Quote Originally Posted by SiriMurthy
    Why am I seeing weird characters in the inline quote? Is it just me?
    no; the BA did tell us that there were some untranslated/untranslateable characters. now, I don't know about you, but I don't have a Cyrillic font in my browser, so it shows up as other nonsense characters.
    That sounds rather patronizing towards Russia! :wink:
    you're right; I needed a comma, as in "other, nonsense characters."
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    Gillian

    "Now everyone was giving her that kind of look UFOlogists get when they suddenly say, 'Hey, if you shade your eyes you can see it is just a flock of geese after all.'"

    "You can't erase icing."

    "I can't believe it doesn't work! I found it on the internet, man!"

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    I do have a Cyrillic font in my browser, and it still shows up as rubbish...

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    Ah, OK. As NGC3314 points out, another thread is already open about this. I'll lock this one then.

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