Order of Kilopi
August 3, 2005
"...I made this [5,500 mile] trip," says Ramey, "to prove that butanol works as a fuel, to get people's attention. You can just pour this stuff into your car and drive."...A molecule of ethanol is composed of two carbon atoms, six hydrogen atoms and an atom of oxygen. Butanol boasts twice as many carbon atoms, 10 hydrogen atoms and an oxygen atom..."
Order of Kilopi
A gallon of butanol contains 104,500. A gallon of gasoline contains 115,000 BTUs.Really?With gas, my Buick gets about 18 miles per gallon. With butanol, we're getting 25 or 26.
Honored Member
When I saw the Subject of this thread and the OP author, I thought it was going to be about butanol being another wonderful dietary supplement! Specifically, I though it might be recommended to help eliminate the "blues". :wink:Originally Posted by sarongsong
Order of Kilopi
Good catch, Musashi =D>
Mileage seems to vary:
"...050710...Over 1,800 miles to date and no problems gets 20-22 miles per gallon and we are headed for California on Thursday July 14th..."
Butyl Dude's blog
Order of Kilopi
I am not a chemist, so even though I can imagine how Butanol, with its lower BTUs could get better milage, I can not substantiate the opinion. I am guessing that it burns more completely. I wonder if it was production butanol, for cars, if it would need additives that might gimp the milage. I wonder if additives are the reason gasoline might get worse milage. I also wonder if the cost ($3.50 ish?/gallon) would go up or down if people were using it to fuel their cars. I wonder if it is ok to run your car on butanol without any modifications, for the long run. It is interesting to me though. Oh, and what do the emissions look like?
Order of Kilopi
"...We passed the California Smog Emissions test [printout] with flying colors with very low hydrocarbons. The new requirement is 45 ppm and we are generally less than ten and really 5-6 ppm..."
And just for Maksutov...selenium is my current supplement-of-choice
Honored Member
Better stay out of the sunlight then. You might find it a shocking experience! :wink:[edit]And just for Maksutov...selenium is my current supplement-of-choice
Order of Kilopi
Thanks, I'll keep an eye on the ammeter.
Oh, and most currently, Guitar Shorty is keeping the blues at bay 8)
Order of Kilopi
Try Brother Yusef, he even plays a lot out here.
Order of Kilopi
I guess!
Sounds pretty good; will keep an eye out if he comes 'further south'.
Established Member
Sarongsong, have you quit the CS ingestion?
Why do you think you need additional selenium?
From tbe NIH Dietary Supplement Shet for Selenium
http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/selenium.asp
Human selenium deficiency is rare in the U.S. but is seen in other countries, most notably China, where soil concentration of selenium is low.I assume that you do not suffer from the common aflictions related to low selenium intake:Selenium also can be found in some meats and seafood. Animals that eat grains or plants that were grown in selenium-rich soil have higher levels of selenium in their muscle. In the U.S., meats and bread are common sources of dietary selenium [9,10]. Some nuts are also sources of selenium.
I doubt that you fit these categories:Three specific diseases have been associated with selenium deficiency:
Keshan Disease, which results in an enlarged heart and poor heart function, occurs in selenium deficient children.
Kashin-Beck Disease, which results in osteoarthropathy
Myxedematous Endemic Cretinism, which results in mental retardation
How much of the stuff do you take? In addition, do you have any idea of your selenium intake from your normal diet? Note the level below:Who may need supplemental selenium?
In the U.S., most cases of selenium depletion or deficiency are associated with severe gastrointestinal problems, such as Crohn's disease, or with surgical removal of part of the stomach. These and other gastrointestinal disorders can impair selenium absorption [24-26]. People with acute severe illness who develop inflammation and widespread infection often have decreased levels of selenium in their blood [27]. Physicians will evaluate individuals who have gastrointestinal disease or severe infection for depleted blood levels of selenium to determine the need for supplementation.
You do need to know what you're doing here! Take care.The Institute of Medicine of the National Academy of Sciences has set a tolerable upper intake level (UL) for selenium at 400 micrograms per day for adults to prevent the risk of developing selenosis.
Symptoms of selenosis include gastrointestinal upsets, hair loss, white blotchy nails, garlic breath odor, fatigue, irritability, and mild nerve damage.
Order of Kilopi
Oh, no; just expanding my horizon, so to speak.Cheap insurance; from what I've read, it slows down some of the aging processes and tissue-hardening that occurs thru oxidation, and helps build the enzyme, glutathione peroxidase---a powerful antioxidant.Why do you think you need additional selenium?There's also a 'stroke-belt' that runs thru the Carolinas and parts of Georgia, where selenium soil content is low.Human selenium deficiency is rare in the U.S. but is seen in other countries, most notably China, where soil concentration of selenium is low.Correct.I assume that you do not suffer from the common aflictions related to low selenium intakeI suppose that's up for debate...Myxedematous Endemic Cretinism, which results in mental retardation
200 mcg./day for almost 2 months now.How much of the stuff do you take?No, but I'm confident it's not enough.do you have any idea of your selenium intake from your normal diet?Note the level below:Sounds a bit high.The Institute of Medicine of the National Academy of Sciences has set a tolerable upper intake level (UL) for selenium at 400 micrograms per day for adults to prevent the risk of developing selenosis.Yes, selenium in its natural state is highly poisonous, so taking too much in supplemental form is a definite no-no.Symptoms of selenosis include...I'm taking notes.You do need to know what you're doing here!
Established Member
Maybe you should try to gain a bit more knowledge of human physiology before doing so.
You want antioxidants? Try blueberries - they're not pills and don't carry a risk of toxicity. :roll:Cheap insurance; from what I've read, it slows down some of the aging processes and tissue-hardening that occurs thru oxidation, and helps build the enzyme, glutathione peroxidase---a powerful antioxidant.
Yes, actually, it is...Yes, selenium in its natural state is highly poisonous, so taking too much in supplemental form is a definite no-no.
Established Member
I like how they quote the price of butanol (~ 3.50 per gallon) as being not much different from gasoline (~ 2. 50 per gallon), and then go on to talk about how it can be derived from corn. I'm pretty sure that $3.50 butanol is not produced from corn. It's probably currently produced from petroleum.
Established Member
You know what is hilarious about the supposed "selenium" cure for the gray gums and blue skin of collodial/resonant/nanotechnological/any silver intake?
Selenium is used to redden glass, to make it less "green" - which (in my mind) might just be the same thing it does for collodial silver ingestors who suffer from argyria, rather than "removing" the bluish color...
Order of Kilopi
Perhaps you missed the label:Organic Blueberry (fruit) 38 mgEven more hilarious; there is no such 'cure', proposed or in effect. BTW, there is an additional...um-ah...'reason'...for males to ensure their Se intake is adequate. :wink:
Established Member
So, is the selenium you take NOT in it's natural form? What is it's form, prey tell?
Order of Kilopi
I think (therefore I'm wrong) 'natural state' refers to how it exists in nature---mine comes in tablet form, per the label referenced above; 30/US$9.00. Will be interesting to see what potency CODEX fills into the blank 'framework' they adopted last month in Rome for supplements, later on in November of this year.
Banned
Me thinks y'all are being too hard on sarongsong for her/his selenium consumption. While I agree that in most cases selenium deficiency is rare and doesn't require extra supplementation, 200 mcg/daily isn't going to cause harm unless you're getting a high dose from other sources.
When I used to smoke I had some people recommend selenium (may help prevent cancer they said) and recall after looking into it that the dosage would need to be higher than the 200 mcg/day sarongsong takes before adverse effects were a concern.
Established Member
Good point.
Still, it can help not to take every single supplement you hear about...
Banned
I agree. A healthy diet is the best option. There's some synthetic supplements that have the potential to do harm. Synthetic beta-carotene comes to mind (some recent studies actually suggests it bolsters the chance for lung cancer in current/recent smokers) and "regular" Vitamin A isn't to be overdone. Either is Vit D, B-6 and Niacin in large doses. High doses of E have been frowned upon lately (IIRC nowadays over 200 I.U./daily is not considered prudent)
Regarding selenium, there's no reason to go above 200 mcg without a doctor's orders and one has to bear in mind that many "fortified" food products also contain selenium .. as does most multi-vitamins. Those that feel the need to gulp 200-some mcg of selenium daily are advised to check how much selenium they get from other sources.
Once again, a common-sense diet is the best "supplement" to maintaining good health IMO. I don't use supplements myself outside of a daily multi-vitamin/mineral complex that I forget to take half the time.
Established Member
Sarongsong, in this case selenium is selenium. I don't think the term "natural" has any meaning here whatsoever.
The the daily intake level given on the NIH site is based on taking oral supplements. You are taking 1/2 the dose which is the max recommended, and you have NO idea what your intake through your normal adds to that.
You have simply assumed that your diet is low in selenium and that more is better for you. I think that you have ventured into an area about which you know very little, and are playing with fire. This is much more dangerous than then silver crap. You can live with blue skin, but some of the effects of high selenium levels are serious. If you persist in taking it, you would be very foolish not to have your blood levels tested to check your selenium burden.
Order of Kilopi
Right-o, Sammy---will let you know later this month after blood analysis results are in. (Even if I were a doctor, it would still be called 'practising', and I would have been taught virtually zilch about nutrition in med school.
Established Member
Glad to hear thast you're getting tested.
But -- that ol;d saw about MDs not getting trainned in nuitrition is, IMO, ** spread by the supplement industry and cranks in general.
I can't present an expert opinion. but I hope some of the folks here who are knowlegable RE medical education will provide some solid info.
PS RE your earlier post, NOTHING is happening in November in the U.S. concerning the Codex issue.
Order of Kilopi
Correct again..."in the U.S."---you do recall Congress passing CAFTA last week, right?
Established Member
Yes, and CAFA does NOT invoke Codex. There is a clause which for "international hamonisation." THAT is NOT the Codex.Correct again..."in the U.S."---you do recall Congress passing CAFTA last week, right?
Relax. You will still be able to waste your money and possibly endanger your health without fear of government intervention. In one sense, maybe that's how it should be -- it's your money and your body. Maybe my tax dollors will someday have to be used to pay your medical bills for selenium poisoning, but then they also go to victims of sking accidents, hang gliding crashes, and lung cancer victims who smoked all their lives.
Of course, all these things are more fun than popping supplement pills
Order of Kilopi
The potencies and 'upper limits' that will go into the blanks of the framework adopted by CODEX in July (Rome) will be filled in next November in Bonn, Germany by...the WTO. That 'little clause' you refer to, binds all signatories to whatever gets into those blanks. The upcoming Free Trade Agreement of the Americas, has a similar 'little clause'. That's how I see it, anyways---harmonization! #-o
Established Member
Yes-- FOR INTERNATIONAL TRADE BETWEEN THE SIGNATORIES -- NOT FOR DOMESTIC PRODUCTS MADE/SOLD/CONSUMEDIN THE U.S.
Order of Kilopi
Yes, I agree---at the present time.
Established Member
AND IN THE DISTANT FUTURE. The Congress has rejected implementing the Codex in the U.S. A change in this position (alas) is not likely. Too much profit in peddling crap without having to spend a cent on R&D and quality assurance.
Posting Permissions
Reply With Quote