# Thread: Is Shakespeare in pi?

1. ## Is Shakespeare in pi?

If pi is a non recurring decimal that goes on forever then is it should be true that any specific set of numbers say a 1000 digits long exists within the digits of the decimal that is pi?

If that were so then if you assign a number to all the letters in the alphabet and one for space(as in ASCII) then any set of letters should also exist within pi, take the works of Shakespeare they might exist within pi's infinitely long non-repeating decimal and maybe not just once, but 100's of times if not an infinite number of times.

Is this true? It would be a shock to the woo woos if they found that...Probably never hear the end of it even though it would be just a matter of maths not the supernatural.

2. Wow...

So if it is true, then it would also contain bible codes (or pi codes), accurate predictions of the future and the answers to the question of Life, the Universe and Everything.

And all this time I thought it just had to do with circles.

3. Oh dear, Frog march, did you think of this all by yourself? I'm impressed. =D>

4. ## Re: Is Shakespeare in pi?

I couldn't find Shakespeare, but I found Frog:

search string = "frog"
20-bit binary equivalent = 00110100100111100111

search string found at binary index = 3058406380

character pi : ::ld;ejxbjjqsevfrog__qtghgvs:iwgxyfmji
From Search the first four billion binary digits of Pi

Here's Hamlet:

search string = "hamlet"
30-bit binary equivalent = 010000000101101011000010110100

search string found at binary index = 3088420204

character pi : qxpah-,gapunp:zhamletzs,-ivopoxnwok-vo
That's a start. Four billion is just not enough. Fortunately, pi has much, much -- infintely -- more to offer.

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## Re: Is Shakespeare in pi?

Originally Posted by Frog march
If pi is a non recurring decimal that goes on forever then is it should be true that any specific set of numbers say a 1000 digits long exists within the digits of the decimal that is pi?
Just because it's a non recurring decimal?

6. ## Re: Is Shakespeare in pi?

Originally Posted by Disinfo Agent
Originally Posted by Frog march
If pi is a non recurring decimal that goes on forever then is it should be true that any specific set of numbers say a 1000 digits long exists within the digits of the decimal that is pi?
Just because it's a recurring decimal?
Here's one that doesn't contain Shakespeare's full works: 0.101001000100001...
yes, that occured to me while I was writing the question....

7. Pi-Search Result:

search string = "hamlet"
30-bit binary equivalent = 010000000101101011000010110100

search string found at binary index = 3088420204
binary pi : 11111010010000000101101011000010110100110101001111 10011011010011
binary string: 010000000101101011000010110100
character pi : qxpah-,gapunp:zhamletzs,-ivopoxnwok-vo
character string: hamlet

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35-bit binary equivalent = 00001011010000100100001011010110011

string does not occur in first 4 billion binary digits of pi
Looks like i'll have to dig deeper to find myself

9. ## Re: Is Shakespeare in pi?

Originally Posted by Frog march
Originally Posted by Disinfo Agent
Just because it's a non recurring decimal?
Here's one that doesn't contain Shakespeare's full works: 0.101001000100001...
yes, that occured to me while I was writing the question....
It's not just that it's non-recurring, but that it seems to be normal -- for instance, 7 appears in one tenth of the digits and 37 appears in 1/100 of digit pairs. Any run seems to be as likely as any other, and in the very long run everything might appear eventually.

I can't find that it's been proven normal, though.

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## Re: Is Shakespeare in pi?

Originally Posted by 01101001
I can't find that it's been proven normal, though.
It's still an open question.
Another interesting page.

P.S.: He, he, he...
22) Satan doesn't appear in Pi to[o] quick, the first time 666 appears is at position 2440.

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Isn't technology great? This is so much better than the old, expensive method of buying millions of typewriters and monkeys!

Less clean-up also =D>

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It's true Shakespeare never wrote a word of the works attributed to him. He found them all in pi. It's the most sensational story of our time, but there's more; it reaches into the highest levels.

I can't say more here, its not safe!! 8-[

TRUST NO ONE!!

13. I'm currently using e to get my inspiration. I hope Mosheh Thezion does't mind me pinching his technique.

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Originally Posted by worzel
I'm currently using e to get my inspiration. I hope Mosheh Thezion does't mind me pinching his technique.
OK... its the weekend right?? Now lets all just mellow out and try to make through to Monday morning!! 8-[

:wink:

15. Originally Posted by worzel
I'm currently using e to get my inspiration. I hope Mosheh Thezion does't mind me pinching his technique.
Careful, worzel. I wouldn't recommend following that technique too closely!

16. A friend of a friend (seriously) has an interesting site. It doesn't appear to be explained on the site itself, but my friend says that the technique goes like this:

1. You enter a number.
2. Pi is searched until that number is found.
3. The position of that number in pi is noted.
4. The program uses that number to select a quotation.
6. You determine if that quotation has any significance in your life.

Obviously, a very scientific method.

Actually, the author of the site knows very well how scientific that method really is.

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Originally Posted by Meteora
A friend of a friend (seriously) has an interesting site.
• .... snip .....
It's True!! It's True!! pi spoke to me!! I believe!! I believe!!

8)

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If all finite strings of bits are in pi then all copyrights are invalid due to prior existence of the material. The sequence of bits on a CD is somewhere in pi in the same order as they occur on the CD. The publisher of the CD has merely published an already existing sequence of numbers. It's not an original work so it can be freely copied by anyone who wants to.

19. Originally Posted by Meteora
A friend of a friend (seriously) has an interesting site. It doesn't appear to be explained on the site itself...
Actually, the author of the site knows very well how scientific that method really is.
Funky stuff...I put in my birthday numbers and it said:

When its time has arrived, the prey becomes the hunter. ~Persian Proverb

:P

By the way, I met this man once, who thrust upon me Bible Code literature; he was a pleasant enough person, so I accepted it, but upon reading it, filed it in Kitchen Receptacle #1. I figured I didn't know enough basics to even muddle my mind with such stuff. Is the Bible Code stuff just more of the same of this nonsense? He was very serious about it, and at the time was "writing" a science fiction story, as well. Perhaps, in some cases, my ignorance is bliss.

20. Originally Posted by Chuck
If all finite strings of bits are in pi then all copyrights are invalid due to prior existence of the material. The sequence of bits on a CD is somewhere in pi in the same order as they occur on the CD. The publisher of the CD has merely published an already existing sequence of numbers. It's not an original work so it can be freely copied by anyone who wants to.
I've never heard that prior existence automatically demolishes copyrights. Cite? If I create something and you create the same thing without copying from me, I'm pretty sure you can successfully defend against infringement. True, it's usually pretty hard to prove one didn't have access to and copy something that has been previously published.

Good luck trying to prove someone else's copyright is invalid on this theory. You're going to have to find it in pi, and you're going to have to prove that discovery was published, and that the author accessed the discovery and did no creation himself.

21. Originally Posted by Melusine
By the way, I met this man once, who thrust upon me Bible Code literature; he was a pleasant enough person, so I accepted it, but upon reading it, filed it in Kitchen Receptacle #1. I figured I didn't know enough basics to even muddle my mind with such stuff. Is the Bible Code stuff just more of the same of this nonsense?
Yes. And you don't even need to follow the "reasoning" (and I do that word a grievous wrong using it there) to know that this is the case. Just ask "If the Bible code can predict things, why does it only ever do so after the event?"

It's a bit difficult to take seriously a claim of "I can predict the future, afterwards"

22. Originally Posted by Melusine
Originally Posted by Meteora
A friend of a friend (seriously) has an interesting site. It doesn't appear to be explained on the site itself...
Actually, the author of the site knows very well how scientific that method really is.
Funky stuff...I put in my birthday numbers and it said:

When its time has arrived, the prey becomes the hunter. ~Persian Proverb

:P

By the way, I met this man once, who thrust upon me Bible Code literature; he was a pleasant enough person, so I accepted it, but upon reading it, filed it in Kitchen Receptacle #1. I figured I didn't know enough basics to even muddle my mind with such stuff. Is the Bible Code stuff just more of the same of this nonsense? He was very serious about it, and at the time was "writing" a science fiction story, as well. Perhaps, in some cases, my ignorance is bliss.

After climbing a great hill, one only finds there are many more hills to climb. ~ Unknown
:P

23. Originally Posted by Candy
After climbing a great hill, one only finds there are many more hills to climb. ~ Unknown
:P

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Originally Posted by Sock puppet
Originally Posted by Melusine
By the way, I met this man once, who thrust upon me Bible Code literature; he was a pleasant enough person, so I accepted it, but upon reading it, filed it in Kitchen Receptacle #1. I figured I didn't know enough basics to even muddle my mind with such stuff. Is the Bible Code stuff just more of the same of this nonsense?
Yes. And you don't even need to follow the "reasoning" (and I do that word a grievous wrong using it there) to know that this is the case. Just ask "If the Bible code can predict things, why does it only ever do so after the event?"

It's a bit difficult to take seriously a claim of "I can predict the future, afterwards"
According to the first book on the subject, The Bible Code, by Michael Drosnin, a code they ran suggested that Yitzak Rabin would be assassinated. They even warned Rabin, but to no avail. So the story goes. The foretelling of the Rabin Assassination was one of the events that convinced Drosnin that it could be real, which lead him to write the book, which started off the whole Bible Code/Torah Code craze.

Use some temporal perspective, Sock Puppet. If someone finds what they think is a matrix suggesting a historic event then that event has been "encoded" in the Bible since the Bible was first written. With that logic the data has been there for thousands of years. It may be that someone "discovers" it after the fact, but that is something else. Some might say that the assassin's name was only "discovered" after the assassination, but that would be wrong. The printed matrix contained that information, but Drosnin and others simply ignored it. I'm not saying the code is real or not, just that some issues are human error and not that of the printed material.

25. Originally Posted by Donnie B.
Originally Posted by Candy
After climbing a great hill, one only finds there are many more hills to climb. ~ Unknown
:P

Or you could put your name into the first pi search copy the number(position of name in pi) and then paste it into the second pi search and see what quote relates to your name.

BABB="Whatever you're doing, it's not as important as petting the cat"

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They weren't exactly putting themselves out on a limb by predicting that a Middle Eastern politician will be assassinated.

I remember my roommate telling me that he was against pi being converted to binary form, for similar reasons to those expressed on this thread. Because it was it random and infinite, eventually there'd be the code for a virus that would destroy the entire internet. I snarkily responded that if that was the case than the anti-virus would also be encoded and there'd be no problem.

27. It's a little late, but it occurs to me that English is not "normal".

e.g. "E" occurs more often than "Z".

Does this make it harder to find Shakespear in PI?

I guess when Pi is described as "normal" that basically means "in the long run"; and Infinity is a large number of digits to search in.

Does Infinity really mean all possible sequences, of any given length, may actually occur?

Cheers,

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Originally Posted by Melusine
By the way, I met this man once, who thrust upon me Bible Code literature; he was a pleasant enough person, so I accepted it, but upon reading it, filed it in Kitchen Receptacle #1. I figured I didn't know enough basics to even muddle my mind with such stuff. Is the Bible Code stuff just more of the same of this nonsense? He was very serious about it, and at the time was "writing" a science fiction story, as well. Perhaps, in some cases, my ignorance is bliss.

29. Originally Posted by pzkpfw
Does Infinity really mean all possible sequences, of any given length, may actually occur?
I would think "may occur" is a given. But I wonder if they must occur, and for the life of me I can't figure why they would.

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Umm, about that copyright thing- copyright begins when the work is fixed in a medium. Obviously, before regulating the right to make copies (which is what copyright protection is all about) can make any sense, a work has to exist in a form which can be copied. Write it down, save it on a disk, engrave it on the head of a pin, recite it into a tape recorder, scribble it with a stick into fresh concrete... now you've got something which is entitled to copyright protection. As long as it remains just a thought in your mind, or an abstract possibility, no dice.

So, if it turns out that the words to "Happy Birthday to You", which is still under copyright, can be found starting at the 1,000,564,876th digit of pi, it doesn't matter because the writers of "Happy Birthday" had the priority of fixing the work in a medium.

In fact, you could say that whoever publishes a computation of pi which contains "Happy Birthday" could theoretically wind up getting done for infringment.

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