I fell for it - it takes several cups of coffee before I realize what day it is. #-o
(I'm not a good person to have on the morning shift at the reactor...)
Yes, that is a good one too!Originally Posted by Tman
Though my skeptical alarms should have gone off when kucharek used the word "irrefutable" in the thread name.... that's a clue word
all kidding aside. This is an interesting image from MOC.
I have a question( probably a stupid one) about some ESA pics that look like standing water?Originally Posted by moxy1
Those hi-res pictures from the ESA series, I think, look like deep water blue holes, maybe like something you would see in connection with thermal vents. I know that standing water on Mars would be a hard sell but zooming in on the edges of these pics surely looks like shore lines or waters edge markings. Is there a way that thermal vents could keep pools of water, hot enough to prevent freezing yet show no clouding or water vapor in the area. Would it evaporate fast enough to dissipate without evidence? Any thoughts on that :-?
Moxy1, I Sent you a PM but not sure it went through. Let me know if you get it! Thanks! MD
This was the image that looks so much like standing water. You can almost see the shore line. Zooming in on the hi-res image of this pic is quite interesting.
You sure that isn't false-color?
ESA would have to answer that. I'm not sure?
Thanks for the additional information Wolverine. Although, it said that the image had been reduced for the internet, it didn't mention any color modification? What would create such a dark blue depth of color? Other areas of depth around the planet may be in shadow but these pics seem to be different?
Is it just me or does this picture look too much like a segment of a torn leather couch?Originally Posted by moxy1
Looks like the vinyl top on my old GTO!
If this is a Mars pic though, it looks pretty interesting!
Have you "had time" to read the Hoagland debunking yet? The following two sections thereof contain excellent information about color issues as well as links to additional materials:Originally Posted by MythozDog
What Color is Mars?
The Green Planet?
Further, there's a heap of info on ESA's Mars Express pages you may examine. For example, from here:
Long story short: just because certain features "look" blue or green doesn't mean they're water or vegetation.Originally Posted by ESA
Past APOD 4/1's:
2004: April Fools Day More Intense On Mars
2003: A New Constellation Takes Hold
2002: Hubble Resolves Expiration Date For Green Cheese Moon
2001: Americans Defeat Russians in First Space Quidditch Match
Prior to the millennium, APOD's sense of humor wasn't that developed, although 1998: Astronaut Kicks Lunar Field Goal, with R1D1 watching from the sidelines, wasn't too bad.
md> got your pm, and I agree.
Some of the responses one receives on this site border on the comical.
I especially love the stock response "false color".
keep plugging away.
Originally Posted by moxy1
The Truth Is Out There!
Originally Posted by Wolverine
Once Again, Thanks Wolverine! I haven't read them yet but I want to, and I will. I appreciate your input and promise to keep an open mind about the information. ESA's stuff I trust. I think they would go public if for no other reason than to One-Up NASA. NASA's stuff I'm a little less inclined to trust being it's close involvement with our government... who’s credibility is sorely lacking in many areas.
About the rovers matching references...I'm not sure why they are having problems. I'm not saying it's not so, but if they knew the exact colors before it left earth what makes it so hard to just re-adjust their color pallets to match and correct for color. It would seem logical? Unless, something else is at play that is specific to Mars that would skew the results? It's very interesting though. I know individuals even see colors
with slight differences. It's just a matter of time until we do know,though... so, it's not that big a deal long term, just currently controversial.
Re-reading the ESA's explaination...I accept the fact that it must be a problem, harder than it would seem, but with todays super computer technology it would seem to be almost a non issue??? When you have both ESA and NASA struggling with it, though, I'm sure they will come to some kind of standard that will eventually be applied over all otherwise what a pain to process each image individually. :-?
Just one more good reason to send someone to investigate. Wish they would do it sooner rather than later.
It "borders on the comical" to suggest that what is shown in the images is not free standing water?Originally Posted by moxy1
I was not referring to your specific post.