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See my post, No.12 , and the lack after three days of any further contribution from the OP, wd40.
He's certainly pulled a lot of your chains this time!
This seems a slightly more plausible explanation for the mysterious floating pigs:Two weeks on and still no answers on source of dead pigs found in Shanghai riverA pig breeder from Yangzhuang village in Xinfeng town said the mass dumping of dead pigs into the river was thanks to the recent disappearance of a black market in which illegal dealers bought dead pigs from farmers, processed them and sold the meat to restaurants.
"It's well known among us farmers that some traders were arrested at the end of last year and no one dares to sell the dead pigs," he said.
Here's a few snippets from their site:
That completely negates any credibility in my mind.WhatDoesItMean.Com Is One Of The Top Ranked Websites In The World For New World Order, Conspiracy Theories And Alternative News
Some events depicted in certain articles on this website are fictitious and any similarity to any person living or dead is merely coincidental. Some other articles may be based on actual events but which in certain cases incidents, characters and timelines have been changed for dramatic purposes. Certain characters may be composites, or entirely fictitious.
Oh; and how about the story itself. I googled this health minister and "swine". All I found were references to the swine flu that has nothing to do with the dead pigs, along with nothing but "woo" sites.
What makes you think that so many conspiracy websites can openly report a story like while all the legitimate sites don't have a clue?
Where did this 15 million number come from?
Squink's link is entirely consistant with all the stories I have heard.
We are talking about less than 1% of one breeder's yearly output. That's entirely within the realm of natural deaths. No need for any special cause. The entire problem is about disposal, not deaths.
If the "lethal RNA" in "frankenapples" turns out to be real, would this manifest itself in humans in years or decades?
Personally I have noticed that GM apples, although crisp and tasty, don't satisfy like a regular apple used to.
Neither does a bowl of Kellog's cornflakes satisfy like it used to.
If GM corn and other GM foods really are deficient in nutrients, how serious a problem is this?
If GM turns out to have been a failure and a hazardous mistake, would Monsanto etc and TPTB ever admit it? There have been many Hollywood films depicting the extremes that chemical, agricultural, cigarette, food and oil companies will go to to cover up and avoid litigation, compensation etc.
Last edited by wd40; 2013-Apr-22 at 12:34 PM.
I think there is a very small possibility of GM "causing the end of the world," but not by doing anything bad to us and not by itself.
At present 200 species are estimated to be going extinct every day. We can't keep pulling the foundations out from under us and expect it to keep standing. It may happen that one GM crop may cause 1 critical species that we don't even know exists to go extinct. That could be the tipping point.
But by itself, GM is not a cause for major concern.
ha ha ha ha cough.
I just looked at the web page where this great "report" came from. Like any reputable source of scientific info it had wall to wall pictures of celebrity cleavage down the right hand side.
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From the BBC
I suspect that such anti-vaccine movements will kill a lot more people than GM crops.First Minister Carwyn Jones has urged parents to make sure their children have both doses of the MMR vaccine, as his children had.
It comes as the number of measles cases in the Swansea epidemic rises to 886.
Mr Jones told assembly members the message was getting through about the importance of getting vaccinated.
He said: "People should have their children immunised with both doses of MMR. My children were - I've got no problem in saying that."
Public Health Wales (PHW) said 78 more cases had been reported since last Thursday with 80 hospitalised since the outbreak began last November.
Tests are also taking place to establish whether the epidemic had claimed its first victim.
Gareth Colfer-Williams, 25, found dead at his home in Swansea last Thursday, had measles but suffered other health problems including asthma.
By the way, are there GM cornflakes? That negates your apple comment right there.
You'd either eat more, or take more vitaimins. Doesn't sound too serious.
And talk about biased information. That second link is not comparing apples to apples (pardon the reference)
Wrong; even non-GMO corn can contain those ingredients.While non-GMO corn was found to be free of chlorides, formaldehyde, glyphosate (active ingredient in Monsanto’s best selling herbicide Roundup), and other toxic substances
Also be wary of comparing ANYTHING to drinking water....
The recommended water intake is around 4.5 to 6.5 pounds of water per person per day EVERY day.the maximum amount of glyphosate allowed in drinking water is 700 parts per billion [...] The report found that GMO corn contains 13 ppm – that’s 18.5x the “safe amount” set by the EPA.
Now; how many pounds (on average) of corn does someone eat? Daily?
Even the worst corporate coverups get revealed after a while.
A lot of vitamins and mineral pills are problematic because they not absorbed for various reasons due to their method of ingestion....or take more vitaimins.
On the other hand, what do you eat that doesn't have corn in it?Now; how many pounds (on average) of corn does someone eat? Daily?
Et tu BAUT? Quantum mutatus ab illo.
I'm not going to rant on about it. I could mind you, but there aren't enough total bandwidth on the internet to be able to transfer a tirade worthy of how the antivax movement makes me feel.
Nothing makes my emotions scream out in rage like seeing young children suffer from adult stupidity.
IIRC we have a deep cavern seed bank that has the seeds for more than a million plant species here in Norway somewheres. the seeds are stored alongside the information needed to successfully grow these seeds into maturity. So even if something were to almost wipe out the biosphere. if anyone survives to start rebuilding civilisation, they will have access to all the seeds they need to begin replanting a viable biosphere. too bad we can't do the same with animals yet. I have even heard rumor of DNA banks being in the works, the limit is technology to birth a species without any members of said species being extant.
But more importantly than the seed banks, not all places grow the same varieties of each crop type anyhow. different places and biomes need different properties and tolerances in the crop. In Norway we put a high premium on frost resistance and fast sprout to maturity times due to our short but intense summers. Crops grown further south are generally of a type that matures slower but with a higher yield, not to mention the need for robust drought resistance in the varieties grown in even drier areas.
I cant imagine any kind of natural disease being able to make all of these varieties extinct in any manner of short timeframe without humanity being able to intervene somehow.
We might have to do without one type of crop for a couple of years while we work on getting rid of the disease vector, but once the threat is gone, we can restart the species.
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The Gros Michel banana is no longer exported to the mass market due to the panama disease. It's not extinct as i first thought tho. it still exists in remoter areas that went untouched by the disease. Bananas is a fairly special case of monoculture tho, since the main species used for the mass market are in fact clones. the Grand Nain banana(aka Chiquita banana) is the one most commonly found in supermarkets in my part of the world at least. Non hybrid bananas aren't particularly edible I'm afraid. they are full of hard inedible seeds, but we can always use the wild species to make new edible hybrid varieties unless something virulent enough to knock out most of the wild species as well appears.
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Besides WD40, t seems like GM food is back in the news again with a vengence and slanted reporting.
This story put me over the edge.
What's in your Chipotle burrito? (video only)
The story seems to mix a lot of concepts of food processing with GM.Popular food chain Chipotle announces that some of its ingredients are genetically modified.
They also intermix the word "artifical" with GM.
They never even say what ingredients are actually GM. Only that after processing it contains GM products. I can only assume from the context that the only GM ingredient is the soybean oil they use.
The nutritionist in the story is right about what it is, but the reporter is obviously changing the tone by paraphrasing the next part.
Nutritionist: [It means] genetic material has been unnaturally changed.
Reporter: That's because it's been processed and grown on factory like farms, [the nutritionist] says.
What? I can grow GM food in a natural way in my backyard. That statement is absolutely wrong.
"The soybean oil marinade in high quantites can lead to higher risk of heart disease or arthritis."
Is that because it's GM or because it's soybean oil.
Then, talking about the switch to sunflower oil, the nutritionist says "If [the chips] are made of whole corn and healthy oil they are actually good for you."
If you place the same restriction as above (in high quantities), then no, they are not.
Et tu BAUT? Quantum mutatus ab illo.
It's all linked back to the superstitious dichotomy of "natural" vs "artificial". As we see, the most superstitious have the least comprehensive of what they're actually talking about.
But isn't that always the case?