Then apparently all of the analysis and defense of the BBT witnessed here is unwarrented since most of the people doing it here are not the "experts" that have "established" the prevailing opinion. Why is it that people are capable of analyzing and defending the BBT, but not capable of analyzing and defending Arp's theory? All of the sudden when the theory is ATM it is too tough a job that requires the help of the learned few?Originally Posted by Cougar
Originally Posted by dgruss23Is that what I said?Cougar: Nor does it mean their conclusion is correct.
Originally Posted by dgruss23Right, he must look for additional tests that go beyond statistical argument - such as connecting bridges(NGC 7603,NEQ3...), lack of reddening in objects such as NGC 1232B (still waiting for a response to that one), quasars superimposed in front of a galaxy (NGC 7319), lack of time dilation in quasar samples (Hawkins paper) ...And of course the major question is, what is the nature of this "association"? Arp must stretch in his attempt to prove the association is something other than coincidental alignment.
Its not just statistical evidence.
Yes, it most certainly does take time - and I'm here to answer questions in an effort to help people's learning curves. I don't have all the answers and continue to spend significant time learning for my part. Personally, I think you underrate the ability of people to analyze the evidence for themselves. The key points can most of the time be reduced to non-technical terminology suitable for a popular article in magazines such as Astronomy, S&T, or Scientific American. If it can be put into those formats, then there is no reason why the "nonprofessional" cannot take a look at the evidence and make their own judgements as to the viability of Arp's model.Apparently most of the astronomical community think this stretching results in a very thin argument. But others, such as yourself, have joined in the effort to thicken the argument. Nonprofessionals such as Russ and myself would take a LOT of time and effort to independently reach a well-informed decision on the matter. We are helped by those with much more experience in this area, such as Ned Wright and Phil Plait, not to mention Stephen Weinberg and John Baez.