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    A Primer on Global Warming

    For those of us operating outside of the circles of sceince on a daily basis, many of us encounter many folks who haven't really taken a view on the perils of global warming or just in the grind of their day to day life haven't really looked at the issue at all. Hence, many opinions on this are unformed and easily shaped by a few sound bites that they may have heard on TV, likely by a politician or in a political forum. I was one of those people for quite a few years, then actually was a bit of a skeptic for a period of time as my intro to the topic was skewed by biased sources or folks who simply looked at Milinkavich Cycles and concluded that we are simply in a warming lull during a period of prolonged ice ages. However, about 8 years ago or so I started becoming more educated on the topic by reading a few books, quite a few papers, articles and countless "internet debates". Of late I've had the occassion to engage in some dialogue with people on this topic and shared my views and also offerd the opinion that if anyone was willing to invest some "time" to learn about this topic in some depth that most reasonable minds would see the "realness" of the problem. So I started putting together a "reading list" of articles, papers, books, etc that I'd read and was able to find links to. There is much more that I have read over the years that is not on this list that I either couldn't find, forgotten who wrote it (or even forgotten that I read it).

    Anyway, my intent is not to create a super long list of articles, papers but rather a "good" solid list that could be emailed to an interested mind (most of whom would not have a sceintific background but of respectable intellect). As this list is a "work-in-process" I would welcome any suggested additions or deletions from this list and I offer the concept to anyone else who may find an interested party that they would like to "share" this with and help spread the word and educate the masses (which really needs to occur for any meaningful action to occur).







    GENERAL

    Rolling Stone – Bill McKibben – Math behind global warming

    http://www.rollingstone.com/politics...mber_137051116


    BEST paper/study by “skeptic” Muller funded by KOCH

    http://berkeleyearth.org/pdf/results-paper-july-8.pdf



    James Hansen - NASA papers – author – “Storms of my Children”

    http://www.columbia.edu/~jeh1/2006/N...l_20060210.pdf

    http://www.nature.com/climate/2009/0....2009.124.html

    http://www.columbia.edu/~jeh1/2006/D...e_20061121.pdf

    The Guardian

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen...climate-change


    From the 2009 Copenhagen Conference – Comprehensive Overveiw

    http://oceanrep.geomar.de/11839/2/Co...gnosis_LOW.pdf


    NASA – Ice Melt

    http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2012-217

    http://www.economist.com/node/21556798

    Debunk relevance of Medieval Warm Period

    http://www.skepticalscience.com/medi...arm-period.htm

    http://www.realclimate.org/index.php...developments/\




    Impact on Oceans
    http://geography.about.com/od/geogra...obalmarine.htm

    Powerpoint Graphs depicting Impact on Oceans

    http://www.whoi.edu/fileserver.do?id=54312&pt=2&p=58666


    Technical paper on Ocean Warming/Acidification

    http://icesjms.oxfordjournals.org/co....full.pdf+html

    Ocean Ecosystem Impacts

    http://www.skepticalscience.com/grea...eef-part3.html

    http://www.skepticalscience.com/Ocea...nd_losers.html


    SOLUTIONS

    McKinsey Study

    https://solutions.mckinsey.com/ClimateDesk/default.aspx

    Water pipes – 1/3rd sequestration
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7014503.stm



    BOOKS
    “Under a Green Sky - Global Warming , the Mass Extinctions of the Past and What They can Tell us About the Future” - by Peter Ward

    “Storms of Our Grandchildren” - by James Hansen

    Over-Population

    “Hot, Flat and Crowded” – by Thomas Freidman

    http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/10560
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    I've very rarely been in a debate with someone who is actually interested enough to go beyond the soundbites tbh. If they actually are interested enough, then they are mostly going have already noticed where the scientific consensus really lies, and are generally going to agree that AGW is not only real, but a man made as well.

    Whenever i "debate" a Denier i just try to show everyone else what the actual consensus is on this matter.
    Also, if they give me an opportunity, i will also show everyone how inconsistent and dependent on belief in a conspiracy the denialist view is. Most people are rational enough to recognize that large scale conspiracies like those touted by some people just aren't feasible to pull off. It may be a cheap little trick to do, but debating this topic with a hardcore denier is not about scoring glory points for appearing like you know everything, but showing that your opponent don't have a leg to stand on that really counts.

    Debating a real skeptic is something else entirely. but those should be a pretty endangered species by now as far as climate change goes.
    your list should prove more than sufficient for convincing one of those methinks.

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    Nice list KABOOM

    I've found a couple of other resources I like

    How to talk to a climate skeptic (with FAQs)
    http://grist.org/skeptics/?source=daily

    Newscientist.com has a bunch of resources, you can start at the link below
    http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11462

    Realclimate.org also links to many resources
    http://www.realclimate.org/index.php...05/start-here/
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    It’s James Hansen not John Hansen and Muller not Mueller.

    You should really take the time to read some of the stuff you posted; not just the titles. You might be surprised.

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    Not quite what you are talking about, but would like to give a plug for Peter Hadfields video series on how a real skeptic should approach the controversy.
    http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list...8&feature=plcp

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swift View Post
    Nice list KABOOM

    I've found a couple of other resources I like

    How to talk to a climate skeptic (with FAQs)
    http://grist.org/skeptics/?source=daily

    Newscientist.com has a bunch of resources, you can start at the link below
    http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11462

    Realclimate.org also links to many resources
    http://www.realclimate.org/index.php...05/start-here/
    Thanks Swift, these are real good "one stop" additions to my list, useful to have for easy reference to use with anyone who feels like getting into an extended debate/dialogue

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    Nice list.
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    Quote Originally Posted by orionjim View Post
    It’s James Hansen not John Hansen and Muller not Mueller.

    You should really take the time to read some of the stuff you posted; not just the titles. You might be surprised.
    It is great to point out errors, but you should not assume that KABOOM did not read the material; there are these things called "typos". Accussing someone of not reading the material, particularly when he said he did, might be considered rude.
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    IPCC fourth assessment report is still the best place to read about the science of climate change:

    http://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_.../contents.html

    I of course have to advertise my own site, here is index to few lists of scientific papers on the subject:

    http://agwobserver.wordpress.com/index/

    From there you might find some global surface temperature papers that are more relevant than the BEST paper in your list, as the BEST paper has not even passed peer-review yet. For global surface temperature, a good website is for example GISS website for their global surface temperature analysis, as it has the whole package, description, papers, software of the analysis, data, etc.

    http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swift View Post
    It is great to point out errors, but you should not assume that KABOOM did not read the material; there are these things called "typos". Accussing someone of not reading the material, particularly when he said he did, might be considered rude.

    You’re right Swift and KABOOM I apologize.

    But I found the idea of putting up a one sided list irritating to say the least. Of course a skeptic starting a thread with a one sided list would be just as irritating; both continue to reinforce the polarizing debate that gets nowhere.

    I put together my list and when I went to post it I read Ari’s post. I don’t think Ari and I have ever agreed on anything. The fact that we would both recommend the IPCC AR4 tells you how important it is.

    Here’s my list:
    • A very basic understanding of statistics
    • A very basic understanding of the difference between enumerative and analytic statistics
    • IPCC AR4 Synthesis Report

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    Quote Originally Posted by orionjim View Post
    You’re right Swift and KABOOM I apologize.
    Thank you for that.

    Quote Originally Posted by orionjim View Post
    But I found the idea of putting up a one sided list irritating to say the least. Of course a skeptic starting a thread with a one sided list would be just as irritating; both continue to reinforce the polarizing debate that gets nowhere.
    Our policy on this is clearly stated here, but let me clarify further.

    I'm sorry for your irritation, but posting a similar list for anti-AGW information in any other place than ATM is against our policy.

    To give an analogy, if someone wanted to post a list of references in Science & Technology about General Relativity, that would be very acceptable. If someone else wanted to post a list of references trying to disprove General Relativity, that would only be acceptable in ATM.

    If you want to debate that policy, use the old Feedback thread, or start a new one.
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    Swift mentioned that RealClimate has links to other resources, including Spencer Weart's The Discovery of Global Warming - A History, but I think it deserves a place of its own on this list.

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    For a visual look at the effects of climate change on the cryosphere there's this site:

    http://www.extremeicesurvey.org/

    Lonnie Thompson has also done some important work in establishing the decline of the cryosphere consistant with climate change.

    http://bprc.osu.edu/Icecore/LGT%20Am...Soc%202010.pdf

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    I've actually been collecting links since the climategate nonsense. Being nearly duped myself, it made me want to be a better science communicator. Anyway, please enjoy the following links:


    Debunkery and General Info
    http://www2.ucar.edu/climate/faq
    www.skepticalscience.com/
    http://www.purdue.edu/newsroom/resea...laciation.html
    (audio presentation): http://www.stthomas.edu/engineering/jpabraham/
    http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/trends/global.html
    http://forecast.uchicago.edu/moodle/
    http://climatedesk.org/about-climate-desk/
    http://www.usgs.gov/newsroom/article...8#.UBzbcUSUqFV
    http://earthguide.ucsd.edu/earthguid...energybalance/
    http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/globa.../holocene.html


    Peter Sinclair's "Climate Denial Crock of the Week" series is a very good primer.
    http://www.youtube.com/user/greenman3610/videos?view=1

    Yale Climate Forum
    http://www.youtube.com/user/yaleclimateforum/videos
    http://environment.yale.edu/climate/


    The UCS has a few good, though slightly out of date, affirmations of the reality of climate change due to anthropogenic global warming.
    http://www.ucsusa.org/ssi/climate-ch...sensus-on.html


    AGW Causes and Signature
    http://www.realclimate.org/index.php...osphere-warms/
    http://www.nature.com/scitable/blog/...global_warming
    http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming...ation-and.html
    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0511100918.htm
    http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Fea...on_update2.php
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbBb-...hannel&list=UL
    http://www.ems.psu.edu/~fraser/Bad/BadGreenhouse.html
    http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/indicators/


    Communication
    http://www.physicstoday.org/resource...s1?bypassSSO=1
    http://www.americanprogress.org/issu...6americas.html
    http://environment.yale.edu/climate/...ericasMay2011/
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/toddessi...change-denial/


    Climate Change
    http://climate.nasa.gov/effects/
    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0710111111.htm
    http://coloradoindependent.com/11772...climate-change
    http://www.skepticalscience.com/Extr...Sea-Level.html
    http://sealevel.colorado.edu/content...gnals-retained
    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...1106164744.htm
    http://www.duke.edu/web/nicholas/bio217/jmz28/
    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0325173206.htm

    Economics/Politics
    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0316195338.htm
    http://www.skepticalscience.com/glob...d-advanced.htm
    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...1109143017.htm
    http://www.inscc.utah.edu/~tgarrett/...Economics.html
    http://e360.yale.edu/content/feature.msp?id=2148
    http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...global-warming
    http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/...-rise-illegal/
    http://www.nature.com/news/sea-versus-senators-1.10893
    http://www.thenation.com/article/164...sm-vs-climate#
    http://www.thebulletin.org/content/d...clock/overview
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/28/sc...=1&ref=science
    http://www.greenpeace.org.uk/blog/cl...paign-20120215
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...070400789.html


    Ecological Effects
    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0703142609.htm
    http://www.pik-potsdam.de/~stefan/oceans.html
    http://www.motherjones.com/tom-philp...climate-change
    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0220085830.htm


    NYC 2030 development plan
    http://www.nyc.gov/html/planyc2030/h...the-plan.shtml

    Solutions/Mitgation
    http://web.mit.edu/12.000/www/m2012/finalwebsite/
    http://www.nature.org/ourinitiatives...ange/index.htm
    http://www.washington.edu/news/2012/...have-in-store/
    http://e360.yale.edu/feature/new_yor...ing_seas/2187/


    I have lots more, but I think this is enough for now.



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    Things are changing a bit:
    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...rming_ske.html
    http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/fea...land-melt.html

    Also stress death threats made to climate science researchers
    http://www.climatesciencewatch.org/2...te-scientists/

    The many links might cause some deniers trouble with eyes glazing over. Perhaps the best way is to have sailors give personal testimony--even as holocaust survivors have.
    http://www.terradaily.com/reports/Vo...rming_999.html
    http://icyseas.org/page/2/

    Having working people who are not scientists talking about what they see to other working people may be the best way. Folks without leather elbows sewed to sweater sleeves or wearing oxfords who have their own ideas about how the world works would tick some folks off.

    Mooney's recent articles here: http://www.csicop.org/author/christophermooney might be too incendiary to start folks off with, so having working people listen to working people is the best way to go. Ironically, I remember how Pat Robertson (at least initially) accepted AGW before Mike Shermer did at SKEPTIC.

    This will allow a healthy exchange of ideas showing how even skeptics can have blind spots. Sometimes you have to hold people by the hand and lead things on. This is a good reason for teachers to have kids read things aloud, so the children can hear the words of others with their own voice. You are not trying to cut anyones opposable thunbs off--just explaining why we must need spend money on having more types of energy at hand--why this is a national security issue. Don't use the word 'sustainable' Don't use code words. Talk about the dust bowl and how Uncle Sam encouraged the use of different plowing measures to be friends of farmers.

    You have to put people at ease.

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    I think it's going to take something dramatic and undeniable to finally get large numbers of people motivated to backing policy changes around climate change. Something like the first sea ice free summer in the Arctic would fit the bill.

    The only question that then remains is if we've already passed crucial tipping points that make mitigation unpractical.

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    I found Oreskes' "Merchants of Doubt" video series on Youtube very informative for understanding where much of the denialist propaganda originated.

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    This is not aimed at anyone, nor has their been bad behavior, but may I make a general request here, before things get too off topic.

    Part of our "new" global warming policy is that we ask that GW threads remain on a specific aspect of that topic, and not become a general "catchall" thread for GW. I would ask that we keep this thread as a resource of useful links and information. Critiques of specific links are fine, but I don't want to get into side discussions of Malthus or anything else. If you want to discuss, for example, Malthus and Global Warming, that's fine, but please start a new thread about that topic.

    Thank you all for your cooperation.
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    The posts on Malthus and Global Warming have been moved to their own thread.
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    Here's an interesting page from GISS with graphic representation of the effects of climate change and extreme hot weather events.

    http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/news/20120806/

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    The posts on regulating AGW have been moved to their own thread here.

    This is the second time this thread has been derailed by off-topic, side-discussions about AGW. This tread is ONLY for posting links and other reference materials. Next person who posts off topic gets an infraction.
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    Not a paper, but a scary look at the shrinking polar ice.

    http://www.wunderground.com/blog/Jef...?entrynum=2352

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