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I've wondered for a long time; if it's possible to download the information of the brain, but not to duplicate the dynamic aspects of the mind, would it be possible to "re-download" that data back into a living brain? (I realize it would probably take a long time to "grow" a brain to the right specifications, probably years or even decades.) But if it could be done, then even without becoming digital infomorphs we could still preserve the mind, sort of.
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Per the Law of Identity in the field of logic, A = A, and so all that is necessary in order to resurrect a person is to perfectly recreate a person's mind (or their total body; or the total environment which they exist in [which would also include their body, and hence mind]). For details on this, see Sec. 3.3: "The Universal Resurrection of the Dead" of my following article:Originally Posted by Noclevername
James Redford, "The Physics of God and the Quantum Gravity Theory of Everything", Social Science Research Network (SSRN), Aug. 6, 2012 (orig. pub. Dec. 19, 2011), 186 pp., doi:10.2139/ssrn.1974708.
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Duh wha'?!
What mechanism would make that happen?
I though the point of the infinite computer was that it would calculate everything, of which a simulation of me would be a subset, thus ensuring that I would be simulated,
Except this is not the field of logic, so your primary assumption is flawed.
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Not perhaps too warming for the individual, but I see it as a slow cosmic dance that's beautiful to imagine and be part of. Besides, individuality is of anecdotal importance, regardless of my quite exaggerated view of myself as being astoundingly wonderful, six sigma out and running rampant.
On a serious note, I find a rational view of mortality and finality gives me a greater respect for life, as in: loath to see one taken under most any circumstance.
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That's not the same as unimportant.
My individuality is the only thing I really have. I'd hate to lose it. I know from personal experience that I don't like to see someoe else lose theirs, either.
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This is why reading is fundamental. All of your questions here are already answered in my previously cited article.Duh wha'?!
What mechanism would make that happen?
I though the point of the infinite computer was that it would calculate everything, of which a simulation of me would be a subset, thus ensuring that I would be simulated,
Given an infinite amount of computational resources, recreating the exact quantum state of our present universe is trivial (per the Bekenstein Bound), requiring at most a mere 10^123 bits (the number which Roger Penrose calculated), or at most a mere 2^10^123 bits for every different quantum configuration of the universe logically possible (i.e., the powerset, of which the multiverse in its entirety at this point in universal history is a subset of this powerset). So the Omega Point will be able to resurrect us using merely an infinitesimally small amount of total computational resources: indeed, the multiversal resurrection will occur between 10^-10^10 and 10^-10^123 seconds before the Omega Point is reached, as the computational capacity of the universe at that stage will be great enough that doing so will require only a trivial amount of total computational resources.
For more on the above, see Sec. 3.3: "The Universal Resurrection of the Dead", pp. 24-24 of my following article:
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All of physics and indeed science is based upon the generalizability of logic. If logic did not apply to these fields then no result in physics or science could ever have the slightest validity. (Indeed, existence and hence consciousness wouldn't even be possible, since A =/= A would mean that a thing is not itself, and hence that a thing is not a thing, i.e., that existence is not existence.)Except this is not the field of logic, so your primary assumption is flawed.
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That is what is called the Scholarly Method, of which all of science and scholarship is founded upon. Regarding "this [not being] a commercial board", my article addressing the topics of this thread is also not commercial, but instead is released under free and open source licenses. I make no money from it. The entire point of directing people here to it is because it answers the questions which they asked here. Indeed, that was the entire point of my bothering to write it, so as to edify people concerning such matters.
You are not following the rules of this forum, since nothing in the rules states anything against citing a scholarly work, even if it be one's own. The rules state, "Do not post advertisements of any kind without securing the express consent of the administrators beforehand. Do not use this bulletin board as a vehicle to promote your own website, product, or forum, nor to sell merchandise."
I have not posted any advertisement of any kind, nor have I promoted any website, product, forum, or merchandise, whether my own or anyone else's. You are making up your own arbitrary and secret rules.
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I will let this go, and not infract this time.
However, note that mentioning your book in every post you write is well considered (self)promotion and advertisement, this has nothing to do with the "scholarly method", but will bring you e.g. lots of google hits, which promotes your (non)commercial book.
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So, it seems a functional copy of the biological neuron map could be conscious, in theory, after death of the original. Replacement inputs of vision etc seem even easier. That's conscious AI. This conscious AI could have agency, with all manner of external actuators, communications etc. Free from biology this new individual could have a very long life ahead. What to do? Survival of the biological consciousness seems a very low probability, that seems to be agreed. Given that the new one is still vulnerable in many ways, what is the survival strategy for a conscious AI personality? Like many fictional intelligences, this one thinks "What is the point?" So what is the point?
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Chances are if you can copy the information from one brain, and upload it to another, it may also be possible to "overwrite" the information on the receiving end. Why wait to grow a new brain? I'm sure there would be some ethics-free people who would be willing to snatch someone off the street and take over that person's brain. Maybe I've watched Freejack too many times or seen too many episodes of Dollhouse, but it seems plausible to me that if you can copy the information at all, you'd be able to upload it just as easily, even on "hardware" that already has a brain pattern loaded.
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If you are not careful, you just make a copy that thinks it is you and you are dead. The trick is to make a bridge very gradually. First to find some tech for the mind to migrate to as the brain cells die off over time to keep continuity, and then--if we ever get an ansible--to do the same gradual process in a quantum fashion. To make a clone, you just send a copy all at once. I think the important thing for you to be alive is how gradual the process is.
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I don't know about zombies but however I know something about this thread ! It is a zombie thread !
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I have no idea how plausible it is but I saw something about a quantum soul on a program recently.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIyEjh6ef_8
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Quantum Soul? Is that related to Quantum Funk or Quantum Blues?
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Yes, played on tiny, tiny instruments that can be many places at once giving that classical, "wall of sound" effect.Quantum Soul? Is that related to Quantum Funk or Quantum Blues?
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