Jack White dead

[Garrison]

Seemed the most appropriate place to note that Jack White, ardent Apollo Hoax proponent and JFK conspiracy theorist passed away on the 18th of June.

[pzkpfw]

They finally got to him.

[Obviousman]

I think he's faking it; it's a big hoax!

[novaderrik]

I think he's faking it; it's a big hoax!

is it wrong to ask people to prove that his death isn't a hoax?

[Obviousman]

I think it's fair. If they have nothing to hide then they'll show the body, right?

[Selenite]

They finally got to him.

To pump up the drama level, I'm sure his followers will proclaim that he was just on the verge of presenting new evidence that would blow the Apollo/JFK scams wide open.

[Mellow]

Whilst I think it's wholly inappropriate to make fun of a death, I have to admit, the first thing I thought of was how many tinfoil hat types would claim it was an illuminati ploy to remove someone who had figured out the "truth".

[captain swoop]

The thread title made me sit up. I thought it meant a different Jack White!

I was listening to his Jools Holland session when I read it!

[HenrikOlsen]

Why do I hear people singing "Ding! Dong!" in my head?

[Arneb]

I'd say you forgot to put your tinfoil hat on.

[BigDon]

Now don't be mean people.

We all come from the void and we'll all return to it. So now he knows the final mystery, the one nobody wants to find out themselves.

[JoshuaJericho]

I have always seen White as a disinformation type. High level, but disinformation type nevertheless. Anything to get people to focus on photos I believe is a big plus for the official story side. It is a way of controlling the terms of the debate.

[R.A.F.]

I have always seen White as a disinformation type. High level, but disinformation type nevertheless.

For White to be a "disinformation type", then that would mean that the Apollo missions were faked...they were not.

Anything to get people to focus on photos I believe is a big plus for the official story side. It is a way of controlling the terms of the debate.

How??...how does "focusing on photos" mean a plus for "the official story"??...how does it "control" the debate?

...and official story side?...this implies that both ideas (the landings happened on one side, and the landings were hoaxed on the other) stand on equal "footing"...they do NOT.

[mercatormac]

I have always seen White as a disinformation type. High level, but disinformation type nevertheless. Anything to get people to focus on photos I believe is a big plus for the official story side. It is a way of controlling the terms of the debate.

Hello there Patrick1000/Fattydash et al.

[Jim]

Mercatormac, if you believe another Member is a sock, Report that post and make your case. Do not make an accusation in public.

[Obviousman]

I notice that quite of lot of the more reasonable JFK crowd have acknowledged that he did some good early work with JFK images, that he was passionate and dedicated, but his later work - speciically Apollo and 9/11 - was garbage. A lot of people didn't comment on his Apollo "studies" (I knew I couldn't say that without laughing) out of respect for him.

[Van Rijn]

I notice that quite of lot of the more reasonable JFK crowd have acknowledged that he did some good early work with JFK images

Was that before this:

http://www.clavius.org/hsca_2_0914.pdf

which to me is jaw-dropping stuff, clearly he's out of his depth yet that didn't seem to concern him much. He also had obvious issues with analyzing images, to the point that I've wondered if there was a neurological issue limiting his visualization ability. There's just a lot of stuff he just didn't seem to get. Is it that some are claiming he did good work despite that?

, that he was passionate and dedicated, but his later work - speciically Apollo and 9/11 - was garbage.

I'm mostly familiar with his Apollo stuff, but when I look back at the JFK bits, I see many of the same issues. I'm not suggesting he wasn't passionate or dedicated, though.

[Van Rijn]

I have always seen White as a disinformation type. High level, but disinformation type nevertheless. Anything to get people to focus on photos I believe is a big plus for the official story side. It is a way of controlling the terms of the debate.

Are there any of the Apollo Hoax believers/arguers that you don't believe are disinformation types? For myself, I haven't seen one come up with a reasonable argument, they just fall down in different subjects. Either they don't get some science point (often basic astronomy or physics issues) or they don't understand the technology, they have a habit of making claims without doing the research, and dismissing anyone who has done the research.

[chrlzs]

I notice that quite of lot of the more reasonable JFK crowd have acknowledged that he did some good early work with JFK images

Perhaps that is so, but over at Apollohoax a link was posted to this testimony to a 1978 enquiry.. Summary - White was questioned about his knowledge of photographic analysis, by someone who knew enough to make him look very ignorant indeed. It's pretty cringeworthy - I would almost feel sorry for him if I hadn't seen the other drivel that has emanated from his direction over the years.

*** Note - Van Rijn beat me to it with a more comprehensive set of examples - my link is a shorter text file of just the last part of the clavius pdf.

[Garrison]

I have always seen White as a disinformation type. High level, but disinformation type nevertheless. Anything to get people to focus on photos I believe is a big plus for the official story side. It is a way of controlling the terms of the debate.

Right because if people looked closely at the rocks or the telemetry, or the radio transmissions they would discover what exactly?

[Vonstadt]

I never wish death on anyone and its sad to hear it when anyone passes away. He was off base and out in left field with his theories. Maybe now the poor guy is at rest and whatever drove his stubborn beliefs in the garbage of his so called 'studies' he is finally free from.

[JayUtah]

I have always seen White as a disinformation type. High level, but disinformation type nevertheless.

So let me understand. You say he's a bogus hoax claimant, whose purpose is to make the hoax believers look stupid? And your evidence for this is ... what?

Anything to get people to focus on photos I believe is a big plus for the official story side.

Every single conspiracy theorist I have debated in my 10+ years doing this has brought up the photography. So by your argument, they're all disinformation agents? Where are the "real" hoax claimants, the ones who don't touch the photographs?

It is a way of controlling the terms of the debate.

Conspiracism is all about controlling the terms of the debate. Once the debate actually starts, conspiracists tend to lose quickly and figuratively implode. Hence they spend the majority of their time tap-dancing around issues such as who has the burden of proof.

[R.A.F.]

He was off base and out in left field with his theories.

Theories? Do you mean his belief that the Moon landings were a hoax?

No need for baseball metaphors....he was wrong, end of story.

[Obviousman]

My apologies - I seem to have misled people a little. I don't think his JFK work was worth a tinker's cuss; you only need look at the links provided above, his "badgeman" claim, etc. I meant to say that his supportors even acknowledge his Apollo claims, etc, were garbage, despite feeling his early JFK work had merit.

[BigDon]

My apologies - I seem to have misled people a little. I don't think his JFK work was worth a tinker's cuss; you only need look at the links provided above, his "badgeman" claim, etc. I meant to say that his supportors even acknowledge his Apollo claims, etc, were garbage, despite feeling his early JFK work had merit.

Not a cuss-word Obviousman. A tinker's dam refers to a coin shaped tin slug. A "dam". Used by tinsmiths as working stock and ne'er do wells as counterfit silver coins.

[Van Rijn]

Thanks for the clarification, Obviousman. That clears it up nicely.

[Gillianren]

Not a cuss-word Obviousman. A tinker's dam refers to a coin shaped tin slug. A "dam". Used by tinsmiths as working stock and ne'er do wells as counterfit silver coins.

Thank heaven; I was starting to think I was the only person who knew that.

[Obviousman]

I never knew that; thanks for the correction - and education - Don!

[chrisbobson]

Seemed the most appropriate place to note that Jack White, ardent Apollo Hoax proponent and JFK conspiracy theorist passed away on the 18th of June.

I often wondered about white, if he really was in our camp or was a plant. I say this because some of his pic choices and explanations for anomalies therein were way off target. My Apollo study group devoted a whole meeting to trying to figure out if he was a hoax proponent or disinformation artist. At this point I vote for the latter.

[sts60]

OK, I'll play.

Your "Apollo study group"?

And no, Jack White was simply obssessed and incompetent. The two go together a lot.

Sort of like the former DoctorTea (and about a hundred other sock puppets), who was banned for sock-puppetry and other forum violations here and elsewhere; he also lied constantly about himself and his qualifications while spewing the most ignorant and self-contradictory nonsense imaginable.

ETA: I'm sure Patrick T. will appear again here, real soon now, in yet another of his clumsily-concealed sock puppet identities. I think the poor guy needs professional help.