But I didn't post anyone else's assertions, they made their own! I simply asked for proof! or evidence at least... I never... not once... repeated ''their'' assertions.
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But I didn't post anyone else's assertions, they made their own! I simply asked for proof! or evidence at least... I never... not once... repeated ''their'' assertions.
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I stuck to mine, they stuck to theirs... can you show me proof of rehashing their statements? I surely don't remember doing that??????
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Why would I say, the very witnesses I speak of, would be a result of chinese whispers... that's a total Oxymoron! A total Paradox!
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That is the assertion. That is a non-mainstream idea. You have presented that idea, in one way or another, in several threads. When asked to prove it, you claim it is not your assertion, it is the assertion of others.Originally Posted by Aethelwulf
When I defended my dissertation, it was not up to my committee to prove my ideas were wrong, it was ONLY up to me to prove them right. That is the way science works. That is the way BAUT works. I'm not going to debate the "fairness" of it, that's the way it is.
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This person said to me, their OWN assertions. I asked for proof of these witnesses displaying chinese whispers, because this is WHAT THEY CLAIMED.
NOT ME. I simply asked for proof. How is this onto me then, in the way you put it?
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Frankly, I don't know what you are talking about. I don't know what post you are referring to about "chinese whispers" and frankly, it doesn't matter. This is not about a single post of yours, it is about a consistent pattern of behavior. I'm not going to play a "who said what" game. You have proof and evidence that UFOs are aliens, go to CT and present it.
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''That is the assertion. That is a non-mainstream idea.''
What are you talking about?
The fact I spoke about my own assertions? Yes... it will often be against the mainstream... but what has this got to do with anyone elses assertions...
So all of a sudden, anyone who comes into anyone elses thread, I have the burden of proof, to display it is true? So what if they, the maiden displayed a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow? I take it, even if I don't say it, it is still on me to prove that?
Seriously?
''When I defended my dissertation,''
Which I have always done in my thread....
'', it was not up to my committee to prove my ideas were wrong,''
Whose commitee...? You are talking nonesense. I am my own commitee... no one is defending me unless they want to.
'' it was ONLY up to me to prove them right''
What are you on about... the only obligation I have, is to prove my own assertions right... anyone who comes into my thread and bounces a whole load of superfluous stories
is not my duty to prove that right, which is the whole point. i prove my own assertions, no one elses!!!!!!!!!!!!!
'' That is the way science works.''
you've got it backwards. I present evidence, if this is the way this place worked, then if science has anything to do with this, I'd have people out their proving my assertions, but this clearly has nothing to do with my problems. my problem is that someone comes into my thread, makes wild assertions, my thread is then closed, when I ask them to back their statements up. That surely is not unreasonable, since the same burden of proof is on me, and me alone.
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You don't know, because you are being inconsistent. You don't realize, that the arguments I make, have all been mine. You are wanting me to prove someone elses assertions... I hope everyone else is reading this, because you are totally out of order!
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On this forum, if you want to talk about UFOs as alien spaceships (or whatever) you have to provide the evidence to support that.
If I come along to your thread and say "there is a mundane explanation" I am not required to provide any evidence. That may be unfair (and it would probably be really annoying if someone just made that unsupported assertion) but that's the way the rules are.
And as evidence there is not a an anti-UFO "plot" here, at least one person has been banned from BAUT for being disruptive by constantly joining UFO threads and saying "its all nonsense". It's all about behaviour not beliefs.
BTW: I posted a link to the Wikipedia article which showed that the press blew it up over 2 or 3 weeks from "possibly a balloon" to "flying saucers!! mystery!!!". That would seem to support the Chinese whispers idea. So can we drop it now.
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Swift has pointed out something here that I also told you in our PM conversation. You seem to be ignoring it. Our goal here is to keep the forum running smoothly. We (including you) would all benefit from you giving up on your heartfelt sense that something unfair has just happened to you. Figure out how to work within our system, or walk away.
Forming opinions as we speak
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I will walk away, if you think seriously someone else's claim is on me to prove?
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YEAH... and? How has this got to do, with me proving someone else's assertions?
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All I see, is a stubborness to reopen a thread of mine... because I have a real case, and any deflection to reopen my case, is being deflected with feeble attempts. Why should this be?
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I have just gone back and reread the thread. No one asked you to prove someone else's assertions. I think you simply misunderstood. Maybe you just got a little overexcited and weren't reading carefully (and I think English is a second language?) so not too surprising.
I assume it was this post that started it: http://www.bautforum.com/showthread....98#post2019898
No one was asking you to prove (or disprove) the "Chinese whispers" theory.
You were being asked for proof of the validity of the testimony. Which is quite reasonable as you were relying on this testimony as evidence for the nature of the event.
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They did not say that at all. There is no claim, there is only a statement of how it seems to someone.
As far as the color-blindness... I can't imagine what it is like, and can sympathize with your problem. But; if you truly are involved in the conversation, then you should understand the context whether it's an official warning or not.I would invite readers to do their own research into the VERY FIRST report of the Westall incident, and then compare that to later stories. It is quite amusing - the later additions are like a ludicrously exaggerated game of 'Chinese Whispers'!
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No one asked me to show any assertions, because I showed as much assertions as I could... however... the mod action against me, was because I said I would not investigate someone elses claims... I think they mistook that as me not backing my own. I had backed my own... all the way. Three times I said I would not back someone else...
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well they did ask me to give proof, I gave as much as I could.. but I am almost positive this was about the case ... if it wasn't this was still highly unfair, as when asked to show assertions. I DID.
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so even if it wasn't theoretically, I did much more than most would expect... so because I don't give 100% I am to be ridiculed and my thread closed yes? This place is a joke if that is the case. i did well in my discussions.
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That surely should not have been enough to close my thread!
I did well, I tried to keep to every question... even when I could not answer it properly, I gave a reply... your ATM asks for a lot less.
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why is it such a bad thing to ask for my thread to be reopened: Either the mods are biased to the subject, or I am being ridiculed right before your eyes. I have put more into that thread than your usual suspects. Yet... this seems to flash by your eyes, and opening the thread seems a damnation!
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Why even bring them up if you are unwilling to back them up? Doing so is just making useless noise, and if allowed would be a cheap way to introduce doubt where there is no cause for doubt. That is why we ask people to defend what they introduce here.
Forming opinions as we speak
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Bring who up... you telling me just to ignore senseless claims...
... so now I believe you want people to be persecuted because they are being baited?
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And whose claims do you speak of... because they are not mine!
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''That is why we ask people to defend what they introduce here.''.
Yea... you ask people to back their claims up.. never mind the rest... they can say whatever they like...
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You here that guys... you can go into any thread you like and say what you like... doesn't matter whose thread it is... just go right in there, and any claim you make, it's all on the OP...
/.. what a rule!
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I don't think I've ever seen a few thoughts spread out over so many posts! Carry on like this and you'll reach Kilopi by summer, and Bad Post Doc by Christmas!
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If you think this is happening, you are perceiving things differently to me.
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Yah no... reply... Why is that... you all keep passing the buck... I'll make sure I make my presence known here... You can't get away with bending the rules like you have. You can't have someone have their own views meshed into someone elses like you have... and surely many have seen this... even my first impressions of this place where terrible... orders and rules handed out... now I realize you all make them as you go along... even those who are colorblind, you won't even revoke infractions on the fact of making a mistake, never mind making a mistake in thread... stubborn mods...
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Do you> Do you even know what has happened within the last 2 hours?
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Let me rehash it all for you. I have been infracted for being colorblind, which hasn't been lifted. At the same time, my thread was closed on an attempt to pass the buck concerning my own thread since it was someone elses assertions I was baited to prove, and now with honest attempts to reopen it, it's all just shoved back in my face.
Lovely moderation we have here.
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