Is this true? [area 51, Art Bell, aliens ...]

[elizabeth25]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFRKJ...eature=related

Has anybody seen this? what are your thoughts on this?

There is a guy who says he was working at area 51 in 1997 when talking to show host Art Bell, what do you think about this conversation?, i kinda think its true, theres something in the tone of the callers voice for me not to think that it is a hoax.

Also in the video are more images of strange lights seen in the sky from all around the world,

Now, although NASA has told us that we have not been contacted or visited by aliens, i really think they are hiding something, does anyone else not think its strange that people from all over the world are seeing strange lights, videoing these lights, and get told that they are military planes or some other sort.

The video of the light in Jerusalem, what was that big flash that came from it? the only thing that i thought of at the time was like the flash of a camera? then it whizzes away.

Ive had my share of seeing strange lights too, i have 2 threads explaining what i saw.

Personally i find its impossible to think that we are alone in the universe, I believe we have been visited by alien life.

[NEOWatcher]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFRKJ...eature=related
Has anybody seen this? what are your thoughts on this?

Garbage media hype.
This is just somebody taking INITIAL reports from the media before people actually did any kind of questioning and only publishing what they want to publish.
Clouds, rockets, birds, hoaxes, flares, contrails, landing lights... You name it. They put them all in one package.

area 51 in 1997 when talking to show host Art Bell, what do you think about this conversation? ... Also in the video are more images of strange lights seen in the sky from all around the world, Now, although NASA...

This is one thing that I am always questioning it. If these things are global things, then how can NASA or the men in black keep this a secret. How can every country in the world be supressed by the US?

Personally i find its impossible to think that we are alone in the universe, I believe we have been visited by alien life.

I think the former is possible, but physics makes the latter nearly impossible.

[Rhaedas]

The Jerusalem light, if it's the recent one that I think it is, was debunked by using what seemed to give it credibility. There were supposedly multiple witnesses who videoed the event. Unfortunate for the hoaxer, they didn't time each video very well, so looking at them side by side, you can tell that the light itself must have been added in later to each.

But in general, NEOWatcher's points are valid, especially anyone being able to keep secrets for long. We can't seem to do that for ordinary things, how would extra-ordinary things not leak out?

[Space Chimp]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFRKJ...eature=related

Also in the video are more images of strange lights seen in the sky from all around the world,

I'm 50 years old. I was hearing about people seeing strange unexplainable lights all over the world when I was a kid. The pulp UFO paperbacks put out back then made it sound as if the earth's atmosphere was awash with them. So 40 years later and we're no further on with an ET connection? That passage of time tells me that the lights are mundane phenomenon or aircraft of some sort. I find it revealing that in a world awash with video cameras and I-phones that we're no further along than vague "lights in the sky."

[Bobbar]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFRKJ...eature=related

Has anybody seen this? what are your thoughts on this?

There is a guy who says he was working at area 51 in 1997 when talking to show host Art Bell, what do you think about this conversation?, i kinda think its true, theres something in the tone of the callers voice for me not to think that it is a hoax.

To me it just sounds like a poorly over-acted skit. It's common for radio shows to hire a service that calls in to perform scripted calls. For example, the FCC banned 'prank calls' on the radio. So these days, anytime you hear a prank call on the radio, it's really just a skit with hired actors.

Also in the video are more images of strange lights seen in the sky from all around the world,

I think I've seen everyone of those video before, pretty much all of them have been explained. I saw long exposures of landing aircraft and spotlights, Rocket plumes at the edge of space (the most common phenomenon in that video), the infamous Chinese lantern release party, Aerobatic airplanes with pyrotechnics putting on a night show, punch hole clouds, and a few known hoaxes.

Now, although NASA has told us that we have not been contacted or visited by aliens, i really think they are hiding something, does anyone else not think its strange that people from all over the world are seeing strange lights, videoing these lights, and get told that they are military planes or some other sort.

Not at all. Because, the majority of them are.

The video of the light in Jerusalem, what was that big flash that came from it? the only thing that i thought of at the time was like the flash of a camera? then it whizzes away.

Known hoax.

Ive had my share of seeing strange lights too, i have 2 threads explaining what i saw.

Explanations alone are tough to go by. Pictures are much better. But why, in this day and age, when everyone and their mom literally has a snap-shot camera/camcorder on them at all times, are there so few images?

Personally i find its impossible to think that we are alone in the universe, I believe we have been visited by alien life.

It sure seems pretty likely, that somewhere else in the universe there is life. But, the universe is quite large and its regions are not only separated by distance but time as well. At least on our planet, life doesn't stick around for very long. How many extinctions did the planet go through before a self-aware organism finally evolved? It's just as likely that life in one place has already come and gone, and in another it has yet to arise. Then there's life that never evolves into intelligent organisms. There are so many variables it's impossible to say for sure that we are not alone.

I chose to believe that we have never been visited by alien life. And that's where I will stay until something far, far, far more tangible than videos on YouTube and hysterical radio show callers comes along.

[Gillianren]

I don't even think of it as choosing to believe that we've never been visited by extraterrestrial intelligence. It's that I've never seen any convincing evidence. It might have happened, but if it did, the aliens didn't leave anything that couldn't be explained equally well by a whole long list of other, more mundane, events.

[NEOWatcher]

It might have happened, but if it did...

Which brings me to another point.
65 years since "the" Roswell incident, and we haven't been invaded or have anything major happen except for a few prankster aliens.
If I do ever see one, I'll just wave and say "thank you for visiting".

[Luckmeister]

There is a guy who says he was working at area 51 in 1997 when talking to show host Art Bell, what do you think about this conversation?, i kinda think its true, theres something in the tone of the callers voice for me not to think that it is a hoax.

So you consider the tone of someone's voice credible evidence for an extraordinary claim? Actors can acheive a very credible tone; so can delusional people who totally believe their fantasy. Am I to believe you can reliably determine truth simply by the tone of one's voice? If so, you have a rare and highly valuable talent.

[R.A.F.]

So you consider the tone of someone's voice credible evidence for an extraordinary claim?

Although I highly respect the Meister of luck's opinion, I would have asked the question slightly differently...


Elizabeth...Why would you consider the tone of someone's voice as credible evidence for an extraordinary claim??



As I said...only slightly different...mainly because of my confrontational nature.

[NGCHunter]

Also in the video are more images of strange lights seen in the sky from all around the world,

We see long exposures of helicopters made while the choppers were shining their spotlights.
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/through...ach/722119705/
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Then later we see the upper stage of a rocket continuing its burn; it has direct line of sight to the sun, lighting up its exhaust while the ground is still in twilight and quite dark. I've seen a similar effect with the shuttle before. Then we see the norway spiral, which is another rocket launch, this time a Bulava ICBM that failed at the third stage and spiraled. Then we see the first flight of the Falcon 9 engine restart test that occurred over Australia. I gave up at that point. Thought this had something to do with Art Bell and area 51, guess I was wrong.

[Luckmeister]

Although I highly respect the Meister of luck's opinion, I would have asked the question slightly differently...


Elizabeth...Why would you consider the tone of someone's voice as credible evidence for an extraordinary claim??



As I said...only slightly different...mainly because of my confrontational nature.

Well, you're asking for more than just a yes or no answer so I like your phrasing better.

[R.A.F.]

Had lots of "cutesy" answers, but yeah...your questioning "method" is sound.

[lok32]

"There is a guy who says he was working at area 51 in 1997 when talking to show host Art Bell"

Hey Elizabeth25, if your talking about the guy that sounds like he's expecting people to burst through his door at any second and execute him then yes I believe there was something dark and bad going on behind this guys call, no ones that good at acting! he sounds terrified.

As for how they keep things quiet within organizations they do it by group pressure and fear "no one else that works here talks about this stuff, and if you do you'll loose you're job. . . and maybe be prosecuted, or worse. . . " people are easy to control in a group if they believe everything they are told.

A classic example of this is an airline pilot who was fired because he discussed a ufo sighting on a tv interview, the main reason he was fired was because he was wearing his company uniform when he spoke on the interview.

I'm not sure why but I think with UFO's we have all been handed a big lie to keep peoples attention from it, sometimes people tell you a white lie to save your feelings or whatever but usually people lie because there is something bad they don't want you to know about.

[Swift]

"There is a guy who says he was working at area 51 in 1997 when talking to show host Art Bell"

Hey Elizabeth25, if your talking about the guy that sounds like he's expecting people to burst through his door at any second and execute him then yes I believe there was something dark and bad going on behind this guys call, no ones that good at acting! he sounds terrified.

As for how they keep things quiet within organizations they do it by group pressure and fear "no one else that works here talks about this stuff, and if you do you'll loose you're job. . . and maybe be prosecuted, or worse. . . " people are easy to control in a group if they believe everything they are told.

A classic example of this is an airline pilot who was fired because he discussed a ufo sighting on a tv interview, the main reason he was fired was because he was wearing his company uniform when he spoke on the interview.

I'm not sure why but I think with UFO's we have all been handed a big lie to keep peoples attention from it, sometimes people tell you a white lie to save your feelings or whatever but usually people lie because there is something bad they don't want you to know about.

lok32,

One of the purposes of the Conspiracy Theory forum is for people to ask questions about conspiracies and get mainstream answers to those questions. You are not giving a mainstream answer, you are advocating a conspiracy. That is also an accepted use of the CT forum, but not in this thread, this thread is for answers to Elizabeth25's question.

I do not want you to post any more such comments in this thread (and I ask others not to respond to lok32's post). If you want to post anything further along the lines of that post, you must start your own thread in the CT forum.

I would also strongly suggest you read the Advice for Conspiracy Theory Supporters, and our Rules (which are linked in that).

[lok32]

Apologies Swift, I'll have a read through the Advice for Conspiracy Theory Supporters so I don't do this again.

I'm a little confused though by what you call a "Mainstream" answer, you seem to be saying that people can ask any sort of question but only answer in a very narrow way? I'm guessing it's to stop wild speculations and ridiculous threads, anyway I'll have a read through the Advice.

[Gillianren]

People are allowed to provide answers which conform to the current state of scientific information. This may seem restrictive to you; technically, of course, it is. But that's the kind of board this is--one based on the principles of science.

[lok32]

We do cling to the old ways as a species, even when they are being overtaken with new information, I will be more careful how I answer threads of this type in future though, however I can't promise I'll always be aware what conforms to the current state of scientific information, and usually the current state is "weather balloons, swamp gas or headlights reflecting of Venus" . . . Plausible

[chrlzs]

Just curious - can you point out the last time that "weather balloons, swamp gas or headlights reflecting off Venus" were actually, and incorrectly, used?

[quotation]

People are allowed to provide answers which conform to the current state of scientific information. This may seem restrictive to you; technically, of course, it is. But that's the kind of board this is--one based on the principles of science.

In that case the answer becomes clear: your garden variety intra-galactic traveler has obviously mastered the manipulation of dark matter/energy, which is why we never see them

[Swift]

In that case the answer becomes clear: your garden variety intra-galactic traveler has obviously mastered the manipulation of dark matter/energy, which is why we never see them

Or the use of an SEP Field.

[Daggerstab]

Everyone can call a radio show and pretend to be something. On YouTube there's a clip of someone calling Coast to Coast and pretending to be Gordon Freeman (the protagonist of the Half-Life series of computer games). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biqnL84l85s (I'm not sure if this was an actual call, though. )

[lok32]

Just curious - can you point out the last time that "weather balloons, swamp gas or headlights reflecting off Venus" were actually, and incorrectly, used?

Heard the Venus one (not with headlights) used on a news clip which was only about a year old.

[Gillianren]

But was it incorrect? After all, people do misidentify Venus all the time. We know this to be true, because there are demonstrable examples of it. One appears in its own thread, in fact, where everyone acknowledges that a pilot mistook Venus for a plane.

[Jeff Root]

I saw a bright red light in the sky that puzzled me while
riding home with friends from a trip to Iowa. I watched it
for a couple of minutes before asking the guy in the seat
ahead of me, who has been the president of the Minnesota
Astronomical Society for umpteen years. Also president of
the Minnesota Space Frontier Society. Also a pilot. Also
has a degree in meteorology. He looked at it for another
half minute and said, "Aircraft on final." Final approach to
where? We weren't anywhere near any airport I knew of.
After a while the red light gradually lost its redness. We
stopped and looked at it through his binoculars. I couldn't
hold the binoculars steady enough to tell, but he said he
could see the crescent shape. Venus. It was red at first
because of dust in the upper atmosphere from recent
eruptions of Mount Pinatubo in the Philipines. And I was
thrown by the fact that it was much later than I thought.
I thought it was about 1 AM. Venus can't be up at 1 AM.
It was actually after 4 AM.

-- Jeff, in Minneapolis

[publiusr]

Now I seem to remember a documentary where lightning researchers used a UFO researcher's computer program that was hooked up to a camera in order to study sprites, elves, etc.
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releas...-ase022309.php

So it's nice that people are looking up. Smart phones however keep folks looking down--and there aren't a lot of folks who spend as much time working out of doors--so they can get fooled easily.

[glappkaeft]

So it's nice that people are looking up. Smart phones however keep folks looking down--and there aren't a lot of folks who spend as much time working out of doors--so they can get fooled easily.

Yeah. I'm amazed that there are grownup people who don't know that the moon is visible during the daytime. In fact last week I walked past a woman just as she discovered the daytime moon.

[Abaddon]

Yeah. I'm amazed that there are grownup people who don't know that the moon is visible during the daytime. In fact last week I walked past a woman just as she discovered the daytime moon.

About a week ago or so, (not sure which day) I pointed this out to my kids, and they were "yeah, sure, seen it before, interesting but no biggy"

If anyone thinks that you cannot see the moon in daylight, they need their head examining. Why can my 6 and 9 year old see it yet the woo's cannot and think it is something new? IIRC there is some dude over at AH who thinks the moon emits light. I fail to understand this level of woo.

[Selenite]

There's been a run of threads in some of the woo forums about the moon being out of position, tilted, smaller than it should be, larger than it should be, the wrong color, etc. It all seems to add up to a lot of very poor observation skills. Maybe it just points out how divorced modern people have become from noticing the subtle cycles of nature.

My favorite was the guy who seemed to think the entire sky was a hologram projected to fool us. He discovered this fact because the "powers that be" made the stars twinkle and forgot to make the sun and moon do the same.

[Swift]

My favorite was the guy who seemed to think the entire sky was a hologram projected to fool us. He discovered this fact because the "powers that be" made the stars twinkle and forgot to make the sun and moon do the same.

Yes, the song "Twinkle, twinkle little star" wasn't written until after the invention of the full sky hologram.

[cjameshuff]

If anyone thinks that you cannot see the moon in daylight, they need their head examining. Why can my 6 and 9 year old see it yet the woo's cannot and think it is something new? IIRC there is some dude over at AH who thinks the moon emits light. I fail to understand this level of woo.

And apparently, that it is very cold and wet there, and snows monthly.

My favorite was the guy who seemed to think the entire sky was a hologram projected to fool us. He discovered this fact because the "powers that be" made the stars twinkle and forgot to make the sun and moon do the same.

What about the guy who had arrays of space-warping satellites using alien technology put into orbit around the Earth and moon to deflect radio signals from Earth, making them appear to Earth-based observers to come from the moon so they could fake the moon landing?

http://www.bautforum.com/showthread....28#post1382028