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    Quote Originally Posted by Luckmeister View Post
    When I look at it honestly, I realize that I do fear nonexistence. Yes, it's an irrational fear but seems to be tied up with our egos. I think that's the main reason the thought of an afterlife is so appealing to so many. But my respect for logic and science won't let me adopt that kind of belief.
    Yes and yes. I seem to recall the term "ego death" to describe what you are describing.
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    I settled the fear death thing with myself when I was a teenager.
    My conclusion was it will happen, I hoped all my close relations will find some peace (and recently with kids and all.... financial peace also).
    All is just a free trip around the sun. All this talk about death and achieving your goal reminds me of: "My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
    Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!"

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    Originally Posted by Luckmeister
    When I look at it honestly, I realize that I do fear nonexistence. Yes, it's an irrational fear but seems to be tied up with our egos. I think that's the main reason the thought of an afterlife is so appealing to so many. But my respect for logic and science won't let me adopt that kind of belief
    Quote Originally Posted by Swift View Post
    Yes and yes. I seem to recall the term "ego death" to describe what you are describing.
    Another good reason to read Carl Jung. The ego is only part of the overall Self. Actually the ego's proper place is as a satellite to the Self; as if ego were Earth and Self the sun. The Self meaning wholeness; emotional and psychological health.

    When individuation (maturation of the Self) is achieved the ego is in its proper place as *satellite*, and the Self doesn't fear death.

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    Im not afraid of dying. I just regret not being here when the cool stuff happens [Fusion, Mars colonization, the cure of cancer, the first ET message and so on]. The current times are boring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Argos View Post
    Im not afraid of dying. I just regret not being here when the cool stuff happens [Fusion, Mars colonization, the cure of cancer, the first ET message and so on]. The current times are boring.
    I get your point. I frequently lament that I may not be here when certain scientific breakthroughs happen.

    But current times boring? That depends on what you're into. To people working in nanotech, genome or robotics fields, this is hardly a boring time, whereas for manned-space enthusiasts, we're in a frustrating lull. Overall, I think as many groundbreaking discoveries are in process now as most times in the past, and with today's efficiency of communications, we are more aware of them as they happen than people were in the past.

    If we are bored by not receiving the first ET message, we may be bored for a long long time.
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    I have thought about this too. I would love to see how the future will develop and i wonder what the world will be like in 500 years time.
    It is frustrating to know i will not see any of this !
    Far away is close at hand in images of elsewhere...

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    Luckmeister, that was partly tongue-in-cheek.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Argos View Post
    Luckmeister, that was partly tongue-in-cheek.
    Yeah I kinda figured that. We need a good TIC smiley. The wink or roll-eyes don't quite cut it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kevin1981 View Post
    I have thought about this too. I would love to see how the future will develop and i wonder what the world will be like in 500 years time.
    It is frustrating to know i will not see any of this !
    Just adopt a religion that believes in reincarnation and that won't be a problem (insert proposed tongue-in-cheek smiley here).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Argos View Post
    Im not afraid of dying. I just regret not being here when the cool stuff happens [Fusion, Mars colonization, the cure of cancer, the first ET message and so on]. The current times are boring.
    Me too. But I'm glad I was here, watching, when (a) man first took one small step on the moon. I'd like to think that in the 25th century, if we make it that long, that'll be pretty much the only event from the 20th to be remembered.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
    Me too. But I'm glad I was here, watching, when (a) man first took one small step on the moon. I'd like to think that in the 25th century, if we make it that long, that'll be pretty much the only event from the 20th to be remembered.
    Nope, they're bound to remember your pumpkin being the first to reach one mile.

    ETA: Oh wait -- that'll be the 21st century.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luckmeister View Post
    Just adopt a religion that believes in reincarnation and that won't be a problem (insert proposed tongue-in-cheek smiley here).
    Good idea, plus I'll have myself frozen as a backup. Of course, both might work resulting in legal problems later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck View Post
    Good idea, plus I'll have myself frozen as a backup. Of course, both might work resulting in legal problems later.
    Just remember to will all your possessions to yourself.
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    Theres just gotta be a 'like' button here, hehe.

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    About 18 years ago my liver crashed hard over the course of three days and I really thought I was on the the exit ramp of the Highway of Life. Never really got the illusion of immortality back quite the same way. And the two times I was mistakinly diagnosed with a terminal condition, which wasn't counter diagnosed for weeks, if not months later, I got really calm after an intial two or three days of angst.

    On the other hand, and I never knew this until it happened, I'm the kind of man who'll curse you until the air is blue if you stick a loaded .45 Bisley in my face. Of course I was already mad at him and he probably did the right thing as I was about to descend upon him like the Wrath of God. (The coward!) Shoot, I was still going for him but I had three big movers holding me back, one on each arm and one around my neck, because they saw the trouble coming.

    I'm getting mad just thinking about it again.
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    I'm not afraid of death, but I have a concern, or even a fear, of the method.

    I've had to assess the hazards in how I make my living, and I really do not want to be killed by any of the following:
    Traffic accident,
    Mauling by bear or cougar,
    Impaled by stumbling and falling onto a hard, dry, pointy limb,
    Drowning by falling into raging stream,
    Being struck by a falling tree (windy today, and thus I stayed at home).

    Every day when I go to the field I think about what might go wrong and prevent me from getting home safely.

    And I'd be really angry if I were diagnosed with a terminal disease at this point in my life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Torsten View Post
    I'm not afraid of death, but I have a concern, or even a fear, of the method...
    And I'd be really angry if I were diagnosed with a terminal disease at this point in my life.
    I have two distinct fears of how I'd go, but don't want to even list them.

    I'm thinking of the teenager in Florida who was recently shot and killed by a stupid and over-zealous "neighborhood watch" idiot. That's an unspeakable tragedy, senseless and so stupid...and it's "always someone else" the victim. But it could be you or me.

    When I do kick the bucket, I hope it's via (quick/relatively painless) natural cause or (quick/painless) accident. For someone else to get all judgmental and decide I deserve to die because they're stupid or bigoted/whatever...that makes me angry, just thinking of it. We like to think we're so in control of our lives; well that might be arbitrarily "given" to someone else.

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    Torsten, I honestly think you would persevere over a cougar.

    In California we don't hunt them and the cougars forgot why they should be afraid of us. Now they eat one or two old ladies on bird watching hikes every year or so. Point Reyes and Monterey and Santa Cruz counties.

    This concerns me so I read the reports.

    On the other hand I'm assuming you're a male of at least 200 pounds...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Argos View Post
    Theres just gotta be a 'like' button here, hehe.
    Ask and ye shall receive. Just click on the link.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Torsten View Post
    I'm not afraid of death, but I have a concern, or even a fear, of the method.

    I've had to assess the hazards in how I make my living, and I really do not want to be killed by any of the following:
    Traffic accident,
    Mauling by bear or cougar,
    Impaled by stumbling and falling onto a hard, dry, pointy limb,
    Drowning by falling into raging stream,
    Being struck by a falling tree (windy today, and thus I stayed at home).

    Every day when I go to the field I think about what might go wrong and prevent me from getting home safely.

    And I'd be really angry if I were diagnosed with a terminal disease at this point in my life.
    To me, almost any of those would be better than lingering for a long time in a near-vegetative state, in pain, and with nothing you can do about it.
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    Oops, wrong thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buttercup View Post
    I'm thinking of the teenager in Florida who was recently shot and killed by a stupid and over-zealous "neighborhood watch" idiot. That's an unspeakable tragedy, senseless and so stupid...and it's "always someone else" the victim. But it could be you or me.
    "Carrying a bag of Skittles and an ice tea." Could have been anyone's kid. Senseless and stupid, for sure, and very difficult to remain calm upon hearing that.

    Quote Originally Posted by BigDon View Post
    Torsten, I honestly think you would persevere over a cougar.
    You're probably right. I've read a few reports of people being attacked and chasing off the cat, and in one case of an older man killing the animal with a knife. I just imagine it somehow going wrong, but I'm sure I wouldn't go down without a fight unless it came out of a tree and got me down first. But the bigger hazard for me in this part of the world are bear encounters.

    On the other hand I'm assuming you're a male of at least 200 pounds...
    Yep, back to a few pounds either side of it. Managed to trim off 25 pounds in the last year, mostly by reducing portions and cutting out snacks in the evening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
    To me, almost any of those would be better than lingering for a long time in a near-vegetative state, in pain, and with nothing you can do about it.
    One of the reasons I'd be angry of the terminal illness: the thought of it ending that way.

    I think part of the reason for the workplace hazards being on that list is that they stem from the effort to make a living (most of my driving is work related).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Torsten View Post
    Yep, back to a few pounds either side of it. Managed to trim off 25 pounds in the last year, mostly by reducing portions and cutting out snacks in the evening.
    You can never tell.

    I've met quite a few female foresters in my day who were perfectly snack sized.

    For cougars, that is. (Myself, I haven't eaten anybody in over ten years.)


    On the other hand, how is it I wouldn't have nearly the same level of confedence in a leopard encounter? Leopards only average a little heavier than cougars but are a whole other smoke.
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    Live Long and Prosper

    My apologies, I've said this before. We will probably all die. But our children may not. And our children's children almost certainly will not.

    Keep up that medical research. And population control. And nuclear non-proliferation. And go for extra terrestial colonies.

    If we can leave this legacy, I fear not.

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    I'm from Montana. What is this "cougar" of which you speak? Is it anything like a mountain lion?
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Mendenhall View Post
    We will probably all die.
    Probably????

    But our children may not. And our children's children almost certainly will not.
    The only reason immortality appeals to people is because of the existance of death...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Argos View Post
    I just regret not being here when the cool stuff happens [Fusion, Mars colonization, the cure of cancer, the first ET message and so on].
    That is only one "side of the coin". There will be lots of un-cool stuff happening too, and I don't regret missing any of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Torsten View Post
    One of the reasons I'd be angry of the terminal illness: the thought of it ending that way.
    Prostate cancer. It usually hits older men, and most of them die from other causes.

    I used to have this fantasy that at the age of 95 I would be shot to death by the jealous husband of a 20-yo. By mistake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim View Post
    Prostate cancer. It usually hits older men, and most of them die from other causes.

    I used to have this fantasy that at the age of 95 I would be shot to death by the jealous husband of a 20-yo. By mistake.
    A lingering painful death can result from a gunshot wound. I'd prefer a grand piano dropped from 10 stories up where all I'd experience is the beginning of a very discordant crescendo.
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