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    Why NASA has never returned to The Moon?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uagbZ...eature=related
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbhLa...eature=related

    I've just seen these videos and I wonder what do you think about it? These videos to me seem that they aren't true but then, what is the real truth? Why haven't they returned to The Moon since 1969.? Answer me, I want to hear your opinions why NASA has never returned to The Moon.
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    There have been many more missions to the moon, just not manned. There has been no overwhelming scientific, economic or political reason to justify it. It is perhaps a more valid question to ask, why was the Apollo project created in the first place? It was almost entirely political.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strange View Post
    There have been many more missions to the moon, just not manned. There has been no overwhelming scientific, economic or political reason to justify it. It is perhaps a more valid question to ask, why was the Apollo project created in the first place? It was almost entirely political.
    I am aware of the other missions to the moon which are not manned, but my question is why aren't they manned? There are probably lots of men who are willing to set foot onto the Moon's surface like Niel did, but NASA apparently won't let them because of something. And that something, according to these videos, are aliens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matej Velko View Post
    why aren't they manned?
    Manned missions are a lot more expensive and complex. There ROI is not considered great enough.

    And that something, according to these videos, are aliens.
    As it is on YouTube, I assumed it would be something moronic like that so I wouldn't have looked even if I could.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strange View Post
    As it is on YouTube, I assumed it would be something moronic like that so I wouldn't have looked even if I could.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matej Velko View Post
    I am aware of the other missions to the moon which are not manned, but my question is why aren't they manned? There are probably lots of men who are willing to set foot onto the Moon's surface like Niel did, but NASA apparently won't let them because of something.
    Nobody willing to give them the [expletive] load of money needed for that.

    It's not as if they have their own diamond mines.

    NASA policies and funding are set by the White House and Congress.
    All NASA can do is make suggestions.

    Politically the US pretty much lost interest in the Moon as soon as Apollo XI returned safely.
    It's not as if most of them supported funding that project because they were big fans of the idea of manned space travel anyway.
    They were mostly interested in the political profit (national and geo-) to be made from it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matej Velko View Post
    I am aware of the other missions to the moon which are not manned, but my question is why aren't they manned?
    Because they don't have life support systems? Because they do not return to Earth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Matej Velko View Post
    There are probably lots of men who are willing to set foot onto the Moon's surface like Niel did, but NASA apparently won't let them because of something. And that something, according to these videos, are aliens.
    It's like the map makers of past centuries putting "Here there be dragons" in unexplored parts of the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by korjik View Post
    The same thing goes with spacecraft technology. We have the capability to send men into deep space, but even a trip to the moon is extremely risky. Some day in the future, maybe distant future, space travel will be far less risky, and people will do it all the time.
    If you replace "risky" with "costly", you get an equally valid reason why there has been no manned return to the moon since the Apollo program.

    Quote Originally Posted by Matej Velko View Post
    There are probably lots of men who are willing to set foot onto the Moon's surface...
    I agree. Do you know anyone who is willing to foot the bill? To quote Gus Grissom, "No bucks, no Buck Rogers."
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    1. Money.
    2. Political will.
    3. We already won the race to the moon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matej Velko View Post
    to set foot onto the Moon's surface like Niel did
    Neil. But you knew that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matej Velko View Post
    Why haven't they returned to The Moon since 1969.? Answer me, I want to hear your opinions why NASA has never returned to The Moon.
    They did return five more times, four of which were in 1971 and 1972.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BertL View Post
    They did return five more times, four of which were in 1971 and 1972.
    Yes I know they did return but not with MEN
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matej Velko View Post
    Yes I know they did return but not with MEN
    Sorry, what?

    Apollo 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, and 17 were all manned flights. That's 6 return flights, all manned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abaddon View Post
    Sorry, what?

    Apollo 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, and 17 were all manned flights. That's 6 return flights, all manned.
    To be fair, the OP said "since 1969". So Apollo 12 drops off the list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NEOWatcher View Post
    To be fair, the OP said "since 1969". So Apollo 12 drops off the list.
    Fair enough, but the point still stands.

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    They most certainly did. Men continued landing on the moon until 1972.

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    As yourself another question, why would man continue to go back to the moon for short duration walkabouts and science missions when robotic probes are almost as capable?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mellow View Post
    As yourself another question, why would man continue to go back to the moon for short duration walkabouts and science missions when robotic probes are almost as capable?
    Yes, thank you, I see the point now. So I guess when men will be able to land on Mars it will be the 1st and the last time, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matej Velko View Post
    Yes, thank you, I see the point now. So I guess when men will be able to land on Mars it will be the 1st and the last time, right?
    The first submarine was built in 1620. The first use of a submarine in warfare was in 1776. Yet it wasnt until after 1900 that the submarine became a viable bit of technology.

    The same thing goes with spacecraft technology. We have the capability to send men into deep space, but even a trip to the moon is extremely risky. Some day in the future, maybe distant future, space travel will be far less risky, and people will do it all the time.

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    Matej; Let me ask you this.
    The Soviets were on the cusp of being able to land a man on the moon.
    Why did they never follow through?
    I'm sure all the same answers could be said of NASA not returning.

    Quote Originally Posted by Matej Velko View Post
    Yes, thank you, I see the point now. So I guess when men will be able to land on Mars it will be the 1st and the last time, right?
    Unfortunately, knowing the way funding goes, I would worry about that happening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matej Velko View Post
    Yes, thank you, I see the point now. So I guess when men will be able to land on Mars it will be the 1st and the last time, right?
    If it's a repeat of Apollo then there will be five or six times after that, then maybe that'll be the last.

    You were aware there were six successful moon landings, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glom View Post
    You were aware there were six successful moon landings, right?
    Clearly not, no.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matej Velko View Post
    Yes, thank you, I see the point now. So I guess when men will be able to land on Mars it will be the 1st and the last time, right?
    Not necessarily! Not necessarily at all. It all depends on what folks like us can do to convince people of its inherent awesomeness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matej Velko View Post
    Yes, thank you, I see the point now. So I guess when men will be able to land on Mars it will be the 1st and the last time, right?
    Only if it is a "flags and footprints" mission. That's why I'm against flags and footprints missions, actually. When we go there, we should go there for more than just to say we did it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Van Rijn View Post
    Only if it is a "flags and footprints" mission. That's why I'm against flags and footprints missions, actually. When we go there, we should go there for more than just to say we did it.
    I do agree with that, but look at history and many great 'firsts', here are a few listed:

    - Christopher Columbus sailing 'off the edge of the world' to get to India (or was it China?) and found the West Indies and that led to European civilisations 'discovering' America.

    - Scott and Amundsen racing to the South Pole

    - Edmund Hilary climbing Mount Everest

    - 'Chuck' Yeager breaking the sound barrier (did have something of a secretive military interest admitedly)

    - Land Speed records

    I would suggest all (or most) these things were done as much as a 'plant the flag' exercise as anything. Being somewhat cynical, and knowing how we as mankind, or at least individual countries work these things, I would guess the FIRST Mars mission would pretty much be this kind of exercise. Anything after that may involve more science, if funding is still seen as viable 'because as we have already been there, why spend more going again?' ......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skyfire View Post
    - Christopher Columbus sailing 'off the edge of the world' to get to India (or was it China?) and found the West Indies and that led to European civilisations 'discovering' America.

    Of course, the American Indians had already 'discovered' the continent they lived on, the moment each of them was born ..... unless of course there was some far greater conspiracy going on ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skyfire View Post
    - Christopher Columbus sailing 'off the edge of the world' to get to India (or was it China?) and found the West Indies and that led to European civilisations 'discovering' America.
    This had been planned as the beginning of trade missions from the outset. The reason he was able to get financing at all was that the Spanish crown thought they'd be able to cut the Portuguese out of their trade route by going a faster way. Definitely not "flags and footprints."
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    Money and a lack of interest by the taxing paying and voting public. The end of the cold war with the Soviets took away one big motivation.
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    Answer me, I want to hear your opinions why NASA has never returned to The Moon.
    For the same reason they never sent a man to Mars. They got their budget trimmed and priorities changed. The Soviets never went for much the same reason.

    Why would aliens be hanging out on the moon when there is a far more interesting planet next door?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matej Velko View Post
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uagbZ...eature=related
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbhLa...eature=related

    I've just seen these videos and I wonder what do you think about it? These videos to me seem that they aren't true but then, what is the real truth? Why haven't they returned to The Moon since 1969.? Answer me, I want to hear your opinions why NASA has never returned to The Moon.
    Hi Matej

    I suppose this is only the precursor to the question whether NASA did manage a landing at all. However, ample reasons have been given therefore I'd like you to reflect and, if possible, to answer the following questions:

    #1 why did we visit the Marianna trench only once?
    #2 why did the Zeppelin land in Lakehurst only twice?
    #3 why has the Namcha Barwa (7782 m - about a kilometer less than Mount Everest) only be climbed once?
    #4 why has the Wankel internal combustion engine been utilised only in one car type?

    If to any of the questions above the answer is "impossible" then we'll need to rewrite our history.

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