why only USA?

[Gomar]

I would like to know why do UFOs always choose to crash land only in the USA? What's wrong with
crashing in Mongolia, or Japan, or Samoa, or Ireland once in a while? Why Roswell, not Beijing or Siberia?
Why do aliens only abduct Americans? Mostly women no less! Oh, and let's not forget American cow
mutilations.
Now, yes, crop circles seem to occur only in England. And the pyramids were built in Egypt.
Do aliens have it in for the USA, or do other governments just keep their UFO incidents under top secret?

[grapes]

I would like to know why do UFOs always choose to crash land only in the USA? What's wrong with
crashing in Mongolia, or Japan, or Samoa, or Ireland once in a while? Why Roswell, not Beijing or Siberia?
Why do aliens only abduct Americans? Mostly women no less! Oh, and let's not forget American cow
mutilations.

::snip:;

do other governments just keep their UFO incidents under top secret?

Funny! But I googled the first item on your list (UFO Mongolia) and came up with this:
http://content.usatoday.com/communit...l-a-mystery-/1

So, I guess we just haven't looked for them yet.

[ravens_cry]

Well, I have read claims, claims mind, I am not saying I agree with them, that the Tunguska event was an exploding alien spacecraft.
Even if not true, it still means such alleged events don't just allegedly happen in the United States of America.

[HenrikOlsen]

US press reports US stories. What's strange about that?

[Space Chimp]

If I recall some of our more recent UFO threads here on BAUT regarded alleged incidents of fighter jets chasing UFOs over Peru and Iran. I remember the tabloids used to love to report UFO incidents out of the old Soviet Union. Probably because they knew anyone attempting to get verification on such a story would be in for a bureaucratic nightmare.

[Paul Beardsley]

Well according to the documentary series Doctor Who, they land almost exclusively in London and Cardiff.

[Buttercup]

My guess is the aliens are checking to see if they can spot Elvis in a convenience store.

[Swift]

My guess is the aliens are checking to see if they can spot Elvis in a convenience store.

More likely Elvis, the alien, is returning to Earthly convenience stores to get some snacks (you can't get good Almond Joys on Tau Ceti III).

[FarmMarsNow]

Don't assume Elvis is in the USA, and Doctor Who is only a TV show. I need to see the Christmas Special somehow.

[Buttercup]

More likely Elvis, the alien, is returning to Earthly convenience stores to get some snacks (you can't get good Almond Joys on Tau Ceti III).

Oh my gosh; that didn't occur to me.

I'm sure you're right, Swift.

[Garrison]

There's also all the 'ancient astronaut' claims as well and who could forget the Rendlesham Forest incident right here in the UK?

[Garrison]

Don't assume Elvis is in the USA, and Doctor Who is only a TV show. I need to see the Christmas Special somehow.

If you can't figure out how to do that you must be an alien...

[dgavin]

Maybe it has something to do with USA's developing flirtation with various psycotropic substances in the 1960's that continues to a lesser degree these days?

[slang]

Do aliens have it in for the USA, or do other governments just keep their UFO incidents under top secret?

Wait.. what? I thought it was always the USA government being accused of "keeping their UFO incidents under top secret"...

[NEOWatcher]

Wait.. what? I thought it was always the USA government being accused of "keeping their UFO incidents under top secret"...

The USA government is too sloppy to keep thier "top secret" stuff secret. Everyone else is able to keep thier mouth shut.

[Buttercup]

Oh, and let's not forget American cow
mutilations.

Beef. It's what's for dinner.

Or it could be aliens hoping (for whatever reason) more humans will begin eating poultry and pork.

Now, yes, crop circles seem to occur only in England.

It's due to all the faeries, sprites, and elves. Not UFO aliens.

[Noclevername]

The aliens are doing a 10,000 year world tour, and we're just the next country on their list.

[Abaddon]

Please consider this a formal question - what evidence can you cite showing that:
a - any kidnapping actually took place
b - extra terrestrials exist
c - extra terrestrials were responsible for the claimed kidnapping

Naturally you will have references.. but please make sure they refer back to original, verifiable and reputable sources, like a recognised medical or science journal. (Hint - reputable sources would *not* include Jaime Maussan or similar..)

Thanks in advance.

Added:
BTW, if anyone is genuinely interested in why South America, esp Brazil, was a ufo hotspot, try this link for an alternative viewpoint:

I vividly recall watching a UFO program where the reflection of a single light with a conical shade in a window was offered as a UFO. It was so bad it was comical. And it was in Brazil.

It never ceases to amaze me when folks simply swallow this when it is plainly obvious what is being portrayed.

[brilongstaff]

Please consider this a formal question - what evidence can you cite showing that:
a - any kidnapping actually took place
b - extra terrestrials exist
c - extra terrestrials were responsible for the claimed kidnapping

Naturally you will have references.. but please make sure they refer back to original, verifiable and reputable sources, like a recognised medical or science journal. (Hint - reputable sources would *not* include Jaime Maussan or similar..)

Thanks in advance.

Added:
BTW, if anyone is genuinely interested in why South America, esp Brazil, was a ufo hotspot, try this link for an alternative viewpoint:
http://www.philipcoppens.com/ufo_fontes.html
You'll recognise some names from Nidio's claim.

What puzzles me about hardened ufo promoters, is that they don't ever acknowledge the wide range of reasons why people would make these stories up, both in isolation and collusion, right to the highest levels... Eg:
- kudos / 15 minutes of fame / monetary reasons (sale of story to trash newspapers, novels portraying fantasy as history, ufo websites with ad revenue)
- misinterpreted, misremembered, exaggerated events
- justification for additional funding (eg military equipment, staff, etc)
- excuse for aerial maneuvers and use of weaponry and systems not normally used in peacetime
.. and more..

I'll start a thread on this issue one day...

i think the '15 minutes of fame' argument is redundant - the type of fame acquired by coming forth with a tale of ufos deters more people than it encourages.

and as for making money, the only way to become a millionaire in ufology is to start out as a billionaire.

the other points you made are at best spurious so it may be a thread worth starting.

[KaiYeves]

I vividly recall watching a UFO program where the reflection of a single light with a conical shade in a window was offered as a UFO. It was so bad it was comical. And it was in Brazil.

It never ceases to amaze me when folks simply swallow this when it is plainly obvious what is being portrayed.

One time, when I was about nine years old, I was reading in my room at night when I happened to look out the window. I saw a glowing disk in the sky over my backyard and freaked out. Then I realized it was the reflection of my desk lamp and I laughed at myself for being so dumb.

[chrlzs]

i think the '15 minutes of fame' argument is redundant - the type of fame acquired by coming forth with a tale of ufos deters more people than it encourages.

Firstly, what does the 'more people' bit mean? How many people do you think are left then, after you remove the majority you are implying?

And your evidence for that point is what exactly? If you are seriously suggesting that many people do not crave notoriety/publicity, be it good or bad, then I'm guessing you haven't:
- watched any reality tv shows
- visited youtube

I rest my case.

And if folks are deterred, I would suggest it is exactly because they are unsure of their story/memories, it is exaggerated, has no evidence or other witnesses, and so on. In which case those stories do NOT qualify for any sort of evidence anyway. Which imo is great, because we have enough rubbish out there already.

and as for making money, the only way to become a millionaire in ufology is to start out as a billionaire.

Who said they were out to make millions? Do you understand the concept of a strawman? There are plenty of Jaime Maussan wannabe's out there - shall I list some of them? Now Jaime may not make millions, but have you seen the prices he charges for appearances, conferences and the like?
Is he a good ufology representative, do you think? (Be careful with your answer!)

the other points you made are at best spurious so it may be a thread worth starting.

Was that meant to form a preliminary rebuttal? Why not ADDRESS the points? - after all, these issues are pretty much ontopic.. Until you actually address the points, calling them spurious is handwaving.

[Swift]

I have split off Nidio_Ohio's posts and comments to them into this thread

[gwiz]

i think the '15 minutes of fame' argument is redundant - the type of fame acquired by coming forth with a tale of ufos deters more people than it encourages.

Some years ago my local paper resurrected a UFO story from twenty years earlier. It seemed pretty obvious to me that the cause of the sightings was someone playing around with model hot air balloons - this was before Chinese lanterns got really popular - and I wrote to the paper and said so. It turned out that one of the people who'd seen the UFOs was my wife's cousin, and he was really annoyed that I'd taken the excitement off his bit of fame.

[HenrikOlsen]

i think the '15 minutes of fame' argument is redundant - the type of fame acquired by coming forth with a tale of ufos deters more people than it encourages.

Deterring more people than it encourages, even when true, only mean less than 3 billion people are so tempted.

[Garrison]

Deterring more people than it encourages, even when true, only mean less than 3 billion people are so tempted.

Actually as of last year I believe its 3.5 billion, either way plenty of people to come forward with that hard evidence that's been absent since Kenneth Arnold first made the headlines. Given the number of people in the USA with a cameraphone it's staggering that the best UFO photos are still the fakes.

[John Mendenhall]

Actually as of last year I believe its 3.5 billion, either way plenty of people to come forward with that hard evidence that's been absent since Kenneth Arnold first made the headlines. Given the number of people in the USA with a cameraphone it's staggering that the best UFO photos are still the fakes.

Great point. I know two UFO fans who gave it up after the proliferation of cellphone cameras and no photos made it painful. And surveillance cameras. Think of all the good fireball meteors we have videos of!

Regards, John M.

[Don J]

Great point. I know two UFO fans who gave it up after the proliferation of cellphone cameras and no photos made it painful. And surveillance cameras.

Regards, John M.

Have you ever tried googling - ufo caught on surveillance cameras - or -ufo caught on cellphone cameras- ?

Here one from a surveillance camera.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EV3nqHQ1kbs

[Paul Beardsley]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EV3nqHQ1kbs

Well that's me convinced!

[slang]

Given the number of people in the USA with a cameraphone it's staggering that the best UFO photos are still the fakes.

Great point. I know two UFO fans who gave it up after the proliferation of cellphone cameras and no photos made it painful. And surveillance cameras. Think of all the good fireball meteors we have videos of!

Have you ever tried googling - ufo caught on surveillance cameras - or -ufo caught on cellphone cameras- ?

Here one from a surveillance camera.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EV3nqHQ1kbs

Really Don? I mean... Really? This blob is your counterargument against the claim that there are no good, crisp, clear photos from cameraphones and surveillance cameras except fakes? Really?

[chrlzs]

Have you ever tried googling - ufo caught on surveillance cameras - or -ufo caught on cellphone cameras- ?

Here one from a surveillance camera.

[link redacted]

I'm sure that will be highly compelling, but before I go there, is that the best you have found? Is the 'backstory' logical, comprehensive and consistent? Are there multiple witnesses, other footage or other related reports? And in what way have you applied whatever skills you may have, eg general investigative, photo/videography, photogrammetry?

In other words, how about supplying some of that information WITH the link? instead of expecting people to think it is worthwhile on your say so...