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    First off, this is not a huge fight; more of a playful disagreement between my boyfriend and I. At this point, I am not sure if he is intentionally being obtuse or if he is really that clueless when women are hitting on him.

    A little clarification; a new woman started working at the front desk in his building, about six months ago. To be perfectly honest, I didn't like her from the start because she's about 5' 10" and probably weighs less than a hundred pounds. Mr. Closetgeek (hopefully someday) has brought back comments that she's said, "I try but no matter how much I eat, I can't seem to gain any weight...hee hee." Yes it makes me resentful because if I so much as look at a donut, my pants tighten.

    I have picked up on a few things that might suggest that she is flirting, he's told me that Monday mornings, he finds himself standing in the open door, trying to get back to where his office is and she goes on and on about her wild weekend, oblivious to the fact that he isn't even remotely interested. It could mean something, it might not. Even if it does mean something, men and women flirt sometimes, even when they really don't care for any follow up. However, after six months of working there, she still can't seem to get the phone system down and I am starting to think she is intentionally locking up the system just so he has to come up front to fix it. He says she is very flighty but agrees that by now, she should have gotten the hang of it. It's really not that complicated.

    She really got under my skin, once, when a work friend was using his lunch break to help us and we were going to repay him by buying his lunch. As they were walking out the door, she apparently made a joke, of sexual nature, suggesting what the three of us were really doing with our lunch break. I found it offensive.

    Now for the meat of the issue; My boyfriend got a new car, last weekend, the new Camaro 2SS; something he's been talking/drooling over, for the past year. He took it to work on Monday and gave two people a ride in it; his direct boss and a fellow Camaro enthusiast. He told me, last night, that despite the fact that he's told her, "No," on multiple occassions, she continues to beg him to take her for a ride. He insists that the reasons for not taking her are based on a) knowing how I would react (which I love him for) and b) knowing how people at work would react (some people live for juicy gossip). I feel the persistant request in indicative of something more. While she may not intend on jumping him, inside the car, I think she is pushing for the opportunity to be alone with him. He says I am overly suspicious... true, but I am also a woman, I know how we tend to work. It's just a car, seriously. Stop making such a big deal like you are suddenly the rabid camaro enthusiast. So what do you think? Is, "please can I have a ride in your car..." and aggressive flirt or is sitting the the passenger seat of someone else's car, really that gratifying?

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    I ended up driving him to work this morning because they are doing sandblasting and he doesn't want any accidents. I told him to tell her, "Thanks a lot! I told my girlfriend about you constantly asking me and now she won't even let me drive my own car to work." He laughed and said he was going to, but I don't know if he really will. I did make a suggestion, though, a resolution that would make everyone happy. When I pick him up, today, I will bring his car and step out to let her have a ride. That way, I am there and she has to look me in the eye; recognize me as a human being and not some mindless competition, void of feelings. People at his job will see me, not think this is something done on the sneak, and at least slow the rumor mill. Finally, he can get her off his back and stop the begging. Everyone wins. He's game and it all depends on opportunity.

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    I think your boyfriend is mature enough to keep her at a distance. She will eventually give up if it is only about the car.

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    Are there a lot of other women that work there? Could the car thing be just because all the "guys" are talking about it, and she just wants to be in on it and show that she's just "one of the guys"?

    It's certainly possible that she's flirting. It's also possible that she feels like she's being alienated. Who knows?

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    Here is my bit of advice regarding males/females and how they think differently. This is universally applicable when dealing with a guy/girl interface of any kind but especially when a girl is trying to figure out what a guy is thinking.

    "When thinking of a guy, picture a brick"

    Its that simple. He really doesn't know if she is hitting on him. He wouldn't know until she told him to park the car in a secluded area and recline the seats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fazor View Post
    Are there a lot of other women that work there? Could the car thing be just because all the "guys" are talking about it, and she just wants to be in on it and show that she's just "one of the guys"?

    It's certainly possible that she's flirting. It's also possible that she feels like she's being alienated. Who knows?
    Essentially, she is alienated. The front desk is completely closed off from all the other areas. There might be a disparity between men and women but not by much. The executives are all male, the accounting is all female, but the engineering, inspection, and production departments are mixed.

    CC he was very mature, in the way he handled the whole situation. I wish I vocalized it more, before hand but I had a feeling she was going to do exactly what she is doing. I think I have her pretty well pegged.

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    It sounds like your boyfriend is mature enough to handle himself, and if you're wanting to stay in a committed relationship with him, you're going to have to let go and trust him. In my opinion, anyway. It does sound to me like you may be insecure and resentful that she tall and slim, too. On the other hand, she does seem to be flirting a bit, but it's hard to know how much bias you're interjecting into it because you feel jealous. Things like this are going to happen throughout your lives, so practicing a bit of trust and letting go is only going to help in the long run. The alternative is that you might end up alienating your boyfriend before to long, because he'll start picking up on the lack of trust and using up so much mental energy worrying over how his most likely innocent interactions with other women in his life are going to affect you.

    Again.. in my opinion.

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    Yeah, what she's doing is obnoxious, but if you trust your guy, the problem is nothing more than a nuisance. In the words of the infamous Wolfman Jack, "You ain't gonna get 'em, cause I got 'em. And I'm gonna keep 'em."

    Ultimately, all he needs to say is "Look. Just stop, okay? You've been crossing my boundaries; you need to back off now." Yeah, it's direct; it'll be awkward; she'll play clueless; but it'll get the message across.

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    I think she's hitting on him, and I don't think it will stop with the car.

    ETA--I don't think he is interested in her, and I don't think he's interested at all in doing anything about it, but I do think she needs to knock it off. I'm not sure just being told to will do any good, because it hasn't yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by closetgeek View Post
    To be perfectly honest, I didn't like her from the start because she's about 5' 10" and probably weighs less than a hundred pounds. Mr. Closetgeek (hopefully someday) has brought back comments that she's said, "I try but no matter how much I eat, I can't seem to gain any weight...hee hee." Yes it makes me resentful because if I so much as look at a donut, my pants tighten.
    Bake some "special brownies" for her. The Ex-Lax kind...

    I do hope you get this resolved to your liking. Unfortunately a lot of it is up to your boyfriend; if he's willing to ignore her, take things in stride (neutrally), NOT play games or encourage her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buttercup View Post
    Bake some "special brownies" for her. The Ex-Lax kind...
    A student in a nearby school did this. Put a kid in the hospital. Got herself expelled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moose View Post
    A student in a nearby school did this. Put a kid in the hospital. Got herself expelled.
    I was joking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buttercup View Post
    I was joking.
    I know; but just in case some reader didn't realize it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CJSF View Post
    It sounds like your boyfriend is mature enough to handle himself, and if you're wanting to stay in a committed relationship with him, you're going to have to let go and trust him. In my opinion, anyway. It does sound to me like you may be insecure and resentful that she tall and slim, too. On the other hand, she does seem to be flirting a bit, but it's hard to know how much bias you're interjecting into it because you feel jealous. Things like this are going to happen throughout your lives, so practicing a bit of trust and letting go is only going to help in the long run. The alternative is that you might end up alienating your boyfriend before to long, because he'll start picking up on the lack of trust and using up so much mental energy worrying over how his most likely innocent interactions with other women in his life are going to affect you.

    Again.. in my opinion.

    CJSF
    I put that, at the start, on purpose. I started off not liking her for catty reasons and everything after that is confirmation bias. We both actually laughed out loud, when "the new girl" came walking up because it was such a typical story. The last woman that worked at the front desk, got a promotion. She was beautiful, blond, and skinny and I was a bit intimidated. It took a while but I got over it. Then she got moved up and the new girl they hired was younger, taller, and skinnier. I just laughed and said, "Are you kidding me?" It's been a joke with us, and the insecurity wasn't really an issue. I just think he is playing it off, either to tease me or because he really is that clueless. This is a very lighthearted, none dramatic issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moose View Post
    I know; but just in case some reader didn't realize it.
    Oh come on, I'm crazy but not that crazy

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    Quote Originally Posted by closetgeek View Post
    Oh come on, I'm crazy but not that crazy
    Heh. Hey, that kid got the idea from someone. I'd just rather the next over-impulsive kid with revenge fantasies not get the idea from us.

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    As a typically clueless male, it does sound like she's flirting. Again, as a more-or-less typical male, I would not be terribly attracted to a woman who is 5'10" tall and weighs less than 100 lb, since she'd have roughly the same figure as a pencil.

    As for the ride in the car? I think your plan is brilliant: she gets the ride, and he gets to show why he's not interested.
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    Heck why don't you suggest the he give her the ride in the fancy new Camaro...her in the back seat with you riding shotgun! It's probably pretty cramped back there, Camaros aren't know for back seat room. Heck, you could even play 'the good guy' and at the last moment 'give up' the front seat for her, knowing the ride is only gonna last 10 min or so, and you'll be present.

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    Males are not any more typically clueless than females. I really loathe this new stereotype.

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    I guess I must be getting older than I thought, because some of these suggestions seem really immature or petty to me. It's a workplace issue. Let him sort it out and leave it be. Trust him to deal with his workplace issues and concentrate on the two of you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CJSF View Post
    Males are not any more typically clueless than females. I really loathe this new stereotype.


    I guess I must be getting older than I thought, because some of these suggestions seem really immature or petty to me. It's a workplace issue. Let him sort it out and leave it be. Trust him to deal with his workplace issues and concentrate on the two of you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CJSF View Post
    Let him sort it out and leave it be. Trust him to deal with his workplace issues and concentrate on the two of you.
    Are you seriously suggesting that a woman should stop interfering? How does that work?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perikles View Post
    Are you seriously suggesting that a woman should stop interfering? How does that work?
    That's also a stereotype.

    I generally do not interfere.

    I also know when and how to keep quiet.

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    Wait, this is still Rom you're with, right?

    Just tell the woman how much he used to play World of Warcraft. That's usually enough to kill interest from most females.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buttercup View Post
    That's also a stereotype. .
    Well, at what point does a characteristic observed over many decades become a stereotype? It's just my personal observation, which like almost all generalizations has some exceptions, even when I do not know one personally.

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    Actually, psychological studies tend to show that women give sympathy when someone is complaining about their problems and men give advice. So. And as to the cluelessness thing, I think the problem is that men and women tend to notice different clues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fazor View Post
    Wait, this is still Rom you're with, right?

    Just tell the woman how much he used to play World of Warcraft. That's usually enough to kill interest from most females.
    /win and yes it's Rom.

    BTW I showed up in the Camaro, he came out and met me and we both went back into the building, he offered her a ride. She asked why he was suddenly being nice and he said, "my girlfriend said I was allowed." I opted to wait at the office and when she asked why, I said, "the experience is in the front seat and I am not sitting in the back so have at it." He took her up the road, turned around and took her back. The whole thing lasted less than two minutes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CJSF View Post
    Males are not any more typically clueless than females. I really loathe this new stereotype.

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    It's not a new stereotype. I even know that there are times when flirting is an end in and of itself, with no intent on finding a sex partner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Perikles View Post
    Are you seriously suggesting that a woman should stop interfering? How does that work?
    Like this?

    Quote Originally Posted by swampyankee View Post
    It's not a new stereotype.
    Correct; it's a rather old and worn-out one.

    The problem is that when people get an idea in their heads of what might be going on in someone else's head, most seem to leave out the "might be" or any attempt at verification/refutation and act as if their first guess were an indisputable fact. The concept that whatever impression they've come up with might be the tiniest bit unreliable doesn't appear to cross their minds. Taking one's own guesswork as indisputable fact makes anybody who doesn't agree obviously just "clueless" or "obtuse", because obviously a non-clueless, non-obtuse person would agree with an indisputable fact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Delvo View Post
    The problem is that when people get an idea in their heads of what might be going on in someone else's head, most seem to leave out the "might be" or any attempt at verification/refutation and act as if their first guess were an indisputable fact. The concept that whatever impression they've come up with might be the tiniest bit unreliable doesn't appear to cross their minds. Taking one's own guesswork as indisputable fact makes anybody who doesn't agree obviously just "clueless" or "obtuse", because obviously a non-clueless, non-obtuse person would agree with an indisputable fact.
    I can't resist the temptation to apply your theory to your own post. If I were to disagree with the observation you just made, would you consider me "clueless?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perikles View Post
    Well, at what point does a characteristic observed over many decades become a stereotype? It's just my personal observation, which like almost all generalizations has some exceptions, even when I do not know one personally.
    Well of course. Absolutely NO stereotypes can be applied to males. It's okay for stereotypes to be assigned to females however. Yet another form of double standard.

    That's enough said.

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