Comet Elenin Is Of Intelligent Design

[Hal37214]

Well, that is one of the things I wonder about. It seems to pass by folks that calendars are by and large arbitrary.

I've never had any interest in numerology whatsoever, but I'm sure that those who do would have little trouble finding cosmic significance in the date October 15, 1582.

[NEOWatcher]

No, you explain in what way those number matchups mean anything definitive.

So should I give you a background of the world's secret societies and their power numbers?

It's precisely those "secret" societies and the way they play numerology games that lets us see how this numerology game is used.

[Alan G. Archer]

Yes as stated previously... I do see that to be correct.

But you are basing that Amazon or another website.

It's unknown when the pre-launch for this game was.

Regardless, we still have very odd things happening besides that.

I appear to be in error regarding the actual release date for Otto Matic. The release date, according to Inside Mac Games, is Dec. 4, 2001, not Dec. 14, 2001. See Inside Mac Games sneak preview, "Otto Matic," by Michael Eilers, October 8, 2001.

Inside Mac Games: News: Friday, Dec. 14, 2001: "Otto Matic, Cro-Mag Rally Updates Released":

Pangea Software this morning released updates to Otto Matic (just published by Aspyr Media) and to their previous hit title, Cro-Mag Rally.

The release date given by Amazon.com may be referring to the updated version of the game, a bug fix that was released on Dec. 14, 2001.

"Pangea announces new game: Otto Matic," by Peter Cohen, Feb. 26, 2001:

Pangea expects the new game to be completed in December 2001. Since the game is still in development, it's a crap shoot about what the final system requirements will be, but Pangea says that the current system requirements will call for a minimum of Mac OS 9, 333MHz processor, ATI RAGE 128 accelerator, and 96MB RAM.

Otto Matic was originally developed for the Mac platform, then later ported to Windows and the iPhone OS.

[HenrikOlsen]

I've never had any interest in numerology whatsoever, but I'm sure that those who do would have little trouble finding cosmic significance in the date October 15, 1582.

I would apply greater significance to March 1, 1700. But that's just because I'm Danish.

[captain swoop]

Put The "Otto Matic" aside.... And Let me ask you something, how can a COMET decide that it wants to align (Even if NOT exact) on 9/11/2011, 11/11/11, and 12/21/2012? Honestly if you think that is a natural occurrence then something is wrong with your head.

And there's the problem with your Numerology.

Even if NOT exact

How 'not exact' are you willing to be to make the numbers fit??

[Alan G. Archer]

Inside Mac Games: News: Tuesday, Dec. 4, 2001: "Otto Matic Ships, Demo Out," by Andy Largent.

The Pangea Software web site has been updated with great news about their latest project, Otto Matic. Apparently the final game boxes are now in the hands of the good folk at Aspyr Media and should be shipping out today.

Here's the official word from Pangea:
Otto Matic will start shipping today, and the Otto Matic demo should be available later tonight!

[HenrikOlsen]

Otto Matic goes to Planet X... and the game released on 9/11/2001 ???

Otto Matic goes to Planet Xallamarphamorphous, which is shortened to Planet X.
Now if Planet X conspiracies had been completely unheard of in 2001, and no one had used that designation before, then you might have had a tiny glimmer of a claim, but as it is, it's obviously the game programmers poking fun at the woo's.

[Alan G. Archer]

Six snapshots of Pangea Software's Otto Matic home page for the year 2001 has been preserved by the Internet Archive.

[Swift]

I'm wondering this as a particpant, not as a moderator, but what does the title "Comet Elenin is of Intelligent Design" even mean?

Is this ID as in the counter-point of Evolution? Like the comet didn't "evolve" naturally, but some supreme being designed it? Does it mean the comet is a living creature?

Or is Vasotech using Intelligent Design to mean something that was designed by intelligent beings, like ETs, and the comet is some sort of space ship?

[Alan G. Archer]

Could "Otto Matic" be a pseudonym for an astronomer who does not want their name to be associated with a near-Earth object?

[vasotech]

I'm wondering this as a particpant, not as a moderator, but what does the title "Comet Elenin is of Intelligent Design" even mean?

Is this ID as in the counter-point of Evolution? Like the comet didn't "evolve" naturally, but some supreme being designed it? Does it mean the comet is a living creature?

Or is Vasotech using Intelligent Design to mean something that was designed by intelligent beings, like ETs, and the comet is some sort of space ship?

My claim is that "Elenin" is an "invention". Whether someone created it and flung it our way or if it is being guided actually on the comet is unknown.

Sorry I was so harsh earlier, anger got the best of me. I just feel like these conjunction dates should not be pushed aside. We need to monitor this comet closely.

If it is the Blue Kachina... Then you know what that means... red kachina coming shortly after.

[captain swoop]

It has been shown your dates aren't what you claimed in the OP but have been 'forced' to fit.

[slang]

Sure, NASA is not allowed to have a sense of humour.

IT dudes don't have sense of humor. A few days ago I configured an FTP server in a test environment to give responses in rap language. It was funny until it broke a script that relied on standard messages.

[Rhaedas]

My claim is that "Elenin" is an "invention". Whether someone created it and flung it our way or if it is being guided actually on the comet is unknown.

If it was being guided then it would have a different orbit than a natural body does. And would likely get a lot more attention because of that. If it was something other that what we expect a comet to consist of, then again it would get a lot of attention.

As it is, you yourself even admit there's a lot of speculation in your arguments, and the fact that the points you admit aren't what you originally claimed are dismissed by you as unimportant now shows you're reaching for anything that makes them true in your mind.

[vasotech]

If it was being guided then it would have a different orbit than a natural body does. And would likely get a lot more attention because of that. If it was something other that what we expect a comet to consist of, then again it would get a lot of attention.

As it is, you yourself even admit there's a lot of speculation in your arguments, and the fact that the points you admit aren't what you originally claimed are dismissed by you as unimportant now shows you're reaching for anything that makes them true in your mind.

I would admit defeat if we were talking days... We are talking mere hours. And they probably should change it on JPL to say 10th is the perihelion if that is the case.

Just the fact that these 3 dates are all included in this comets path makes it hard to let go.

[HenrikOlsen]

What's so special about the Gregorian calendar that superficially similar dates in it are significant?

The similarities you're so focused on are non-existent for the claimed events in other commonly used calendars.

[Garrison]

My claim is that "Elenin" is an "invention". Whether someone created it and flung it our way or if it is being guided actually on the comet is unknown.

Let's see it looks like a comet, follows a cometary orbit, has indeed all the characteristics of a comet. Have you any evidence it is behaving in any way unnaturally?

Sorry I was so harsh earlier, anger got the best of me. I just feel like these conjunction dates should not be pushed aside. We need to monitor this comet closely.

What conjunction? You've yet to show any significance other than some numerological coincidence that turned out to be based on incorrect numbers.

If it is the Blue Kachina... Then you know what that means... red kachina coming shortly after.

A) What are either of those things? B) What evidence do you have Elenin is either of them?

[Garrison]

I would admit defeat if we were talking days... We are talking mere hours. And they probably should change it on JPL to say 10th is the perihelion if that is the case.

Just the fact that these 3 dates are all included in this comets path makes it hard to let go.

This link is to a JPL page on potential impact risks. Look at the length of that list and then consider all the NEOs and comets that will pass close to us without ever being a threat that are excluded from it. Is it really so surprising that you can find an object that fits, rather vaguely, with a particular set of dates?

[HenrikOlsen]

A) What are either of those things? B) What evidence do you have Elenin is either of them?

A: A bit of quick Googling indicates that Blue/Red Kachina are apparently parts of a Hopi prophesy, but that wooists normally think Comet Holmes was the Blue Kachina and that anthropologists normally think it's a reference to Sirius.
B: Nobody has any evidence of any kind for the meaning of the prophecy, it's Nostradamus all over again.

[Garrison]

A: A bit of quick Googling indicates that Blue/Red Kachina are apparently parts of a Hopi prophesy, but that wooists normally think Comet Holmes was the Blue Kachina and that anthropologists normally think it's a reference to Sirius.
B: Nobody has any evidence of any kind for the meaning of the prophecy, it's Nostradamus all over again.

Hmm, should have seen that coming...

[GreenMan]

I'm wondering this as a particpant, not as a moderator, but what does the title "Comet Elenin is of Intelligent Design" even mean?

Is this ID as in the counter-point of Evolution? Like the comet didn't "evolve" naturally, but some supreme being designed it? Does it mean the comet is a living creature?

Or is Vasotech using Intelligent Design to mean something that was designed by intelligent beings, like ETs, and the comet is some sort of space ship?

Please forgive my rudeness for intruding into this now-extensive thread.

It seems that Vasotech is not so much suggesting that the Comet Elenin is of intelligent design as he is suggesting that the perpetrators of terrorist attacks, video game designers and probably other odds and ends of the ephemera of this particular comet somehow knew of it well in advance of it's discovery by Elenin.

If I'm mistaken about what he's suggesting, the alternative seems to be that the comet/ship or whatever is self-directed or at least sent by an intelligence that actually

cares

about dates related to terrorist attacks and video game development.

It seems far more likely that it's just happenstance or blind luck that Elenin's ephemera coincide with dates or anniversaries that are important to people. I have a hard time believing that an anniversary of a terrorist attack or video game release would be of the slightest interest to an intelligence that could "send" a comet or ship disguised as one.

[Tensor]

Just the fact that these 3 dates are all included in this comets path makes it hard to let go.

Ah, just to point it out, July 10, 2011, is also in the comets path. Just like August 10, 2011 is in its path. We even know that December 10 2010 was a in it's path. I got news for you, there are thousands of days in the comet's path.

[R.A.F.]

Just the fact that these 3 dates are all included in this comets path makes it hard to let go.

You haven't shown any reason to think you have evaluated the evidence...the actual science, involved in comets, their orbits, et.

Why should this numerology impress us?...it in no way validates any claims you've made.

[Tensor]

Who is Dr. Mensur Omerbashich? And what is the European Royal Society?

Alan,

Dr Omerbashich's claims were discussed in this thread. You should find that those claims are pretty much invalid. His website is included in that thread, but you may be asking for the time back, if you go there.

[Selenite]

Hey what do you know, another piece to the puzzle.

News of the World shut downs...

The "World's End" ?

This is disgusting. Subliminal messages everywhere.

Makes me sick... Might have to throw up.

Is this really how you put two and two together?

You know after a 54 year run the venerable soap opera; As the World Turns ended in September of last year.

Inexplicably, the world kept on turning.

I'm still not decided whether to take you seriously or if you are just shining us on.

[HenrikOlsen]

News of the World shut downs...

The "World's End" ?

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...g-scandal.html

For The Sun (the other newspaper published by News Group Newspapers Ltd. which also owned News of the World), even a hint that a newspaper might be held responsible for the despicable actions done to get its stories IS a harbinger of The End.
Not because the real world is going to end, but rather because chances are very high that they have people doing the same kinds of things and that they're going to get burned seriously if it gets out.

Funny how the article is full of phrases trying to imply how respectable that newspaper was, it would have been interesting to see how it would have looked if it had been a competitor rather than a sibling.


BTW, for the conspiracy minded, it looks like it will only shut down in name, it'll just come out as a Sunday edition of The Sun instead. Plus ça change...

[Van Rijn]

Alan,

Dr Omerbashich's claims were discussed in this thread. You should find that those claims are pretty much invalid. His website is included in that thread, but you may be asking for the time back, if you go there.

I would recommend AVOIDING that site unless you are confident in the security of your system. As I mentioned in my post in the other thread:

http://www.bautforum.com/showthread....15#post1892815

I got a cross site scripting warning from Noscript when visiting the site. That can indicate an attempted intrusion. He seems to be very concerned about visitors to the site and writes about a claimed "Anglo-Zionist" attack. Also, the webpage is just bizarre in general. An example I quoted in my earlier post:

Some visitors to this page over the past three weeks (27 Apr-17 May). Besides showing that Masonry is embedded in all facets of society and that they are running the show, it also raises an important question: why are they assessing this page from so many different angles, over mere three weeks -- if it's all just a "coincidence" as NASA claims it to be? Shouldn't NASA's word be sufficient for them Masonry/Illuminati?!

[Garrison]

Hey what do you know, another piece to the puzzle.

News of the World shut downs...

The "World's End" ?

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...g-scandal.html

This is disgusting. Subliminal messages everywhere.

Makes me sick... Might have to throw up.

I must admit I missed this post earlier but feel compelled to respond. If you had the faintest clue what the 'News Of The World' case was all about then you might indeed feel ill. There is nothing subliminal about this. This rag that called itself a newspaper hacked the phones of murdered children, terrorist victims, and the families of soldiers killed in combat. In a desperate bid to try and stave off disaster their parent company threw them to the wolves. Your efforts to co-opt it to my mind means you are also trying to exploit the trauma suffered by the victims of the NOTW's actions for your own ends.
If you persist in claiming this is connected to your Comet Elenin nonsense then prove it or withdraw this claim.

[pzkpfw]

A newspaper called "News of the World" - and named this for a very long time - is shut down due to dodgy dealings.

What should the headlines say? "End of the News"? "One newspaper is finished"? Any headline writer who didn't write "End of the World" (or similar) would raise my suspicions!

[WHarris]

If it is the Blue Kachina... Then you know what that means... red kachina coming shortly after.

Darn.... I had 5000 quatloos on purple followed by green.