Comet Elenin Is Of Intelligent Design

[vasotech]

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There's almost no debate anymore... I was becoming a total skeptic of "Elenin" until this latest news. Nothing could produce these numbers and story if not by intelligent design.

Perihelion - September 11, 2011. Ten years after......................

Grand Alignment, Venus-Mercury-Earth-Elenin, November 11, 2011. That's 11-11-11... And I don't want to get in to power numbers of the secret societies.

Last alignment for Elenin, December 21, 2012... Really?

Oh, and if all that wasn't great enough, now NASA must completely think that we're idiots... Or SEVERELY messing with our heads in a very evil way!

JPL Orbit Diagram for Elenin shows "Producer: Otto Matic".

Now a lot of you may not know Otto Matic, but back on September, 11, 2001 the day of the attacks a software company called "Pangea Software" launched their new game called "Otto Matic".



Here is what the game was about:

"Otto Matic follows the character of Otto Matic Proto in his campaign against the Giant Brain. The story begins on the Bentley Farm on Planet Earth. Here, he has to defeat brain aliens, vegetables, and a tractor. After returning to the escape rocket, he travels to Planet Snoth at the area J-3110. Here he must survive from dangerous slime, ride bubbles, and ride on platforms. Then he must go to the core and defeat a slime machine. Then he travels to Planet Knarr.

To break the ice, he must get a hammer-bot to crack it. Then he uses the saucer on Planet Shebanek to save many humans in POW camps. Then he travels to Planet Xallamarphamorphous (Planet X for short) to defeat the giant brain. After this, many humans have been saved and the story is over."

This was pulled from Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OttoMatic

And yes, in the game they actually did refer to the planet as Planet X for short. I didn't think twice about this until I saw that name on the NASA JPL site.

J-3110 ring a bell? Think back to 3/11/2010, devastating Chile Earthquake.

And should I even mention Leonid Elenin?
ELE out of the constellation LEO?
NINe ELEven

The list goes on... and on...

I've sure you've heard the Deep Impact movie comparisons too? In the movie there was an ELE comet discovered by an astronomer called LEO. In addition, there was a black president... Now, the only time in our nation's history we have a black president a inbound "comet" with the name ELEnin discovered by astronomer LEOnid.

This is not a normal comet. Never in the history of man have this many "coincidences" happened at once time for an inbound space object.

Now I know BAUT, and the FIRST thing is "What is your claim?". Well, I cannot see the future, all I can say is that this is obviously of intelligent design or a staged event. Take your pick.

NASA Directly tells us with the Otto Matic comment

Ladies and gentlemen, Good luck in times ahead.

P.S. One more thing...
# Obs. Used (total) - 2181
Data-arc span - 202 days

NASA has viewed this orbit more than ANY other comet in this time span. All others I viewed that were anywhere close to that number were from 5+ years of Data, this is only 202 days.

[Abaddon]

Read This Full Post, There Is New Information Included.

There's almost no debate anymore... I was becoming a total skeptic of "Elenin" until this latest news. Nothing could produce these numbers and story if not by intelligent design.

Perihelion - September 11, 2011. Ten years after 9/11 attacks?

Um, no perihelion is September 10, not 11.

Grand Alignment, Venus-Mercury-Earth-Elenin, November 11, 2011. That's 11-11-11... And I don't want to get in to power numbers of the secret societies.

Venus-Mercury-Earth align often. Why should such a small object as Elenin make a difference to something which is already not uncommon?

Last alignment for Elenin, December 21, 2012... Really?

There is no December 2012 alignment, I checked the charts. No alignment with anything. How do you decide what IS an alignment? And how do you decide if it is significant?

Oh, and if all that wasn't great enough, now NASA must completely think that we're idiots... Or SEVERELY messing with our heads in a very evil way!

JPL Orbit Diagram for Elenin shows "Producer: Otto Matic".

Sure, NASA is not allowed to have a sense of humour.

Now a lot of you may not know Otto Matic, but back on September, 11, 2001 the day of the attacks a software company called "Pangea Software" launched their new game called "Otto Matic".



Here is what the game was about:

"Otto Matic follows the character of Otto Matic Proto in his campaign against the Giant Brain. The story begins on the Bentley Farm on Planet Earth. Here, he has to defeat brain aliens, vegetables, and a tractor. After returning to the escape rocket, he travels to Planet Snoth at the area J-3110. Here he must survive from dangerous slime, ride bubbles, and ride on platforms. Then he must go to the core and defeat a slime machine. Then he travels to Planet Knarr.

To break the ice, he must get a hammer-bot to crack it. Then he uses the saucer on Planet Shebanek to save many humans in POW camps. Then he travels to Planet Xallamarphamorphous (Planet X for short) to defeat the giant brain. After this, many humans have been saved and the story is over."

This was pulled from Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OttoMatic

And yes, in the game they actually did refer to the planet as Planet X for short. I didn't think twice about this until I saw that name on the NASA JPL site.

J-3110 ring a bell? Think back to 3/11/2010, devastating Chile Earthquake.

And should I even mention Leonid Elenin?
ELE out of the constellation LEO?
NINe ELEven

The list goes on... and on...

I've sure you've heard the Deep Impact movie comparisons too? In the movie there was an ELE comet discovered by an astronomer called LEO. In addition, there was a black president... Now, the only time in our nation's history we have a black president a inbound "comet" with the name ELEnin discovered by astronomer LEOnid.

This is not a normal comet. Never in the history of man have this many "coincidences" happened at once time for an inbound space object.

Now I know BAUT, and the FIRST thing is "What is your claim?". Well, I cannot see the future, all I can say is that this is obviously of intelligent design or a staged event. Take your pick.

NASA Directly tells us with the Otto Matic comment

Ladies and gentlemen, Good luck in times ahead.

P.S. One more thing...
# Obs. Used (total) - 2181
Data-arc span - 202 days

NASA has viewed this orbit more than ANY other comet in this time span. All others I viewed that were anywhere close to that number were from 5+ years of Data, this is only 202 days.

Now video games and movies are evidence?

[HenrikOlsen]

Now I know BAUT, and the FIRST thing is "What is your claim?".

Actually, in the case of numerological coincidences like the ones you posted the first thing is "You really should read about pareidolia" these are numerical pareidolia, i.e. they are proof of the human ability to spot patterns in anything, rather than an indication that those patterns have meaning.

[Swift]

Perihelion - September 11, 2011. Ten years after 9/11 attacks?

Do not go there. Discussions about 9/11 are explicitly forbidden on BAUT, even if you think it relates to this comet. If you even mention the 9/11 attacks again you will be severely infracted.

[bassguy61]

I've sure you've heard the Deep Impact movie comparisons too? In the movie there was an ELE comet discovered by an astronomer called LEO. In addition, there was a black president... Now, the only time in our nation's history we have a black president a inbound "comet" with the name ELEnin discovered by astronomer LEOnid.

Deep Impact came out in 1998... So somehow someone knew in 1998 (earlier, actually, given production time) that in 2010 a Russian astronomer would discover an inbound comet AND was able to forsee the out come of the 2008 Presidential election? Is this your claim?

[Swift]

vasotech,

Since you have time to start a new thread, you must have time to finish your obligations in your last thread. There is at least an entire page (page 3) of unanswered questions. You need to answer them, or at least address them, or you will be infracted.

[vasotech]

Um, no perihelion is September 10, not 11.



Venus-Mercury-Earth align often. Why should such a small object as Elenin make a difference to something which is already not uncommon?


There is no December 2012 alignment, I checked the charts. No alignment with anything. How do you decide what IS an alignment? And how do you decide if it is significant?


Sure, NASA is not allowed to have a sense of humour.




Now video games and movies are evidence?

Really?

Perihelion is on September 11, 2011. As proven by the NASA JPL Orbital Diagram




No alignment on Dec 21, 2012? Yes there is.

[Shaula]

What statistical basis do you have for these claims? Please show me why you think that these numbers are so significant? For example how many days of the years correspond to a major quake? How many to significant events like wars starting? What are the odds of any random day being more significant by your criteria than Elenin related days? How does your the different perihelion day affect your analysis?

All you are doing is pattern matching right down in the noise. Examine anything closely enough and you see 'connections' - you inflate tenuous links and then over ascribe them significance because they back up your initial hypothesis. Sorry but I have seen literally dozens of similar 'patterns' made of of similar 'clues' and they have all turned out to be rubbish. Things like the Bible Code, numerology of significant events - all sorts. There is nothing convincing in what you have presented that would justify such an extraordinary claim.

[vasotech]

vasotech,

Since you have time to start a new thread, you must have time to finish your obligations in your last thread. There is at least an entire page (page 3) of unanswered questions. You need to answer them, or at least address them, or you will be infracted.

Ugh, okay then let me answer these questions... But still, this new data is fascinating.

[Alan G. Archer]

My best guess is that producer "Otto Matic" is a specialized operating system.

If you were to click on the links to the orbit diagrams of the more than twelve-hundred potentially hazardous asteroids listed on JPL's "Orbit Diagrams" page, the producer is also listed as "Otto Matic."

The JPL Small-Body Database Browser page for the main belt asteroid 1780 Kippes (A906 RA), named after Otto Kippes (1905–1994), an asteroid orbit expert, lists the producer for the Orbit Determination Parameters as MPCLINUX.

[vasotech]

Deep Impact came out in 1998... So somehow someone knew in 1998 (earlier, actually, given production time) that in 2010 a Russian astronomer would discover an inbound comet AND was able to forsee the out come of the 2008 Presidential election? Is this your claim?

My claim is that all the "coincidences" are astounding.

I'm actually more impressed by the "Otto Matic" connection than I am by the Deep Impact one.

[captain swoop]

Ugh, okay then let me answer these questions... But still, this new data is fascinating.

Wild speculation, cherry picking and numerology aren't 'data' in my book.

[vasotech]

My best guess is that producer "Otto Matic" is a specialized operating system.

If you were to click on any number of links to the orbit diagrams of the more than twelve-hundred potentially hazardous asteroids listed on JPL's "Orbit Diagrams" page, the producer is also listed as "Otto Matic."

The JPL Small-Body Database Browser page for the main belt asteroid 1780 Kippes (A906 RA), named after Otto Kippes (1905–1994), an asteroid orbit expert, lists the producer for the Orbit Determination Parameters as MPCLINUX.

Negative, Producer means the Producer of the current orbital diagram.

Look at other comets and you will see it's mostly a persons name.

http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/sbdb.cgi?sstr=C%2F1995+O1&orb=1

"Nick Mastrodemos"

However I do note that on the NEO page most are done with "Otto Matic"

[vasotech]

What statistical basis do you have for these claims? Please show me why you think that these numbers are so significant? For example how many days of the years correspond to a major quake? How many to significant events like wars starting? What are the odds of any random day being more significant by your criteria than Elenin related days? How does your the different perihelion day affect your analysis?

All you are doing is pattern matching right down in the noise. Examine anything closely enough and you see 'connections' - you inflate tenuous links and then over ascribe them significance because they back up your initial hypothesis. Sorry but I have seen literally dozens of similar 'patterns' made of of similar 'clues' and they have all turned out to be rubbish. Things like the Bible Code, numerology of significant events - all sorts. There is nothing convincing in what you have presented that would justify such an extraordinary claim.

Um... I have seen all this junk in the past too and never believed it.

But come on, this is just outrageous. I had laid Elenin to rest and then all a sudden I notice Otto Matic on the Producer and my mind was BLOWN...

Otto Matic goes to Planet X... and the game released on 9/11/2001 ???

Perihelion on 9/11/2011???

Come on, that's not just a coincidence. This is madness.

[Alan G. Archer]

Negative, Producer means the Producer of the current orbital diagram.

Look at other comets and you will see it's mostly a persons name.

http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/sbdb.cgi?sstr=C%2F1995+O1&orb=1

"Nick Mastrodemos"

However I do note that on the NEO page most are done with "Otto Matic"

Why don't you contact NASA/JPL and ask them what exactly "Otto Matic" is? Ask them if it is something like MPCLINUX.

[vasotech]

Google... Define Otto Matic.

"ot·to matic
OttoMatic is a video game developed by Pangea Software and published by Aspyr Media. The game was released in 2001"

Is it was an operating system I'm sure it would be documented.

[Alan G. Archer]

Google... Define Otto Matic.

"ot·to matic
OttoMatic is a video game developed by Pangea Software and published by Aspyr Media. The game was released in 2001"

Is it was an operating system I'm sure it would be documented.

If if is some specialized in-house software, probably not.

[vasotech]

Wild speculation, cherry picking and numerology aren't 'data' in my book.

I "cherry picked" data... How so?

Maybe you can say Dr. Mensur Omerbashich Cherry Picked Data by saying Earthquakes were being caused by Elenin...

But how can you say that numbers and dates that DIRECTLY match up is my fault?

The comet and NASA produced the numbers, not me.

[NEOWatcher]

Otto Matic goes to Planet X...

You've never played that game where you convert words, titles or phrases to names?

Otto Matic is a common one for those who are technical oriented. If it's an automatic process that generated the parameters, then how can you use someones name?

Planet X? That's an extremely common way to call something a mysterious planet. I've heard it countless times in science fiction (and spoofs).
Neither are considered coincidences in my book, based on how often they are used.

[Gillianren]

But come on, this is just outrageous. I had laid Elenin to rest and then all a sudden I notice Otto Matic on the Producer and my mind was BLOWN...

It doesn't take much to blow your mind, does it? It's not even as though it's a particularly new joke--not even as though it was when that game came out. Check out the movie Airplane!

[Shaula]

But come on, this is just outrageous. I had laid Elenin to rest and then all a sudden I notice Otto Matic on the Producer and my mind was BLOWN...

Come on, that's not just a coincidence. This is madness.

Show me the justification for this statement. Statistics are there so that seemingly significant correlations can be shown to be significant. Otherwise all you have is that you have identified a very, very tenuous pattern in a very, very noisy data set.

Just repeating that you cannot believe it is a coincidence is not an argument. I cannot believe it is not butter. Doesn't make it butter.

[Shaula]

PS The all knowing internet says Dec 2001 was the release date for Otto Matic on the Mac. March 2002 on the PC. 2009 for the iPad. How does this affect your analysis?

[vasotech]

It doesn't take much to blow your mind, does it? It's not even as though it's a particularly new joke--not even as though it was when that game came out. Check out the movie Airplane!

Saw Airplane when I was a kid, although Airplane didn't include 9/11 , 11/11 , or 12/21/2012 "power" dates.

[Shaula]

Ah - significance contagion. You take something you see every day and add it to another thing you see every day and it become significant. Why is the Tehran quake not significant? Why not Fukushima? Why is Chile so important? Or is it, perhaps, that you think there is something there and are looking for evidence. And you look so hard that amazingly you find things to back you up. But they are sub-noise.

[Abaddon]

Really?

Perihelion is on September 11, 2011. As proven by the NASA JPL Orbital Diagram

Clearly you did not look at it by the hour as I did. Perihelion occurs late on the 10th. You are simply trying to shoehorn in your odd ideas. Analyse it by the hour, then get back to me.

No alignment on Dec 21, 2012? Yes there is.

No visible alignments in that image, care to identify what you think is aligned with what?

[vasotech]

PS The all knowing internet says Dec 2001 was the release date for Otto Matic on the Mac. March 2002 on the PC. 2009 for the iPad. How does this affect your analysis?

You are correct from what I can tell. The game actually was released on Dec 2001...

Still doesn't change the coincidental power dates from the comet.

[vasotech]

Clearly you did not look at it by the hour as I did. Perihelion occurs late on the 10th. You are simply trying to shoehorn in your odd ideas. Analyse it by the hour, then get back to me.



No visible alignments in that image, care to identify what you think is aligned with what?

Lol you're joking right?

So you're telling me that it's NOT odd that JPL shows Perihelion on 9/11/2011?

And you're also saying that There's not a Elenin-Earth-Sun alignment on 12/21/2012?

Get real... it's so close that it's impossible that this is just a natural comet.

9/11/2011? Ok maybe that's believable...

11/11/2011?

12/21/2012? Really?

[captain swoop]

I "cherry picked" data... How so?

Maybe you can say Dr. Mensur Omerbashich Cherry Picked Data by saying Earthquakes were being caused by Elenin...

But how can you say that numbers and dates that DIRECTLY match up is my fault?

The comet and NASA produced the numbers, not me.

But you had the result you wanted in mind before you started to loof for numbers that fitted. How do you think Numerology works.
As already pointed out by other posters your Computer game has a number of release dates none of which are the one you claim and
the NASA JPL Orbital Diagram also shows a different date to the one you claimed.

[vasotech]

You've never played that game where you convert words, titles or phrases to names?

Otto Matic is a common one for those who are technical oriented. If it's an automatic process that generated the parameters, then how can you use someones name?

Planet X? That's an extremely common way to call something a mysterious planet. I've heard it countless times in science fiction (and spoofs).
Neither are considered coincidences in my book, based on how often they are used.

Hm, that's interesting because I've been working with computers in IT since I was 8 years old... Worked at Best Buy Geek Squad for 4 years.... And now Own a rather large, $6+ Figure/year Internet Marketing company.

I've never heard the term Otto Matic except when I was a kid and played the game.

[vasotech]

But you had the result you wanted in mind before you started to loof for numbers that fitted. How do you think Numerology works.
As already pointed out by other posters your Computer game has a number of release dates none of which are the one you claim and
the NASA JPL Orbital Diagram also shows a different date to the one you claimed.

How does the JPL show different figures then what I claimed? I took screenshots and have reviewed all of the dates multiple times... They match up.

Please explain.