Alan Bean Didn't Know about the Van Allen Belts

[DoctorTea]

My friend Mary showed me the clip from Bart Sibrel's "Astronauts Gone Wild"(agw) where Allan Bean says he didn't know if he/the Apollo 12 passed through the van Allen belts(vab). Mary said that would be like going diving in the sharky waters of the Great Barrier Reef and saying you didn't know if you went anywhere near where the sharks were.

I showed Mary the Clavius site and together we looked for a response from the Clavius guys to my friend Mary's claim that Allan Bean couldn't possibly have gone through the vab and therefore have gone to the moon if he didn't know about the basic danger and whether or not they went through this part of space.

Is there a post/reference on Clavius that addresses the Bean credibility issue with reference to this vab topic?

Thanks DoctorTea

[Geo Kaplan]

My friend Mary showed me the clip from Bart Sibrel's "Astronauts Gone Wild"(agw) where Allan Bean says he didn't know if he/the Apollo 12 passed through the van Allen belts(vab). Mary said that would be like going diving in the sharky waters of the Great Barrier Reef and saying you didn't know if you went anywhere near where the sharks were.

I showed Mary the Clavius site and together we looked for a response from the Clavius guys to my friend Mary's claim that Allan Bean couldn't possibly have gone through the vab and therefore have gone to the moon if he didn't know about the basic danger and whether or not they went through this part of space.

Is there a post/reference on Clavius that addresses the Bean credibility issue with reference to this vab topic?

Thanks DoctorTea

What particular CT are you specifically proposing to defend here?

[LaurelHS]

His name is spelled Alan. Sibrel's ambush interview with Bean was discussed in this thread on the forum that's connected to Clavius.
http://apollohoax.proboards.com/inde...ay&thread=1128

[Geo Kaplan]

It may help your "friend" Mary to get some basic education on the van Allen Belt, its radiation and its radiological effect on humans in transit through it: spacemath.gsfc.nasa.gov/weekly/3Page7.pdf

Since humans do not have built-in radiation sensors, it is absurd to assert what you have asserted by proxy. The attempt at an analogy with the Great Barrier Reef is nonsensical. You really need to exercise some critical thinking skills. Google is also your friend. I used that tool to find the NASA page to which I linked in just a few seconds. With a modest amount of effort, you can find additional sources of useful information.

And fyi, it's Alan Bean, not Allan Bean.

ETA: I see that LaurelHS beat me to the punch.

[DoctorTea]

Not defending CT. My friend Mary says she thinks Allan Bean is not telling the truth. I don't believe that to be the case. I showed her the Clavius site, we are actually looking at it together now. We haven't found anything yet about this particular issue. Thanks DoctorTea

[DoctorTea]

Alan Bean, sorry. Thanks for the correction DoctorTea

[Spoons]

Your friend Marys shark analogy probably explains it better than she may realise. Since the sharks at the Great Barrier Reef pretty much pose no real threat to a properly prepared diver there's no need to be overly aware of where and when you'll see them.

[DoctorTea]

I think Mary's point does not have to do with the details of the belt's threat per se, though radiation is acknowledged as the threat in her mind. Her point is rather that Alan Bean doesn't seem to be aware that they went through the belt. As such, he is not credible. Thanks, DoctorTea

[LaurelHS]

And Sibrel is credible? Really?

[DoctorTea]

Spoons, that was the same answer I gave MAry, am giving her. I actually surf(ocean) here on the west coast, sharks. I surf Hawaii often, sharks. Mary says the difference is that I am aware of the sharks, Bean does not seem to be aware of the "sharks". Thanks, DoctorTea.

[DoctorTea]

Sibrel is not credible, that is a for sure, but the point she makes, Mary makes is not unreasonable. Thanks, DoctorTea

[NickW]

Her point is rather that Alan Bean doesn't seem to be aware that they went through the belt. As such, he is not credible.

How is that Bean not being aware makes him non-credible? That makes absolutely no sense to me.

[LaurelHS]

DoctorTea, have you looked at the thread or not? And have you considered that Sibrel might have edited the interview to be unflattering to Bean?

[NickW]

Sibrel is not credible, that is a for sure, but the point she makes, Mary makes is not unreasonable.

It is completely unreasonable.

[R.A.F.]

My friend Mary... Mary said.... I showed Mary...

Why should we care about anything "Mary" has to say...

... the Clavius site and together we looked for a response from the Clavius guys to my friend Mary's claim that Allan Bean couldn't possibly have gone through the vab and therefore have gone to the moon if he didn't know about the basic danger and whether or not they went through this part of space.

Of course ALAN (notice the spelling) Bean was aware of the "dangers" of traversing the VAB's.

Why would you think that you could "fool" the experts here into believing that ALAN (notice the spelling) could be that stupid.

[Jim]

... Is there a post/reference on Clavius that addresses the Bean credibility issue with reference to this vab topic?

Thanks DoctorTea

I think it might be more beneficial to determine the credibility of Bart Sibrel.
1. Are you absolutely certain the video Sibrel shows has not been altered or edited in any way that changes the meaning?
2. Are you absolutely certain that the video shows the full context of the question and answer?
3. Alan Bean is a Texas boy. Texas boys have a nasty habit of jerking someone's chain just for the pure-d fun of it... especially when that jerking is thought to be deserved. Are you absolutely certain he was being serious?

[DoctorTea]

Thanks LaurelHS, will check the link. DoctorTea

[R.A.F.]

My friend Mary... Mary said...I showed Mary...

If you can't even argue your own "argument", then perhaps "Mary" should be posting here instead of you...

[DoctorTea]

NickW, this is funny, Mary is sitting next to me.

Her point is that the astronauts should be aware of the relevant threats. No knowledge of the threat equates in her mind to no credibility. thanks, DoctorTea

[LaurelHS]

NickW, this is funny, Mary is sitting next to me.

Her point is that the astronauts should be aware of the relevant threats. No knowledge of the threat equates in her mind to no credibility. thanks, DoctorTea

Why don't you read the thread before repeating this "lack of awareness" claim yet again?

[Swift]

Why would you think that we would give a darn about what this "Mary" has to say?

If you can't even argue your own "argument", then perhaps "Mary" should be posting here instead of you...

R.A.F.

We often get posts of the type "I have a friend who is an HBer" and in fact answering those kinds of questions is one of the stated purposes of the CT forum. Your implications that Mary is not real are rude. If you have some belief that DoctorTea is doing something wrong, report it.

[DoctorTea]

I don't know if you'd care R.A.F.. I only care because i am being prodded to no end to ask this question.

I was/am looking at Clavius with my friend here. She's saying, "see, nothing there".

I read the CT rules, says be sure to emphasize one is presenting the ideas, arguments of a "friend" at work or whatever if they are not your own.

I didn't even know how to spell the guys name. DoctorTea

[NickW]

NickW, this is funny, Mary is sitting next to me.

Her point is that the astronauts should be aware of the relevant threats. No knowledge of the threat equates in her mind to no credibility. thanks, DoctorTea

If she is sitting next you to, then how about her setting up an account and arguing the evidence herself.

I am sure astronauts are well aware of the threats of space travel, but I am sure Bean had more worrisome problems then the VAB.

[LaurelHS]

It doesn't refer to Apollo, but there's a chapter in On The Shoulders Of Titans where Bean (as CapCom) is discussing the VAB's with the Gemini 11 crew. See here. He obviously knew about the belts before Apollo 12.

[R.A.F.]

NickW, this is funny, Mary is sitting next to me.

Don't really care where she is sitting.

Her point is that the astronauts should be aware of the relevant threats. No knowledge of the threat equates in her mind to no credibility.

Well, where did she get the really stupid idea that Alan Bean was unaware of the "dangers" associated with the VAB's??...huh???

[DoctorTea]

I have been encouraged to read the rules and did. this seems to be the way to do this.

Mary can speak for herself especially since she is here.

No matter to me if she types, but that seems like it is not the way it is supposed to go.

No big. DoctorTea

[DoctorTea]

R.A.F., take a look at the clip, Bean says he is not aware if they even went through the belts. The point is he is not aware of the belt per se, let alone the danger. DoctorTea

[DoctorTea]

NickW, I think she does want to do this for herself. it would be fun for her. i am encouraging her. DoctorTea

[R.A.F.]

I was/am looking at Clavius with my friend here. She's saying, "see, nothing here.

If your "friend" doesn't have the "guts" to post here, then you really need to stop telling us what she has to say...we simply don't care what she has to say...UNDERSTAND?????

I read the CT rules, says be sure to emphasize one is presenting the ideas, arguments of a "friend" at work or whatever if they are not your own.

Yes...we understand that you are tring to "get around" the rules of this board...too bad you are so "obvious" in your attempts.

I didn't even know how to spell the guys name.

Yeah....we're quite aware of your "mistakes".

[LaurelHS]

R.A.F., take a look at the clip, Bean says he is not aware if they even went through the belts. The point is he is not aware of the belt per se, let alone the danger. DoctorTea

Again, and Jim has asked you this too, how do you know Sibrel has not edited the interview? What do you (or Mary) say about the links I gave you suggesting that he did know about the belts? He discussed the VAB's with the Gemini 11 crew in 1966.