If we leave worries we can live better say for 100 years and more than that !!

[suntrack2]

is it possible ? we are bind with the thousands of thoughts every day in our mind, ofcourse this is not feasible to restricts the thoughts, if we completely stop the worries when some thoughts comes in mind, then it will be possible to live in extra freeness in this world. But today we are embrassed with lot of situations every hour, every minute and every second, because our mind thinks and alert us to think in 365 degree, the everyday's thinking procedure turn into silence and some of them result into dreaming at night.

If we can succeed to stop extra worrying then the body organs especially brain can respond well result in greater enthusiasm, and building of strong confidence may result into long living.

Is my thought likes you, what would you like to say on this concept !!

any doctor here, please respond,


sunil

[kleindoofy]

... Is my thought likes you, what would you like to say on this concept!! ...

[HenrikOlsen]

And since Alfred has looked like that since at least 1954, I'd say the hypothesis is close to being proven.

[mfumbesi]

Something tells me that the Avian Flu/TB/HIV/Ebola/Car Accident/Plane Crash/etc does not care whether you are happy or sad.
You still die.

[Gillianren]

Quite. "Thinking good thoughts" is only worth so much, and it's worth a lot less than some people get paid for telling you to do it.

[danscope]

There is a good book called " How to stop worrying and start living " , by Dale Carnegie . It will be found in your local library . May you find illumination within .

[kleindoofy]

... a ... book ... by Dale Carnegie . It will be found in your local library ...

It's a good thing when that book can be found *at* the library.

That means it hasn't been lent out and isn't being read.

[Perikles]

It's a good thing when that book can be found *at* the library..

British National Corpus (BNC): at the library - 40 hits; in the library - 530 hits

Edit: Sorry, perhaps I've missed the point entirely. [insert puzzled smiley]

[rommel543]

You don't age because of stress or bad thoughts. You age because your cells divide and, like a photocopier, a copy isn't quite as good as the original. Small mutations begin to occur in the cell's DNA and if a problem occurs in that cell it's triggered to kill it self. The older a person gets the more cell death that occurs. Cell death can also occur from toxins, radiation (including sun burn), trauma, poor health, disease, etc. Stress and negative thoughts can impact a person's health, so in that regards a lack of stress can help reduce the ageing process but not the point of adding a 50+ years onto your life. There are proteins in your DNA that help correct mutations, but as the number of mutations increases the proteins can't handle them all. If medical science was able to increase the amount of those proteins that would increase the human lifespan. Of course it's never really that easy. More than likely increasing the amount of those proteins would probably cause something else to go wrong in the cells and trigger cell death.

[megrfl]

There is worry about things that you have no control of, like nature, most likely pointless, unless you are considering building your house on a barrier island, or some such. Worrying about things that need your attention is important, isn't it? Doesn't it keep us going?

[Gillianren]

It's certainly smarter to worry about things which can actually go wrong and take steps to prevent it than to blithely assume that they won't.

[kleindoofy]

... Edit: Sorry, perhaps I've missed the point entirely. [insert puzzled smiley]

I meant the best place for any book by Dale Carnegie as on a shelf collecting dust instead of in the hands of a reader.

Any successful person will tell you that Dale Carnegie's works are feel good books for losers.

In the spirit of the OP: don't worry about it.

[suntrack2]

Yes, Sir Dale Carnegie were quite famous, now I am recalling my college days because in one book there was a lession which I have read "on Sir Dale Carnegie", when I read your above lines, I recall everything, in worries people cannot recall everything which was their past, see
if we are in calm and quiet mood our brain starts thinking positively, if we are in harsh and worried mood, nothing is execuatable.

I like your attachment above why worry?, very nice quotation by you and ofcourse by my friends
henrik and gillianren, they got my point very clear, why, because they don't worry about me.

In short worry means nothing but just like a air bubble on the scilent water, nothing worried
about any worry which comes into our mind, just keep the worry aside then see, our life
become just like a smart butterfly with plenty colors.

[Gillianren]

Dale Carnegie was not and could not be "Sir" anything. He was a US citizen. And didn't he pass on that "10% of your brain" lie?

Not worrying will lead to encountering greater trouble, because you won't be prepared for anything. Butterflies aren't smart. They're pretty, but they have no need to prepare for anything. They won't live long enough. We will and therefore do things like stockpile food and build shelter.

[kleindoofy]

... Not worrying will lead to encountering greater trouble, because you won't be prepared for anything. ...

I know what you mean, but there's major difference between being circumspect and fretting over nonsense.

It's good to have a roof over your head, but not because the sky might fall.

[Gillianren]

Oh, I grant you, but the "power of positive thinking" types do not themselves make the distinction. I'm also sure that people with clinical anxiety don't live as long as the average, but it's not actually the worrying which causes that. It's all the things worrying keeps them from doing. In the case of one of my best friends, that includes eating and sleeping.

[kleindoofy]

... the "power of positive thinking" types do not themselves make the distinction. ...

No, they're a bunch of crooks who prey on the desires of ambitionless losers and take their money.

To loosely quote a movie: "why spend $100.000 to learn something you can get for free at the city library" (Good Will Hunting).

In other words: life experience and a little thinking will get you much farther than a course in "motivation." If you can't get it by yourself, nobody can give it to you.

[Jens]

Dale Carnegie was not and could not be "Sir" anything. He was a US citizen. And didn't he pass on that "10% of your brain" lie?

I'm guessing, but not sure, that suntrack2 was using the term as an honorific title, as in "Sri" in Hindi, rather than as an indication of knighthood. Even in other forms of English, we use "Sir" to address people who are not knighted.

[Jens]

Oh, I grant you, but the "power of positive thinking" types do not themselves make the distinction. I'm also sure that people with clinical anxiety don't live as long as the average, but it's not actually the worrying which causes that.

I don't know why you can be so confident of that. I think it's a complicated picture, but chronic anxiety can activate the sympathetic nervous system and increase stress hormones, which may be bad for immunity and may raise blood pressure, which can lead to heart disease, etc. Obviously, lack of sleep is going to play into that too, but I don't think the actual effects can be so clearly discounted.

[HenrikOlsen]

Even in other forms of English, we use "Sir" to address people who are not knighted.

But not as part of their name.

And the part Gillianren was referring to is that people who receive knighthoods are not entitled to use "Sir" unless they are subjects of the British monarch.

[Jens]

But not as part of their name.

And the part Gillianren was referring to is that people who receive knighthoods are not entitled to use "Sir" unless they are subjects of the British monarch.

Sir Henrik Olsen, I'm sad to hear that. Hmm, have I committed a crime, or have I smeared your reputation? I've never been a big fan of that sort of protocol. I don't see why I can't make up my own chivalric order, and call myself sir if I want to.

[HenrikOlsen]

Sir Henrik Olsen, I'm sad to hear that. Hmm, have I committed a crime, or have I smeared your reputation?

By implying that I've been both knighted and have changed citizenship, I'd say the latter.

[Strange]

I've never been a big fan of that sort of protocol.

How are you getting on in Japan? "That sort of protocol" is quite important, I gather...

[Gillianren]

I don't know why you can be so confident of that. I think it's a complicated picture, but chronic anxiety can activate the sympathetic nervous system and increase stress hormones, which may be bad for immunity and may raise blood pressure, which can lead to heart disease, etc. Obviously, lack of sleep is going to play into that too, but I don't think the actual effects can be so clearly discounted.

It's better for you than adding the additional worry about whether your worry is causing your health problems. Studies tend to indicate that forcing yourself to think positive thoughts doesn't increase your lifespan, and while I would like it very much if my best friend would be less anxious, it's in part because I would like her to stop going days without eating. Which also puts a bit of strain on her body.

I'll tell you something else which you may not know. Bipolar people tend to be in greater danger when they're coming out of depression rather than deep in it. When you're that depressed, you don't even have the energy to be suicidal. However, as you're coming out of it, you're likely to think to yourself, "I don't want to go through that again. I don't want to feel that way anymore, and I know I can't stop it." Emotions are complicated, and "think good thoughts" only goes so far. People expect mentally ill people to act and think a certain way, and what they want is for them to stop acting mentally ill. Steven Tyler once said that saying "just say no" to a heroin addict is like saying "just cheer up" to a manic depressive. I've meant for twenty years now to write to him and tell him that people actually do that.

[kleindoofy]

... Emotions are complicated, and "think good thoughts" only goes so far. ...

When you addressed "positive thinking" above, I thought you were speaking about those "motivation" courses peope go to where they spend the day screaming and learning to be obnoxious, which they then leave with a fealing of superiority, only to discover that they're still the same sorry loser they were before they wasted their subordinate position salaries on the course fees.

I should have known you meant something more serious.

[Gillianren]

Honestly, I see them as connected. People are being lied to and convinced that, say, thinking positive thoughts makes you live longer. (I know of no studies which show this and several which show being forced to reduces the survival rate of cancer patients.) I had a teacher in high school who used to make us write "affirmations" every morning, and she never accepted even perfectly legitimate arguments that I wasn't, say, healthy and that just saying I was didn't make it so. (Also, "I am able" is silly. Able to do what?) She had swallowed the belief that thinking it made it so. It kind of reminds me of Annette Bening in American Beauty. When she doesn't sell the house after spending all morning repeating the affirmation that she will, she loses it. Her positive thinking wasn't good enough.

Is it, in general, better not to worry about things you can't control? Yes, it is. If nothing else, you waste a lot of time. Is just telling yourself to think positive thoughts beneficial? No, I don't think so. I've never seen any evidence that it is. Everyone has bad days. Everyone has things which make them freak out. One of the most common phobias among American adults is public speaking. There are dozens and dozens of "cures" for that, but people are still scared when they have to talk in front of other people. I don't see that telling them it will all be okay and they shouldn't worry actually changes anything.

[Jens]

I'll tell you something else which you may not know. Bipolar people tend to be in greater danger when they're coming out of depression rather than deep in it. When you're that depressed, you don't even have the energy to be suicidal. However, as you're coming out of it, you're likely to think to yourself, "I don't want to go through that again.

Actually, it is something I've thought about, because I've heard that SSRIs something cause suicide. And although I haven't read this, it makes sense to me that it might be caused by the fact that a person who is in deep depression doesn't have the courage to commit suicide, but with the help of an SSRI might gain that courage. It's a bit scary in a way, but it is true that suicide is an occasional side-effect of SSRIs.

[Gillianren]

It isn't courage. When you are in a deep, deep depression, you want very much to die, but that would mean moving, and you just can't. Especially because it is my experience that people with suicidal ideation tend to have one planned method and stick to it, so if your plan involves, say, heights, you just can't face all those stairs. Severe depression drains energy, though it may paradoxically manifest in sleeplessness. (Have you ever been too tired to sleep?) When Virginia Woolf loaded her pockets with stones, it was because she couldn't face the depression anymore, which is its own loss of courage. Though not one I can blame her for.

[Jens]

Yeah, I suppose "courage" wasn't the right word. I should have said "energy."

[Gillianren]

Energy is exactly the word, and getting the energy back before the depression goes away is exactly the problem, from what I've heard.