Surface temperature of Titan?

[John T]

Apparently, amongst many other "peculiarites" etc (which of course are not yet positively identified), the surface of Titan we are told, consists of 'Oceans of Methane' etc.

I wonder, when around January 2005, when the Huygen's probe descends through the very dense atmosphere of Titan (thanks to the remarkable achievements of the engineers who designed the craft) I wonder, will the recorded temperature steadily increase during the probe's descent, or decrease?

Personally (and for my own reasons), I think the former might be the case.

That is to say, Titan might have been a recent addition to the family of moons that presently accompany the orbital domain of Saturn.

If this is so, then the surface temperature of Titan I would predict, might be "very hot" indeed!

Perhaps temperatures measured in several hundreds of degrees Celsius, or even much more!

Well, that is my prediction

Cheers

John T

[Brady Yoon]

I don't think it will be that hot. Venus, with an atmosphere of 90 times the thickness of Earth's is that hot. Titan's is "only" 60% thicker than ours. It's unlikely that it will become as warm as Earth let alone 700+K. Then again, I could be completely wrong.

[ToSeek]

If Titan were that hot, wouldn't we have been able to figure it out already?

[John T]

If Titan were that hot, wouldn't we have been able to figure it out already?

Not really,

Too far away!

[John T]

I don't think it will be that hot. Venus, with an atmosphere of 90 times the thickness of Earth's is that hot. Titan's is "only" 60% thicker than ours. It's unlikely that it will become as warm as Earth let alone 700+K. Then again, I could be completely wrong.

Nver mind "that hot" idea.

Currently we are told that the surface of Titan has "oceans of methane" which is around 175 degs kelvin.

I think otherwise.

Cheers

John

[John Jones]

Zetas right again?

D'oh!

[Xbalanque]

Currently we are told that the surface of Titan has "oceans of methane" which is around 175 degs kelvin.

I think otherwise.

Based on...?

[John T]

Zetas right again?

D'oh!

Really?

Could you then please explain your rather subdued and innocuous point, or attitude explicitly?

Or perhaps, should I make it more clearer for you.

Work it out for yourself!

Otherwise, stay a "woo-woo"

John T

[Musashi]

I don't think it will be that hot. Venus, with an atmosphere of 90 times the thickness of Earth's is that hot. Titan's is "only" 60% thicker than ours. It's unlikely that it will become as warm as Earth let alone 700+K. Then again, I could be completely wrong.

Nver mind "that hot" idea.

Currently we are told that the surface of Titan has "oceans of methane" which is around 175 degs kelvin.

I think otherwise.

Cheers

John

So what do you think? You are ditching the 700K idea but maintaining a 'greater than 175K' idea? And, what are you basing this on?

[John Jones]

Zetas right again?

D'oh!

Really?

Could you then please explain your rather subdued and innocuous point, or attitude explicitly?

Or perhaps, should I make it more clearer for you.

Work it out for yourself!

Otherwise, stay a "woo-woo"

John T

Gosh, can you think of a single reason why I should hold to your harsh dichotomy, John T?



I've been called many things, but never a woo-woo. I guess irony escapes some people who haven't been following the Zidiots as long as I.

[John Jones]

John T,

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[ToSeek]

If Titan were that hot, wouldn't we have been able to figure it out already?

Not really,

Too far away!

If it's as hot as you think it is, I would think there'd be enough infrared radiation pouring off it to be detectable even from Earth. But I suppose we'll find out soon enough.

[Brady Yoon]

We already know Titan's surface temperature... Way below the freezing point of water.

[ToSeek]

Fun with Titan

Though too cold to support life as we know it -- minus 290 degrees Fahrenheit (minus 179 Celsius) -- the moon is expected to contain interesting prebiotic chemistry.

[John T]

Zetas right again?

D'oh!

Really?

Could you then please explain your rather subdued and innocuous point, or attitude explicitly?

Or perhaps, should I make it more clearer for you.

Work it out for yourself!

Otherwise, stay a "woo-woo"

John T

Gosh, can you think of a single reason why I should hold to your harsh dichotomy, John T?



I've been called many things, but never a woo-woo. I guess irony escapes some people who haven't been following the as long as I.

John Jones, ref you term " Zidiots" etc

When you wrote:

> " Zetas right again?"

What sort of response were you expecting in return from me...nice and congenial?

Then you say, "Zidiots" and in the same voice, accusing me as you say, as holding a "harsh dichotomy"

(BA, please read back on this thread.)

With respect to the surface temperature of Titan, I just made a few meaningful suggestions that is all.

However, after the rather unusual and somewhat offending critisizms from such as yourself etc., why should I not just occasionally reply with the phrase "woo-woo" from time to time.

Afterall, for anything that does not befit mainstream thinking, on this site in particular it seems to me, all are classed as "woo-woos."

So, who's he kidding!

The BA began the term (as far as I know)

As for Zeta's, Zidiots?

Your terminology, not mine.

John T

Apparently, amongst many other "peculiarites" etc (which of course are not yet positively identified), the surface of Titan we are told, consists of 'Oceans of Methane' etc.

I wonder, when around January 2005, when the Huygen's probe descends through the very dense atmosphere of Titan (thanks to the remarkable achievements of the engineers who designed the craft) I wonder, will the recorded temperature steadily increase during the probe's descent, or decrease?

Personally (and for my own reasons), I think the former might be the case.

That is to say, Titan might have been a recent addition to the family of moons that presently accompany the orbital domain of Saturn.

If this is so, then the surface temperature of Titan I would predict, might be "very hot" indeed!

Perhaps temperatures measured in several hundreds of degrees Celsius, or even much more!

Well, that is my prediction

Cheers

John T

Can you give more info on the basis for this "prediction"? Are you thinking in terms of McCanney's ideas or is this based on some other theory? Meanwhile we will note the prediction of "measured in several hundreds of degrees Celsius" so you are predicting a surface temperature well above the freezing point of water.

[John T]

Apparently, amongst many other "peculiarites" etc (which of course are not yet positively identified), the surface of Titan we are told, consists of 'Oceans of Methane' etc.

I wonder, when around January 2005, when the Huygen's probe descends through the very dense atmosphere of Titan (thanks to the remarkable achievements of the engineers who designed the craft) I wonder, will the recorded temperature steadily increase during the probe's descent, or decrease?

Personally (and for my own reasons), I think the former might be the case.

That is to say, Titan might have been a recent addition to the family of moons that presently accompany the orbital domain of Saturn.

If this is so, then the surface temperature of Titan I would predict, might be "very hot" indeed!

Perhaps temperatures measured in several hundreds of degrees Celsius, or even much more!

Well, that is my prediction

Cheers

John T

Can you give more info on the basis for this "prediction"? Are you thinking in terms of McCanney's ideas or is this based on some other theory? Meanwhile we will note the prediction of "measured in several hundreds of degrees Celsius" so you are predicting a surface temperature well above the freezing point of water.

With respect IMO

Nope, I will not give you anymore information as to "MY" prediction, regarding the high surface temperature of Titan.

For one reason, the explanation would be far too long and probably out of context for this site.

Anyway, no matter.

If the surface temperatures of Titan are indeed proven to be extremely low...oceans of methane etc...then;

"I will eat my hat!"

Interested guys around me already know that!

Problem is, if I am wrong (and I do accept that I might be), what type of sauce should I use as an aid to the adequate congestion of non-edible material (but agreeable to my stomach), comprising the make-up of my hat?

I can only think of tomato.

Suggestions welcome but somehow, I don't think I will have that problem.

Cheers :-)

John T

[Gmann]

This question will be answered when the probe arrives. I couldn't even begin to guess what the temp might be, but if it isn't what you expect, I would suggest my Mother-in Law's Chipotle sauce. =D>

[ToSeek]

If the surface temperatures of Titan are indeed proven to be extremely low...oceans of methane etc...then;

"I will eat my hat!"

Interested guys around me already know that!

Problem is, if I am wrong (and I do accept that I might be), what type of sauce should I use as an aid to the adequate congestion of non-edible material (but agreeable to my stomach), comprising the make-up of my hat?

Considering the topic, I think it should be some kind of sauce that contains beans.

[The Shade]

If the temperature were hotter than -175 degrees Celcius, the atmosphere would be much thinner due to molecular collisions occuring at a higher velocity. Higher velocity = escape velocity. In other words, if you were to somehow move Titan closer to the sun, its atmosphere would probably thin out, and become as sparse as Mars'. So, a thick Titan atmosphere seems to make more sense at a lower temperature.

[BoredHugeKrill]

John T wrote:

Nver mind "that hot" idea.

Currently we are told that the surface of Titan has "oceans of methane" which is around 175 degs kelvin.

I think otherwise.

Cheers

John

how could we determine the surface temperature knowing only that there is liquid methane? Don't we also need to know the surface pressure?

Just a question...

Regards
Krill

[PhantomWolf]

I think it is about 1.4 atm from what others have posted previously, IIRC

[Tranquility]

Am I the only one who thinks this topic doesnt belong in the PX forum ?

[PhantomWolf]

Am I the only one who thinks this topic doesnt belong in the PX forum ?

Nope, I have been thinking that since it started.

[Disinfo Agent]

Be that as it may...

Nope, I will not give you anymore information as to "MY" prediction, regarding the high surface temperature of Titan.

For one reason, the explanation would be far too long and probably out of context for this site.

I don't see how a prediction about the surface temperature of a moon could be "out of context" in an astronomy forum...!

[Musashi]

Be that as it may...

Nope, I will not give you anymore information as to "MY" prediction, regarding the high surface temperature of Titan.

For one reason, the explanation would be far too long and probably out of context for this site.

I don't see how a prediction about the surface temperature of a moon could be "out of context" in an astronomy forum...!

Or out of context in a thread about Titan's temperature...? :-?

[JohnOwens]

Be that as it may...

Nope, I will not give you anymore information as to "MY" prediction, regarding the high surface temperature of Titan.

For one reason, the explanation would be far too long and probably out of context for this site.

I don't see how a prediction about the surface temperature of a moon could be "out of context" in an astronomy forum...!

Or out of context in a thread about Titan's temperature...? :-?

More specifically than the penultimate, less specifically than the ultimate... out of context in a forum about Planet X?

I'd say so. [-X

[John T]

[quote="JohnOwens"]

Be that as it may...

Nope, I will not give you anymore information as to "MY" prediction, regarding the high surface temperature of Titan.

For one reason, the explanation would be far too long and probably out of context for this site.

I don't see how a prediction about the surface temperature of a moon could be "out of context" in an astronomy forum...!

Or out of context in a thread about Titan's temperature...? :-?

More specifically than the penultimate, less specifically than the ultimate... out of context in a forum about Planet X?

'Out of Forum'

I agree.

For sure John, you are absolutely correct!

However, just let us wait and see?

Then (if proven "reasonably" correct) I will tell you everything, based on my theory.

For now,

Cheers,

John T

[Musashi]

I don't get it. Won;t it still be off topic then? And honestly, making predictions after the fact seems a little disingenuous. If you have something to say, say it. If not, quit playing games.

[John T]

Be that as it may...

Nope, I will not give you anymore information as to "MY" prediction, regarding the high surface temperature of Titan.

For one reason, the explanation would be far too long and probably out of context for this site.

I don't see how a prediction about the surface temperature of a moon could be "out of context" in an astronomy forum...!

Well, it certainly is (as in accord with most astronomical theories of today), in my view.

So, what is so unorthodox about a theorized hot temperature on the surface of Titan, as opposed to the accepted viewpoint, which is that of an extrememely cold surface (which of course we must all believe!).

Let us see what might be revealed

John