[Mars image artifacts (or not?)]

[KS42]

A SHARAD image. Online original.
http://marsesa.9f.com/slide_shows/SH...00_a_b_D1A.jpg

SHARAD. Resolution of 50 feet or better. The online images are shown at a reduced size obscuring this 50 ft resolution capabilities. Most, if not all, PC monitors do not have the resolution to “see” this 50 ft resolution details.
http://www.asi.it/en/activity/solar_system/sharad

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/MR...ru-sharad.html

Enlarging, a first step, displays this 50 foot details on our monitors.

Better.
http://marsesa.9f.com/slide_shows/SH...700_a_b_E1.jpg

http://marsesa.9f.com/slide_shows/SH...700_a_b_E1.jpg

There is something going on with Mars.
http://marsesa.9f.com/slide_shows/SH...00_a_b_D3A.jpg

http://marsesa.9f.com/slide_shows/SH...0_a_b_D4A1.jpg

Another SHARAD image. A section of the original as displayed online.
http://marsesa.9f.com/slide_shows/SH...700_a_b_E1.jpg

Better.
http://marsesa.9f.com/slide_shows/SH...700_a_b_E3.jpg

Very busy both below ground and in free space above ground.
http://marsesa.9f.com/slide_shows/SH...700_a_b_E3.jpg

Look carefully.
http://marsesa.9f.com/slide_shows/SH...00_a_b_H2A.jpg

http://marsesa.9f.com/slide_shows/SH...700_a_b_E8.jpg

I have more images.
http://marsesa.9f.com/slide_show.htm...show=SHARAD_A5

http://marsesa.9f.com/slide_show.htm...show=SHARAD_A7

Source.
http://geo.pds.nasa.gov/missions/mro/sharad.htm

[Van Rijn]

I see extreme closeups of image artifacts.

[KS42]

There are NO image artifacts. Understand this.

All image details are valid. Details detected by this GPR. Both physical and non physical details. This non physical details refers to details above ground. Details detectable by radar but invisible to the naked eye.

As I said, there is something going on with Mars.

Enlarging 2 to 4 times is not extreme.

Well within the 4 times max of bicubic enlarging. Excessive enlarging blurs an image.

[KS42]

There are designs.

Regardless of direction, the MRO/SHARAD will detect designs.

Complex in nature.

Half’s……….

If one disagrees with this reflection idea, fine.

At the very least, these two images speak volumes.

Crap…..
http://marsesa.9f.com/slide_shows/SH...00_a_b_D1A.jpg

Better….
http://marsesa.9f.com/slide_shows/SH...700_a_b_E1.jpg

I am also working with Cassini and Magellan radar images.

These radar images can be improved upon.

[KS42]

I am going thru these images.
http://geo.pds.nasa.gov/missions/mro/sharad.htm

Easily accessible jpeg images. Unlike MARSIS, these images are inaccessible.

I want to see these images down to resolution limits.
http://marsesa.9f.com/slide_shows/SH...0_a_b_H4A1.jpg

A reflected view. Half’s - that is the art form.

Just the way it is.

[pzkpfw]

Posts moved from a thread where they were out of place, and now under CT sub-forum rules. Please be careful of the size (both pixels and bytes) of images posted to BAUT - it's in the rules.

[KS42]

pzkpfw.

This rightfully belongs in the MARSIS and SHARAD results topic.

There are no image artifacts.

I did not plan to start a whole new topic.

Just a few posts in a topic in space exploration.

I am not planning to post a whole bunch of images....Just links.

[KS42]

This is no artifact. This is geology....modified.
http://marsesa.9f.com/slide_shows/r_...00_a_b_J6A.jpg

http://www.allmetalforums.com/forums...1&postcount=76

[KS42]

A link. My original topic posts.
http://www.bautforum.com/showthread....ults?p=1789443

Raises good questions.

Questions that I am answering.

[Van Rijn]

This is no artifact. This is geology....modified.
http://marsesa.9f.com/slide_shows/r_...00_a_b_J6A.jpg

What manipulation did you do to the original image?

http://www.allmetalforums.com/forums...1&postcount=76

If that's you (KS43), you're doing some massive image manipulation in those examples. From later in that thread, a post by KS43:

http://www.allmetalforums.com/forums...2&postcount=84

Quoting:

“5. Please do not submit photoshopped/edited images.”

My response to this rule………

I use Adobe Photoshop CS3. I do not “edit” images.

I use that program to improve, enhance images….Noise reduction, brightness and contrast, exposure, blurring and sharpening, enlarging, gradient filters (grayscale mapping tool)…..and the like….

“Photoshopped”….I do NOT create images from an assemblage of other images……..or do I use artistic filters, pen tools, cloning tools, or use that program for drawing……..A capability or an option of PS CS3...A capability that I do not use.

So, this is you? You admit to using noise reduction, adjusting brightness and contrast, exposure, blur, sharpening, enlarging, and gradient filters on source images?

Also, are you mirroring images? In several cases, it looks to me like the left half and the right halves of the image are the same, but mirrored.

[Tedward]

I would like to see a chain of provenance from the original to what you present. What state the original was in and the method of transmission taken into account. Then are you using a jpeg to work from? At the moment I see some images, that is all.

[Fooglmog]

Could you explain what http://marsesa.9f.com/slide_shows/SH...0_a_b_D4A1.jpg is?

The left and right sides of that image are absolutely mirrors of one another. Is there a legitimate reason why the process which generated these images (whatever it is) would create an image that is mirrored? If not, than this image is illegitimate. There's no way that the two sides would be perfectly identical even if this was a monument crafted by Martians. So unless you can demonstrate that it's a legitimate part of the process, I have to interpret that image as an amateur attempt to manipulate the image and fake evidence (by whoever posted these, I assume that it's not you).

That being the case, it casts doubt upon the legitimacy of the entire series of photos posted here because they all come from the same source.

The same applies to the two photos posted under the "Look Carefully" heading.

[tnjrp]

It's a nice pic tho

In other words, this thread is now bookmarked by yours truly.

[Strange]

Should these be in the "share your art" thread?

[Strange]

There are NO image artifacts. Understand this.

Sorry, that is exactly what this looks like: noise+image artifacts+manipulation = interesting pictures.

[tnjrp]

One notes that in the very first post in the AllMetalForums thread, KS4[23] speaks of these images as "art".

[KS42]

"One notes that in the very first post in the AllMetalForums thread, KS4[23] speaks of these images as "art". "

That's right. Art

But it is someone elses art - not mine.

Art or sculpture.

[Strange]

Hey KS42, if you think of these pictures as art, they are great. If you think there is something "real" then I'm afraid you are fooling yourself.

You know what you should do, get a collection of the best ones and put them together as a book. You can then self-publish and sell this through lulu.com or Amazon. I think they would sell quite well. Actually, if you take that route, you probably should include your comments about "something being hidden" in there - your customers would love it.

But back to this forum: you are not going to persuade anyone here that it is anything more than pretty pictures based on manipulating noisy images.

[tnjrp]

That's right. Art

But it is someone elses art - not mine.

Art or sculpture.

That is not the impression I got from the very first post of "KS43":

In my spare time, I look at photos/images with Adobe Photoshop CS3.

Especially, our space programs…..both past and present……

I also look at UFO photos……

My goal in this Art/Graphics/Cartoons is to show my work.

It’s not important if one believes or not…Or is it my goal to convince anyone of my work…..

I would like people to look at my work as art….that’s all…..

Pure art…At least I think it is…Of course, the real test if my images will be accepted as art by an audience….

http://www.allmetalforums.com/forums...ad.php?t=23484

But of course you have the right to change your mind at any time. And now it's time to change our minds about what these images are. As in, are they your art(efacts) or indeed evidence of "something [very much out of the ordinary] going on with Mars".

[KS42]

Your goal is to spin, spin, and more spin.

[Swift]

pzkpfw.

This rightfully belongs in the MARSIS and SHARAD results topic.

There are no image artifacts.

I did not plan to start a whole new topic.

Just a few posts in a topic in space exploration.

I am not planning to post a whole bunch of images....Just links.

KS42,

It is the opinion of the moderators that you are clearly advocating a non-mainstream opinion. We will not debate that determination. That means that you are required to follow the rules of this forum with regard to the advocates of such ideas. If you have not read The Advice for Conspiracy Theory Supporters, I would strongly suggest you do. You will be required to follow those rules, such as answering all questions put to you. If you do not wish to do so, say so now, and this thread will be closed.

Your goal is to spin, spin, and more spin.

I don't know exactly what you mean by that, but I'm a little concerned it is an inappropriate comment.

[Bobbar]

It looks like you took some raw radar images and prettied them up with photoshop.

These are radar images of the sub surface of Mars, like a cross section of the top layers of the crust. It's important to acknowledge that these images are already compressed and quite noisy in nature.

Quoted from http://www.asi.it/en/activity/solar_system/sharad

"The signal received is therefore down-converted, transformed from analogical to digital and compressed."

And when you do things like, "use [Photoshop] to improve, enhance images….Noise reduction, brightness and contrast, exposure, blurring and sharpening, enlarging, gradient filters (grayscale mapping tool)…..and the like….", to these kind of images you're going to get a lot of extra artifacts and additional pixels that were created by the effects you applied.

You manipulated the images greatly, making them more visually appealing, but they are no longer in anyway related to the original data collected by the MRO, or anything that you purport to be going on at Mars.

You've only managed to create some Gary Simmons-esk bits of art from noisy radar images.

[Spoons]

Please note Tedward's post #11 - can you please respond to this?

[KS42]

Lock this topic.

Some people are just plain dumb/idiots.

Thank you.

[Strange]

KS42, I'm serious: I'm sure you could make money from these images. Print them on postcards with some of your thoughts...

[Swift]

By request of the OP this thread is locked. And the inappropriate comment has been dealt with.