UFO Photo Proves Aliens Created Nazca Lines

[Weltraum]

My UFOs, as I have pointed out, closely resemble the acorn shaped Kecksberg UFO based on the close-up of the single craft that although fuzzy is still distinguishable even if Kleindoofy can't see it. But no worries your not alone. In one of my early presentations to a group of Mufon investigators, they also failed to draw on paper the same acorn shape that I saw in the enlargement. So was I supposed to assume their opinion outweighed what my own eyes could see? Thats when I decided that professionals, like many on this panel, were capable of costly blunders in interpeting evidence and most often had their own private agendas and were not interested in new or provocative ideas if they didn't fit into their cozy idea of reality.

Sounds to this Joe Lunchbox as if anyone who disagrees with you is automatically wrong while you are inexorably correct in your beliefs.

http://www.orreman7.com/BestUFOphotoever2.html <- Here, it looks like the proof is in the fuzzy photographs.

I think your rather firm belief in the other dimension you've mentioned comes in part from the trauma of losing your father, and the subsequent, subconscious wish of his being "reincarnated" and alive somewhere becoming manifest.

Try taking an objective look at how you're arguing your case vs how similarly argued cases are handled, such as what the moon landing hoax believers do (try aulis.com for one source). The similarities I see so far are a firm belief serving as a basis for the selection of supporting "evidence," and thus a reliance on falsified or heavily flawed pieces of evidence, such as your fuzzy photographs.

[Weltraum]

Even before Rampa's classic tale in "The Hermit" where a blind monk was brought on board a space ship and argued on behalf of mankind to a large gathering of assorted off-worlders,

This also sounds like Ijon Tichy and the Futurological Congress written about by Stanislaw Lem, at least as I saw it portrayed in a German television production.

the idea of a galatic federation was raised during Betty Hills famous interview after her and Barneys abduction. She claimed the aliens showed her a map where bold lines between planets represented trading routes and broken lines, like the one to our planet, represented expeditionary routes. The numerous UFO shapes cataloged by eyewitnesses add to this theory.

The idea has been raised by science fiction for decades. Just think of Star Trek. So what? Do you believe all fiction stems from some kind of reality in some dimension?

[captain swoop]

Torsten, no I don't believe that it is possible to duplicate,at Nazca, the same long arrow straight lines that are present at Nazca. Some extend for dozens of miles.If it were possible I'm sure a simple test would have already been done to prove it. And what device would be imployed that would leave no footprints and uncover just the top layer of rock. Of course its easy enough to make arrow straight lines today but not like that and not out there. This is just my opinion based on unscientific speculations.

We have given examples of lines that are dozens of miles long and dead straight. Roman Roads, surveyed with little more than sticks and plumb lines and built mt Roman Armies. I drive along the course of several as I move around England, they are still major roads today. Railways laid out in the 19th Century surveyed with little more than sticks and plumb lines and built by armies of Navvies using picks and shovels. Why are the Nazca lines any more remarkable?

[RobDog]

Torsten, no I don't believe that it is possible to duplicate,at Nazca, the same long arrow straight lines that are present at Nazca. Some extend for dozens of miles.If it were possible I'm sure a simple test would have already been done to prove it. And what device would be imployed that would leave no footprints and uncover just the top layer of rock. Of course its easy enough to make arrow straight lines today but not like that and not out there. This is just my opinion based on unscientific speculations.

Dear orreman7,

If I may I'd like to show you another example of how fundamentally easy it is to create the "arrow straight" lines that you "don't believe that it is possible to duplicate". In England there are many Roman roads, as mentioned by captain swoop, that are still followed by their modern counterparts. A prime example is the A15 from Lincoln to the M180 motorway (freeway) which runs in a dead straight line for something approaching 20 miles; check it out on Google Maps:

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&...-8&sa=N&tab=wl

This (if I remember correctly) follows the route of the Roman Ermine Street. It was built using a simple tool called a groma. You can read about gromas here:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A24591099

So, two direct questions;

1) Do you see any reason why the creators of the Nazca lines could not have used a similar technology to create their straight lines "like that" and "out there"?

2) As for leaving no footprints, well is it not possible that the creators of the lines simply walked within the tracks that they had just created?

[Garrison]

Sounds to this Joe Lunchbox as if anyone who disagrees with you is automatically wrong while you are inexorably correct in your beliefs.

http://www.orreman7.com/BestUFOphotoever2.html <- Here, it looks like the proof is in the fuzzy photographs.

I think your rather firm belief in the other dimension you've mentioned comes in part from the trauma of losing your father, and the subsequent, subconscious wish of his being "reincarnated" and alive somewhere becoming manifest.

Try taking an objective look at how you're arguing your case vs how similarly argued cases are handled, such as what the moon landing hoax believers do (try aulis.com for one source). The similarities I see so far are a firm belief serving as a basis for the selection of supporting "evidence," and thus a reliance on falsified or heavily flawed pieces of evidence, such as your fuzzy photographs.

I looked at the page, orreman7's taken a blown up section of the photograph and drawn a squiggly line on it that at no point follows the visible contours of the blob in the middle. There is nothing in the image that justifies the shape orreman7 has assigned to it. I can only assume he has seen what he wants to see rather than anything that is actually in the picture.

[captain swoop]

2) As for leaving no footprints, well is it not possible that the creators of the lines simply walked within the tracks that they had just created?

Also, why would he think footprints in the soil or sand would be visible after any length of time?

[RobDog]

...If it were possible I'm sure a simple test would have already been done to prove it...

I'm not aware of any recent tests done to recreate long straight lines, but I am aware of a modern attempt to recreate a large scale figure.

In this case it's a recreation of the Cerne Abbas Giant chalk figure carved into the hillside in Dorset, England. Although the original is not believed to be that ancient (best estimates put it at around 400 years old), it does easily pre-date modern tools such as lasers and GPS. The recreation was created in 2007.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/h...005/html/1.stm

In case anyone's wondering, the modern recreation is on the left

[Tedward]

Torsten, no I don't believe that it is possible to duplicate,at Nazca, the same long arrow straight lines that are present at Nazca. Some extend for dozens of miles.If it were possible I'm sure a simple test would have already been done to prove it. And what device would be imployed that would leave no footprints and uncover just the top layer of rock. Of course its easy enough to make arrow straight lines today but not like that and not out there. This is just my opinion based on unscientific speculations.

Just to reiterate what others have said as many a bit of advice on examples of the methodology provided which you ignore, why so?

Footprints. Left in what?

This is my opinion based on simple geometry and evidence. Need a right angle? There are simple ways to get one without buying a set square.

[Selenite]

I've been taught that our thoughts create our reality and when a passionate thought is sent out to "coordination points" it comes back as a material manifestation. "Thoughts have substance"-Jane Roberts from the Seth Material. For example was it an accident that I just happened to be at that park shooting a photo at the same time UFOs were passing through?

So you think passionately a lot about UFOs and they appear. That explains a great deal.

Basically, it comes down to: I WANT to believe. Facts, please don't get in the way.

[Torsten]

(Prepared this last night, but didn't wait for the system backup to complete.)

Torsten, no I don't believe that it is possible to duplicate,at Nazca, the same long arrow straight lines that are present at Nazca. Some extend for dozens of miles.If it were possible I'm sure a simple test would have already been done to prove it. And what device would be imployed that would leave no footprints and uncover just the top layer of rock. Of course its easy enough to make arrow straight lines today but not like that and not out there. This is just my opinion based on unscientific speculations.

Well, then how do you explain the highway that crosses the very plain on which the Nazca Lines are located? It consists of three straight segments, totaling 20.3 km, the longest segment being 8.8 km long. The slight changes in direction were necessitated by control points, places where the road passes through gaps in hills that rise out of the plain. Otherwise it could have been one long straight shot.

The longest segment of a Nazca Line that I can see using Google Earth measures just short of 12 km. The elevation change over the length of that line is about 50 m, on a more-or-less steady grade. In other words, it's just about flat. It is trivially simple to lay out straight lines under those conditions. Your unscientific opinion is worthless in the face of practical experience. That link to a view of a long straight section of a forest road I offered you in post #23 is one that I layed out, using the tools and methods described in my various posts here. The two sections combined required less than 8 hours to complete.

Have you even seen a really close view of the Nazca landscape? Do you know the composition of the material at the site? Where did you get the idea that it is a layer of rock, or that the presence or absence of footprints is an issue? Are you aware that the remains of wooden posts have been found at the ends of some of the lines? What do you think is so special about Nazca that we can "make arrow straight lines today but not like that and not out there"?

And, do you realize that the largest of the figures - the animal shapes - is only ~270 m long? The hummingbird figure, for example, is only 85 m from tip of beak to end of tail, and the wingspan is about 52 m. When my youngest daughter was 8 years old she was drawing chalk figures on our street that were about 30 m from end to end. Given that the Nazca area is an outwash plain, the materials are gravelly (it's described as having pebbles on the surface). Making these figures would be a good team exercise for school children in transferring and scaling up drawings.

[Chelonaut]

Sardorricone, the branch of philosophy known as metaphysics talks extensively about UFOs and aliens and how they seeded our planet after it cooled and how they are emissaries from God who have to change their "camouflage" when they enter our carbon universe.

You are confusing "metaphysics" with "paraphysics". Which isn't a branch of philosphy, rather a grabbag of pseudo-sciences.

[Gillianren]

Gillianren, the relationship of the photo to the Nazca lines is the projecting triangular shapes at Nazca that match my UFO photo and 4 others.

So you saw blurry pictures from Nazca that matched your own blurry photos, and that's a connection?

Okay, direct question time.

Do you understand why looking at a picture blown up to the grain limit with a magnifying glass will not provide any useful information?

Do you dispute the repeated evidence of the Roman roads?

If footprints would be left behind by the creators of the Nazca Lines were those creators human, why isn't the site awash with footprints now?

You mentioned earlier that they were supposedly to help balance the Earth against I don't entirely understand what you're talking about; how would some lines dug in the dirt do that against the phenomenal weight of the Earth? Similarly, how massive would an object have to be in order to balance the Earth if it were tilting in the opposite direction?

Please answer this in as clear writing as you can manage, including separating out each response by paragraph. This is in your own words; if I wanted to know what Cayce thought, I'd go read Cayce. Oh, and cite a specific Nostradamus quatrain that clearly and simply lays out whatever it is you think he's saying.

Oh, and welcome, Chelonaut; read the rules and stay awhile. The turtle moves!

[Weltraum]

So you saw blurry pictures from Nazca that matched your own blurry photos, and that's a connection?

Okay, direct question time.

Do you understand why looking at a picture blown up to the grain limit with a magnifying glass will not provide any useful information?

Do you dispute the repeated evidence of the Roman roads?

If footprints would be left behind by the creators of the Nazca Lines were those creators human, why isn't the site awash with footprints now?

You mentioned earlier that they were supposedly to help balance the Earth against I don't entirely understand what you're talking about; how would some lines dug in the dirt do that against the phenomenal weight of the Earth? Similarly, how massive would an object have to be in order to balance the Earth if it were tilting in the opposite direction?

Please answer this in as clear writing as you can manage, including separating out each response by paragraph. This is in your own words; if I wanted to know what Cayce thought, I'd go read Cayce. Oh, and cite a specific Nostradamus quatrain that clearly and simply lays out whatever it is you think he's saying.

Oh, and welcome, Chelonaut; read the rules and stay awhile. The turtle moves!

That is a very good question! Are the figures posted earlier ( http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/h...005/html/1.stm ) also influencing the Earth's movements?

[Sardonicone]

Gillianren, the relationship of the photo to the Nazca lines is the projecting triangular shapes at Nazca that match my UFO photo and 4 others. Sardorricone, the branch of philosophy known as metaphysics talks extensively about UFOs and aliens and how they seeded our planet after it cooled and how they are emissaries from God who have to change their "camouflage" when they enter our carbon universe. The existence of a cosmic library known as the "Akashic records" is very well known in paranormal circles and it contains all the past present and probable futures. It is apparantly what Nostradumas and Edgar Cayce tapped into. It also represents, if it exists, the definitive answer to all our questions and one day, hopefully, we will have access to it and really make this forum sing.

1. It's Sardonicone, please try and type it correctly, or at the very least, use the quote system, as this will help reduce in any confusion. I honestly missed your reply to me initially because of the lack of you quoting me.

2. I have supplied a link from wikipedia that explains exactly what metaphysics are. Metaphysics is patently NOT about UFOs and aliens, and you claiming as such despite evidence to the contrary doesn't make it so. Just for clarification purposes, I'll supply it again.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metaphysics

I'm not really sure what you're referencing. Could you supply some links, as in peer reviewed scientific journals concerning extraterrestrials?

3. Edgar Cayceor Nostradameus are both purported psychics with track records that can only be prescribed as "questionable" at best. I've seen no compelling evidence that either person was gifted in a paranormal way, and indeed, I have no clue why you're bringing them up anyways.

4. You've been given numerous sources, links, and references concerning the ingenuity of humans to replicate the Nazca lines. Have you looked at them yet? Are you willing to concede the point it is within our capability to replicate such feats?

5. You have still not shown how you can come up with anything in your blurry photos, other than the fact there are blurry objects in them. You've proven time and time again your methodology is flawed, and your analysis of your photos are biased. Do you have any way of proving your methodology to be scientifically valid, and furthermore can you actually prove how it's possible to determine what is found in your photos?

6. Furthermore, even if your photos HAD been able to show anything, you've yet to show how they are linked to the Nazca lines anyways.

7. You speak of these "Akashic records".

The following quote is directly from the Wikipedia page (link provided above)

So far, the only presented evidence of akashic records has been the claims of those who purport to gather information from them. These claims cannot be empirically tested, and thus is not deemed a serious matter of scientific inquiry.[4]

(As previously cited from here: http://www.randi.org/encyclopedia/Ak...20records.html)

Considering these records are never brought forth so anyone is able to peruse them, why are we to believe they are anything but a work of fiction? We have no evidence they exist, outside of some claims of a few fringe individuals.

It seems to you me you've decided to piecemeal a few common hoax theories and appropriate them as if your own as a means to manufacture credibility for your claims. That won't work here. I, among others, have asked you several direct questions, and as a requirement of your continued participation on these forums, you must answer them. "I don't know", and "I need more time" (within reason) are acceptable answers.

It is also perfectly acceptable to withdraw your claims if you have no way of proving them.

[Geo Kaplan]

{snip} Years later Channeler John Edwards confirmed that mysterious phone calls are often departed loved ones.

I am disturbed by your uncritical acceptance of John Edwards as a channeler with other-worldly talents. Perform a little critical due-diligence on the man. You will discover that everything he does is entirely explicable by the ordinary. The hypothesis that best fits the data is that he is a charlatan.

Your citations of Cayce and Nostradamus are similarly disturbing. If you are sincerely interested in the truth, instead of cherry-picking "data" to confirm a pre-existing bias, you would do well to read "The Mask of Nostradamus" by James Randi.

[Swift]

So tell me Tedward what evidence do you have that my UFO formation is a flock of birds? And keep in mind that fleets of UFOs just like mine have been captured on film around the world and match the uniform density of my objects with no visable wings from birds or planes.

Orreman7,

Just so you are clear as to how it works around here. You are making the extraordinary claims - that this photo shows alien spacecraft and that somehow that proves aliens created the Nazca lines. It is up to you to prove these claims and to answer questions. It is not up to anyone else to prove that such things can be explained by ordinary objects or explanations.

[kleindoofy]

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Abductions by aliens? No, not yet!
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Update.

Abductions by aliens? Check!
Ghosts? Check!
Akashic records? Check!
Nostradumas? Check!
"I think, therefore it is"? Check!
Betty & Barney Hill? Check!
Telepathy? Check!
Ancient accomplishments done by aliens? Check!
Sacsahuaman stone walls? Check!
Paranormal abilities? Check!

Why is it that I get the distinct impression that you indiscriminately swallow each and every UFO/alien orientated story hook, line and sinker?

Are there any reports of UFO (= alien spaceship) sightings that you don't believe?

Honestly, I'd really like to know.

[Tedward]

Hmmm. Missed the question to me that Swift has pointed out. But yes, show me it is not birds and it is an alien entity space ship on a mission.

[Jim]

Orreman7, you have questions needing answers in the following posts:

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(Click the link - the little white-on-blue > - to open the post.)

Please address them promptly. I suggest you answer one post at a time and use the Quote function. Please try to answer the questions as directly and concisely as possible, in your own words.

Remember, "I don't know" and "I'll get back to you _____" are acceptable answers, as is retracting the statement that led to the question.

[orreman7]

It was science that proved a purpose for the Nazca Lines to be made. It was the National Geographic Magaziner that first pointed out that 2 large figures at Nazca each had 7 fingers. The magazine claimed it was a mistake. I thought there was purpose for the 7 fingers in the "hand" also known as "duckling" figure and the monkey figure. Science would confirm the importance of the number 7 as this link demonstrates:
http://www.orreman7.com/MoreNazcaRevealed.html

[Weltraum]

It was science that proved a purpose for the Nazca Lines to be made. It was the National Geographic Magaziner that first pointed out that 2 large figures at Nazca each had 7 fingers. The magazine claimed it was a mistake. I thought there was purpose for the 7 fingers in the "hand" also known as "duckling" figure and the monkey figure. Science would confirm the importance of the number 7 as this link demonstrates:
http://www.orreman7.com/MoreNazcaRevealed.html

http://www.orreman7.com/nazcasevencomposite.jpg

Man, are you serious? A solar flare seen from a particular angle and photographed at the right time appears to have the shape of a seven, so it's evidence of the number 7 in the universe? I mean, are you certain it wasn't just a backwards gamma or something?

Most of your sevens there are entirely pareidolic. Perhaps all of them!

Anyway, you have a long list of questions to get to.

[orreman7]

I never said that the Nazca lines are acting as a planetary stablizer. It was the Giza Pyrimids,Stonehenge, and Tungusta blast that helped stabalize the planet. The Nazca Lines are truly magical because:
1. The #7 has been incorporated in numerous figures at Nazca. Science confirms the importance of the #7. There are 7 interstellar molecules, 7 regions of the visible light spectrum, 7 spectral classes of stars, 7 spinal chakras, 7 planes of consciousness, and on and on. The Bible is a book of 7's.

2. 5 purported UFO photos are shaped the same as numerous markings at Nazca and the giant hummingbird at Nazca is on the shoulder of God L in this Mayan ceramic vase withj a projecting triangular shape on his head suggesting he is the Nazca artist.
http://www.orreman7.com/NazcaResolved.html

That's why I feel the Nazca Lines are magical.

[orreman7]

I personally believe these Lines, which were created thousands of years ago, were meant to be deciphered by future generations. The message is that we are not alone and that God or "all that is" exists. The projecting triangles at Nazca which duplicate numerous UFO's are meant to be evidence of there existence.

[Geo Kaplan]

I never said that the Nazca lines are acting as a planetary stablizer. It was the Giza Pyrimids,Stonehenge, and Tungusta blast that helped stabalize the planet. {snip}

That's why I feel the Nazca Lines are magical.

You still have not answered the many pending questions that others have been waiting for you to address. How do the pyramids stabilize the planet? And against what destabilizing forces are they working? Ditto for Stonehenge and the Tunguska (note the spelling) blast?

Yes, we all know that you feel that certain things are magical, but this is a science-based forum. That means that the threshold for acceptance is quite a bit higher than "this is what I feel" or "I see this number everywhere, so it's gotta mean something important."

As are the others here, I am eagerly awaiting your responses to the many questions that remain unanswered by you.

[LotusExcelle]

I think this is a joke. Really.

[Weltraum]

I never said that the Nazca lines are acting as a planetary stablizer. It was the Giza Pyrimids,Stonehenge, and Tungusta blast that helped stabalize the planet. The Nazca Lines are truly magical because:
1. The #7 has been incorporated in numerous figures at Nazca. Science confirms the importance of the #7. There are 7 interstellar molecules, 7 regions of the visible light spectrum, 7 spectral classes of stars, 7 spinal chakras, 7 planes of consciousness, and on and on. The Bible is a book of 7's.

2. 5 purported UFO photos are shaped the same as numerous markings at Nazca and the giant hummingbird at Nazca is on the shoulder of God L in this Mayan ceramic vase withj a projecting triangular shape on his head suggesting he is the Nazca artist.
http://www.orreman7.com/NazcaResolved.html

That's why I feel the Nazca Lines are magical.

From the linked site:

"Is it a coincidence that the famous "Radiating Points" at Nazca on the left resemble the spliting of the Atom on the right? Of course they knew we eventually would."

No, it doesn't surprise me that radiating lines bear some resemblance to one another.. They should by definition.

[orreman7]

Creating a Roman road and a line that is miles long and only a foot wide path are two different things! There is a reason that humans are no longer allowed anywhere near the geoglyphs at Nazca. Only from viewing towers are you allowed to view them. The reason for this is clear, move one rock and you have uncovered the yellow soil underneath that has been undisturbed for thousands of years.

[Strange]

You can't tell the difference between fuzzy blobs, birds and aliens.

"In the end what you believe is yours to decide" comes from the movie I watched tonight called "The Fourth Kind" very unsettling actual footage based on true abduction accounts from Nome, Alaska.

You also can't tell the difference between marketing hype and reality.

You do realize that the Hollywood phrase "based on a true story" pretty much means "we made it all up".

[orreman7]

To create the lines as perfect as they are many without flaw and not leave any traces of its making would be impossible considering the fragile nature of the desert floor. The best explanation would be the same for the real crop circle makers. The images were created by something or someone from above. Dozens of geoglyphs at Nazca have a clear entrance line and exit line that is connected to the figures. This may indicate that these geoglyphs were pre-designed and then transferred to the Nazca floor by the "Concorde" and "Great Triangle" figures.

[Garrison]

To create the lines as perfect as they are many without flaw and not leave any traces of its making would be impossible considering the fragile nature of the desert floor. The best explanation would be the same for the real crop circle makers. The images were created by something or someone from above. Dozens of geoglyphs at Nazca have a clear entrance line and exit line that is connected to the figures. This may indicate that these geoglyphs were pre-designed and then transferred to the Nazca floor by the "Concorde" and "Great Triangle" figures.

But its been explained to you how such lines could be made, and that there are potential traces in the form of post holes. The entrance and exit lines, if they are such, could be connected to ritual usage. And the 'real crop circle makers' are bored farmers who admitted to starting the phenomenon and demonstrated their technique. You are simply restating the same beliefs over and over without offering one shred of evidence.