UFO Photo Proves Aliens Created Nazca Lines

[orreman7]

Gobligok, you've asked what my referent in reality is for the term alien. My "concept" of what aliens are was developed in my youth when I was led to metaphysics after my father died when I was 13. Metaphysics is "the branch of philosophy that deals with first principles and seeks to explain the nature of being or reality and of the origin and structure of the world"-New World Dictionary. Now starting at 17 I read most of the works of T.Lobsang Rampa, Carlos Castanada and Jane Roberts. Their writings converged on many issues and convinced me of the existence of a "separate reality" where UFOs, telepathy, OOBEs, reincarnation and everything else that our schools and religions werent teaching us exist. These 3 writers revealed unknown truth which I personally experienced in numerous ways like several accidental telepathic moments. Also "how far were the objects away?" I can only guess but if the entire valley is 18 miles long they (blobs) must have been at least several miles away as the crow flies. Since I did not see them I can't determine their velocity. The connection between UFOs and aliens is measured for me by the countless shapes of their vehicles which indicates various origins of construction, Once again metaphysics confirms that a real galatic federation exists where trade between worlds is big business. For more info on that read "The Hermit" by T.Lobsang Rampa. As far as the size of the craft Gobligok it would probably be the size of a VW sedan as witnesses at the Kecksberg crash site have testified. Here is the example as re-created by Unsolved Mysteries.
http://www.orreman7.com/BestUFOphotoever2.html

[pvicente]

Why would aliens create Nazca? My answer will surprise most of you. Since the mid seventies I was aware through metaphysics that a cataclysmic polar shift was overdue and inevitable. A crustal displacement so swift and deadly that 500 MPH winds will scour the earth and destroy everything. Edgar cayce said it would happen in the blink of an eye, and volcanic core samples confirm that were almost 250,000 years overdue for the next one. Now we see major killer earthquakes across the globe with one of them slighty shifting our magnetic pole. And the hundreds of small earthquakes at Yellowstone are prophecy in the making. Now my theory is that aliens helped create the Giza pyramids, stonehenge and the Tungusta blast all of which have stablized our earths precessional wobble resulting in the shift delay. They want us to live and I'm personally hoping for their return on or before Dec 21 2012. So are the Nazca Lines or Crop Circles sending us a message about impending doom? see for yourself
http://www.orreman7.com/CropCircles2.html

Ok, thanks for the information, now for some questions:

1 -if the Nazca lines are some kind of "planetary stabilizer" and are special or "magical" because they are so straight, then what about all the other straight stuff that people have been building for ages? Roads, walls, tunnels, aqueducts, what kind of "magical" effects they have?

2 - and the same question for the Giza pyramids and Stonehenge, of course. Those are famous examples of pyramids and stone circles but not the only ones of their kind, is every monument with those shapes "magical"? If that's the case for Stonehenge then what are the implications for all the other circular stuff out there like other stone circles, arenas (like Rome's Colosseum for example), domes, plazas, roundabouts, etc?

3 - Are the Nazca lines sending us a message? What? I thought that your idea was that they were made to stabilize the planet?

[Swift]

orreman7,

May I make a very strong suggestion (but it is a suggestion, not a warning). Could you use paragraphs? Your posts of blocks of text are very hard to read. Thanks,

[kleindoofy]

... My original opinion of the single blob was disheartening ... but I was determined to examine it objectively without prejudice. ...

Disheartening?

You may not realize it, but you have just confessed that your reason for seeing so-called aliens in your blobs is not because that's the only thing those blobs could possibly be, but because you *want* them to be so-called aliens.

There are sooooo many other possible and probable explanations for your blobs, but you choose the most fantastic: aliens.

... metaphysics confirms that a real galatic federation exists where trade between worlds is big business.

What?

Metaphysics is an age-old, highly respected branch of philosophy, not a discipline for confirming one's inner dreams and fantasies.

According to your logic, I could use metaphysics to prove that invisble dwarfs are using my office to breed intergalactic unicorns.

Sorry, that doesn't work.

[HenrikOlsen]

Now starting at 17 I read most of the works of T.Lobsang Rampa, Carlos Castanada and Jane Roberts.

I was a bit younger when I read Castaneda, I thought the first couple of books were an interesting account of a shamanistic tradition but that was about it, at book four I stopped reading because he started getting weird and self contradictory.

And as for Rampa (Cyril Henry Hoskin), I have to admit to having my doubts about the writings of a man who claimed to have been possessed by the spirit of a Tibetan monk after he fell out of a tree and hit his head.

Jane Roberts looks like she was a professional medium.

None of them seems to have any connection with metaphysics as the word is used outside the pseudoscience circles within which it's a referentless buzzword used in order to sound learned.

The connection between UFOs and aliens is measured for me by the countless shapes of their vehicles which indicates various origins of construction, ...

You don't think it could just as well be because they're lots of different mundane objects?

, Once again metaphysics confirms that a real galatic federation exists where trade between worlds is big business.

Metaphysics does no such thing. If it claims to have answers it isn't metaphysics.

I think you're confusing metaphysics and mysticism.

[Sardonicone]

Wait, did I honestly just read that metaphysics confirms a real galactic federation exists?

metaphysics?

Really?

Metaphysics is about the study of being and existence, gods, and first principles.

One of those, the law of non-contradiction, doesn't help the OP claims at all.

And at any rate, how does a branch of philosophy confirm the existence extraterrestrial life, let alone a whole "galactic federation"?

What you need for that is proof. Something that philosophy is never going to give you.

[Gillianren]

This is obvious in the actual enlargements using a magnifing loop to look at the grain.

Well, that confirms one thing.

You haven't seen Blow-Up. May I suggest you do? It's fiction, but it makes pretty clear why this is a bogus investigatory tool. It's also a pretty interesting film. More interesting, to me, than bizarre speculation about the Nazca Lines which, I have to tell you, still doesn't indicate to me any relation between the picture and the Lines. Or the Lines and Stonehenge. Et cetera.

[blueshift]

To drop a hint, if one wants to show some data that has some validity to it, then the data needs to be revealed in a language that shows and uses the tools of measurement accurately. Such a language would describe the angular size of the object or objects, azimuth and angular elevation off the horizon. Without a sextant or even the ability to make a good estimate then what constellation was in the background at the time? If the size of the object is said to be enormous and over a mile wide and hovering in a location for a given time, then I would expect the temperature on thermometers to drop for a daytime object and I would expect a particular part of a star constellation to be blocked from view during the night. If it was at twilight or nightfall was it twinkling at all? What time did all this occur? If there was displacement, how long did the displacement take from point A to point B? Was a watch used to make the measurement?

I would further cross examine the witness to see how reliable their measurements are. Was a telescope being used? What was its aperture and focal length? What was the focal length of the eyepiece being used? What is the witness' estimate of the angular size of the Moon if it was visible that night? What was its phase? What is the angular size of the Sun? How is it comparable to the angular size of the Moon?

Last October 10th my astronomy club held a public at Afton Woods Forest Preserve in Dakalb, Illinois I had my XT-12 Orion with a 32 mm Q70 eyepiece aimed at the Double Cluster in the northeastern sky. Someone from the public wanted assistance in finding the Double Cluster so I pointed to Casseopia and told him to drop down from one of the legs of the "W" and the cluster will be located approximately two leg lengths down. He did not have a finderscope show I aimed my laser right at the location for him to take aim from behind his Newtonian scope. So I was no longer looking through my scope though someone else was.

An explosion occured right where I aimed with a puff of exhaust following. The whole crowd jumped and then laughed. Was it a metorite that reached terminal velocity with gases trapped in it that were finally unleashed due to the friction with the atmosphere? OR was it an M-80 that some teen threw upward on the other side of the forest preserve and just so happen to explode in our line of sight at that moment? Did we blow up some UFO?

No. Even the data I gave here is unreliable and so is my recollection. It is likely is was a meteorite. Someone did claim to seeing a streak heading there but I was too busy dealing with not blinding all the people with my green laser and aiming it properly to back that up. Further, nobody cared and just went on with observing, giving it only minor attention. No debris could be seen or heard hitting the ground nearby.

[Tedward]

Is there a link to this pesky piccy that is not on that site (or on it if it is just to the image)? An unadulterated copy to peruse? Have I missed it in the advertising?

[BigDon]

According to your logic, I could use metaphysics to prove that invisble dwarfs are using my office to breed intergalactic unicorns.

Eeew! How much do you pay the cleaning staff?

[Geo Kaplan]

Eeew! How much do you pay the cleaning staff?

Lots, I'm sure, but in equally invisible currency.

[Torsten]

At this point I just want one question answered by orreman7:

There are arrow straight lines that run for miles as if sketched by a lazer from above. We cannot duplicate the feat today.

Do you still believe we can't do this?

[Sardonicone]

At this point I just want one question answered by orreman7:


Do you still believe we can't do this?

As much as I want this answered, I've lost track where this particular question is in the que. He has quite a few questions to deal with.

[Strange]

Jay, my interpretation of a formation of UFOs would include any airborne group that is not identifiable.

[my bold]

Therefore, there is no way you can identify them as alien craft.

On the day I took the UFO photo however my zoom lens was fully extended and I could not duplicate it with birds in the same airspace that the objects were in back in 1990.

So this test is meaningless.

I was satisfied with the results however

You have therefore abandoned any pretence of objectivity.

Some of the "blobs" in the formation also appeared to be acorn/triangular in shape with some pointing up and some down.

But there is no way these projections (if they even exist) could be the wings of birds? Really?

I considered the triangular formation of 3 blobs to be highly suspicious as they pointed to the single object on the other side of the valley.

Just generally pointing in that direction? Or more precisely aligned? How precisely? How did you determine this?

My original opinion of the single blob was disheartening compared to the formation on the left

So, not objective after all.

could also distinguish 3 separate images trailing behind it which I surmissed meant that the object was in motion

How do you know that is what these "trailing images" mean? You "surmise" it? So not objective evidence then.

going right to left to join the formation which was clearly stretched out towards it.

Even if we accept your assumptions about the movement, how is this different from the behavior of a flock of birds?

In summary, you have no objective evidence of anything unusual and you have nothing that connects these blobs to Nazca lines, pyramids or anything else.

[Gobligok]

Gobligok, you've asked what my referent in reality is for the term alien. My "concept" of what aliens are was developed in my youth when I was led to metaphysics after my fater died when I was 13. Metaphysics is "the branch of philosophy that deals with first principles and seeks to explain the nature of being or reality and of the origin and structure of the world"-New World Dictionary.

Not sure what metaphysics has to do with so-called aliens, but all right....

Now starting at 17 I read most of the works of T.Lobsang Rampa, Carlos Castanada and Jane Roberts. Their writings converged on many issues and convinced me of the existence of a "separate reality" where UFOs, telepathy, OOBEs, reincarnation and everything else that our schools and religions werent teaching us exist.

Do you have any evidence whatsoever for the existence of these alleged things?

These 3 writers revealed unknown truth which I personally experienced in numerous ways like several accidental telepathic moments.

Do you have any evidence whatsoever that anything "telepathic" exists?

None of this does anything to provide an ontology for "aliens," and you most certainly have not connected the concept to reality. You've explained a floating abstraction by invoking more floating abstractions.

Also "how far were the objects away?" I can only guess but if the entire valley is 18 miles long they (blobs) must have been at least several miles away as the crow flies.

How did you determine this? How does the length of the valley factor into this conclusion (or "guess" as you put it)?

Since I did not see them I can't determine their velocity.

Okay.

The connection between UFOs and aliens is measured for me by the countless shapes of their vehicles which indicates various origins of construction,

How are you determining shapes? Above, you yourself admit that this "greatest UFO photo" of yours is nothing but blobs.

Why do "countless shapes" matter? You're reasoning in circles.

Once again metaphysics confirms that a real galatic federation exists where trade between worlds is big business. For more info on that read "The Hermit" by T.Lobsang Rampa.

Uh, wow. First of all, just making such a claim about metaphysics doesn't make it so. Maybe you'd care to outline your axioms and then explain precisely how they alone reveal the existence of so-called aliens and this....er...."galactic federation" you mentioned.

I think you're simply throwing around the term "metaphysics" without actually understanding what it means or entails. As for everything else, I see nothing in your post to suggest it's all anything but a product of your imagination.

As far as the size of the craft Gobligok it would probably be the size of a VW sedan as witnesses at the Kecksberg crash site have testified. Here is the example as re-created by Unsolved Mysteries.
http://www.orreman7.com/BestUFOphotoever2.html

What makes you think the blobs on your photo have anything to do with alleged objects from somewhere else?

Aside from being poorly presented and hard to read, there's nothing on your webpage but ad hoc assertion and speculation. None of it is clear or even plausible.

[orreman7]

"In the end what you believe is yours to decide" comes from the movie I watched tonight called "The Fourth Kind" very unsettling actual footage based on true abduction accounts from Nome, Alaska. I would ask this panel for comments on this movie. So Gobligok you see nothing on my webpage but ad hoc assertation and speculation none of which is clear or even plausible. I sometimes think that after reading your posts that everyone of you would have discarded the Inaja UFO photo as nothing but birds or a negative glitch and missed the opportunity that this simple Joe lunchbox followed up on. Your idea of reality is limited and does not seem to include the possibility of UFOs.

[orreman7]

My UFOs, as I have pointed out, closely resemble the acorn shaped Kecksberg UFO based on the close-up of the single craft that although fuzzy is still distinguishable even if Kleindoofy can't see it. But no worries your not alone. In one of my early presentations to a group of Mufon investigators, they also failed to draw on paper the same acorn shape that I saw in the enlargement. So was I supposed to assume their opinion outweighed what my own eyes could see? Thats when I decided that professionals, like many on this panel, were capable of costly blunders in interpeting evidence and most often had their own private agendas and were not interested in new or provocative ideas if they didn't fit into their cozy idea of reality.

[orreman7]

Gobligok, yes I do have some limited personal experiences that confirm the existence of these paranormal abilities. Right after my dad died the phone used to ring constantly with no one on the other end. Mom used to blast my Dads police whistle into the phone out of frustration. Years later my apartment doorbell would ring with no one there even as I answered it instantly. After reading that departed spirits can contact loved ones through electromagnetic means the next time the doorbell rang and no one was there I spoke as if my father was standing invisibly right before me and told him that I loved him and appreiated his efforts to contact me. That doorbell never rang again without someone there. Years later Channeler John Edwards confirmed that mysterious phone calls are often departed loved ones.

[Tedward]

"In the end what you believe is yours to decide" comes from the movie I watched tonight called "The Fourth Kind" very unsettling actual footage based on true abduction accounts from Nome, Alaska. I would ask this panel for comments on this movie. So Gobligok you see nothing on my webpage but ad hoc assertation and speculation none of which is clear or even plausible. I sometimes think that after reading your posts that everyone of you would have discarded the Inaja UFO photo as nothing but birds or a negative glitch and missed the opportunity that this simple Joe lunchbox followed up on. Your idea of reality is limited and does not include the possibility of UFOs.

Run that by me again. actual footage based on true abduction accounts? Think there is a typo.

Before this movie is discussed, I am still trying to see some answers here. I can still see a flock of birds, type which populate this planet and do not appear on cue for you to compare.

[PetersCreek]

"In the end what you believe is yours to decide" comes from the movie I watched tonight called "The Fourth Kind" very unsettling actual footage based on true abduction accounts from Nome, Alaska. I would ask this panel for comments on this movie.

It would be inappropriate to change the subject given that you have so many unanswered questions to attend to. Presenting substantive support for your assertions wouldn't be a bad idea, either.

[orreman7]

To answer Torsten's question yes I still believe that there are many ancient accomplishments that were beyond our ancestors capabilities the Nazca Lines being one of them. Are you aware that several mountain tops at Nazca have been completely cut off with no indication of where the rubble went. Then please explain how ancient Peruvians manuvered blocks at Sacsahuaman, some of which weighed a staggering 190 tons that fitted togeather so tightly that no mortar was needed. "It is still an impenetrable mystery how the Incas moved such boulders and how they were able to fit them togeather so precisely.

[Torsten]

orreman7:
I quoted a statement you made and asked a simple question that you have not answered. Now again, you claimed that this feat of making long, arrow-straight lines cannot be duplicated today. After what has been written in this thread, do you still believe we cannot do this today? Quit dodging and then changing the subject and just answer the question. Yes or no?

[orreman7]

PetersCreek, I mentioned "The Fourth Kind" movie only in passing and because the actual footage of Psychologist Dr. Abigail Tyler's hynotic regressions of purported abduction victims represents better evidence for aliens and UFOs in my opinion than anything I have produced. So tell me Tedward what evidence do you have that my UFO formation is a flock of birds? And keep in mind that fleets of UFOs just like mine have been captured on film around the world and match the uniform density of my objects with no visable wings from birds or planes.

[LaurelHS]

Gobligok, yes I do have some limited personal experiences that confirm the existence of these paranormal abilities. Right after my dad died the phone used to ring constantly with no one on the other end.

Isn't it more likely that these were wrong numbers from people who didn't bother to explain themselves, or those annoying silent calls that sometimes come from telemarketers? It certainly doesn't prove anything about paranormal abilities.

[orreman7]

Torsten, no I don't believe that it is possible to duplicate,at Nazca, the same long arrow straight lines that are present at Nazca. Some extend for dozens of miles.If it were possible I'm sure a simple test would have already been done to prove it. And what device would be imployed that would leave no footprints and uncover just the top layer of rock. Of course its easy enough to make arrow straight lines today but not like that and not out there. This is just my opinion based on unscientific speculations.

[orreman7]

LaurelHS, the numerous occassions that the phone rang in 1971 with no one there were clustered around the time right after my Dad died and I didn't make any connection to a paranormal event. The mysterious phone calls never followed us after we moved. My accidental telepathic event was classic in that my mind was calm and open in one room and in the next was a person in a dire situation. I heard in his own voice, a phrase that I acted upon which he later confirmed. Details upon request.

[LaurelHS]

LaurelHS, the numerous occassions that the phone rang in 1971 with no one there were clustered around the time right after my Dad died and I didn't make any connection to a paranormal event.

This sounds a lot like the post hoc fallacy.

[orreman7]

Even before Rampa's classic tale in "The Hermit" where a blind monk was brought on board a space ship and argued on behalf of mankind to a large gathering of assorted off-worlders, the idea of a galatic federation was raised during Betty Hills famous interview after her and Barneys abduction. She claimed the aliens showed her a map where bold lines between planets represented trading routes and broken lines, like the one to our planet, represented expeditionary routes. The numerous UFO shapes cataloged by eyewitnesses add to this theory.

[orreman7]

Post hoc fallacy- "Confusing coincidental relationships with causes". Well I suppose that may apply sometimes but where and when do you separate the omens that accompany true relationships from the false ones. I've been taught that our thoughts create our reality and when a passionate thought is sent out to "coordination points" it comes back as a material manifestation. "Thoughts have substance"-Jane Roberts from the Seth Material. For example was it an accident that I just happened to be at that park shooting a photo at the same time UFOs were passing through?

[orreman7]

Gillianren, the relationship of the photo to the Nazca lines is the projecting triangular shapes at Nazca that match my UFO photo and 4 others. Sardorricone, the branch of philosophy known as metaphysics talks extensively about UFOs and aliens and how they seeded our planet after it cooled and how they are emissaries from God who have to change their "camouflage" when they enter our carbon universe. The existence of a cosmic library known as the "Akashic records" is very well known in paranormal circles and it contains all the past present and probable futures. It is apparantly what Nostradumas and Edgar Cayce tapped into. It also represents, if it exists, the definitive answer to all our questions and one day, hopefully, we will have access to it and really make this forum sing.