fed up with simplistic Astronomy programs

[north]

will someone or someone's produce a documentary on BB that is not so infantile , PLEASE . I whatched a program on NATTV ( called THE KNOWN UNIVERSE , recently , hoping to learn something new , didn't happen

I'M so sick and tired of the " rubber sheet " representation of gravity

BB being smaller than that of a pin head ,at the begining and that it came from nothing

these people are astronomers , astrophysist etc. , I'm fed up with these programs

anybody feel the same way

[north]

lets get at least a TV series where there is progression of thinking , from the simple to the more complex thinking upon BB

society has changed

people are more educated than even 10yrs ago

[aurora]

How would you represent gravity?

Based on your comment, sounds like you know how big the singularity was, and you also know what it came from. Perhaps you could enlighten me?

[north]

How would you represent gravity?

mass , volume and angler speed


Based on your comment, sounds like you know how big the singularity was, and you also know what it came from. Perhaps you could enlighten me?

there was no singularity in the first place

think of hydraulics

you can compress a liquid or matter only so far until it kicks back

[hhEb09'1]

there was no singularity in the first place

think of hydraulics

you can compress a liquid or matter only so far until it kicks backIs this your own theory, or someone else's?

[north]

Originally Posted by north
there was no singularity in the first place

think of hydraulics

you can compress a liquid or matter only so far until it kicks back


Is this your own theory, or someone else's?

just mine

[DrRocket]

just mine

I kinda figured that.

[aurora]

just mine

So you think that TV shows should explain your theory? and you are angered when they don't?

Good luck with that.

[SkepticJ]

I'M so sick and tired of the " rubber sheet " representation of gravity

Well, mass does warp space. So it's a very literal way to show it.

You know what I'm sick of? Shows showing things falling when they're talking about gravity.*








*Yes, I'm being facetious.

[hhEb09'1]

just minePromoting, as in even discussing, one's own personal theory, especially one that is against the mainstream, is against BAUT rules. Please limit such discussion to the BAUT ATM forum.

Thanks.

[slang]

mass , volume and angler speed

Noooo... not more fishing shows! Rex Hunt meets Sagan... *shudders*

[DippyHippy]

I think what we have to remember here is that these shows are aimed at the general public, and alas, the days of execs spending millions of dollars on intelligent shows like Cosmos are long gone.

I know of several individuals who work on The Universe, for example, who are very smart and intelligent people who know a lot about the subject matter and who feel very frustrated that they are forced to dumb down and pretty up the graphics to please the execs and the general public.

In today's world of blu-ray, DVD and hi-def TV, people are wowed by stunning graphics, not stunning statistics.

Now, if we could persuade the execs they can have both, we'd be okay LOL

[SolusLupus]

Millions of dollars on Cosmos? Really?

[Halcyon Dayz]

Millions of dollars on Cosmos? Really?

Yep. $6.3 million.

At the time Cosmos was the most expensive TV documentary ever made.
Back in 1979 computer graphics weren't cheap. And the not-cut-short-for-commercials length is a full 13 hours.

[SolusLupus]

Nifty.

[chrlzs]

Yep. $6.3 million.

At the time Cosmos was the most expensive TV documentary ever made.
Back in 1979 computer graphics weren't cheap. And the not-cut-short-for-commercials length is a full 13 hours.

Despite that fact that it would be much easier and cheaper to do a similar series today.. there will of course never be another Cosmos, just as there will never be another Carl Sagan. At the risk of repeating myself, he was responsible for what I think was one of the finest and most poignant pieces of modern writing ever, namely his piece on the 'pale blue dot' as he reflected upon the tiny speck of the earth recorded by the Voyager spacecraft looking back as it left the solar system. I hope it isn't breaching the BAUT rules too much to repeat the passage here (if it is, I'll delete it and provide a link, I guess..):



... Look again at that dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every "superstar," every "supreme leader," every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there – on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam.

The Earth is a very small stage in a vast cosmic arena. Think of the rivers of blood spilled by all those generals and emperors so that, in glory and triumph, they could become the momentary masters of a fraction of a dot. Think of the endless cruelties visited by the inhabitants of one corner of this pixel on the scarcely distinguishable inhabitants of some other corner, how frequent their misunderstandings, how eager they are to kill one another, how fervent their hatreds.

Our posturings, our imagined self-importance, the delusion that we have some privileged position in the Universe, are challenged by this point of pale light. Our planet is a lonely speck in the great enveloping cosmic dark. In our obscurity, in all this vastness, there is no hint that help will come from elsewhere to save us from ourselves.

The Earth is the only world known so far to harbor life. There is nowhere else, at least in the near future, to which our species could migrate. Visit, yes. Settle, not yet. Like it or not, for the moment the Earth is where we make our stand.

It has been said that astronomy is a humbling and character-building experience. There is perhaps no better demonstration of the folly of human conceits than this distant image of our tiny world. To me, it underscores our responsibility to deal more kindly with one another, and to preserve and cherish the pale blue dot, the only home we've ever known.


- 'Pale Blue Dot', Carl Sagan, Headline Book Publishing 1995,
ISBN 0 7472 7772 9

For me, if there was ever a book to take to a desert island, that one (and Cosmos, if I could just grab one more!), would be it.

[KaiYeves]

It was the only book I took with me on a trip to Australia in '07. (While there, I also bought "The Superhero Encyclopedia", so those were my only two books. Draw from that what you will.)

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[Spoons]

Really north?

I just saw an episode of The Known Universe now, and while it wasn't groundbreaking stuff for someone who watches and reads a lot of that stuff I think it was quite clearly presented.

I've read a lot of your posts and I really don't think your explanations are anywhere near as clear as what, say, Phil presented on the episode I just saw.

(I'd also like to congratulate Phil on his part in that show - nicely done, not sure how much of that you do these days but this was quite nicely presented.)

They present current theories fairly well. It's easy to pick on other people's work, I know that myself, but to create something yourself which could not possibly be improved is extremely difficult. Having taken part in both academic fields and the arts I also know that myself.

If your beef is that the explanations are too simple then I think TV is the wrong place to look for what you want - read a book instead, you'll get a great variance in the complexity of the explanations in those things. TV shows are for the masses. That should be obvious and easily appreciated.

[Strange]

I know of several individuals who work on The Universe, for example, who are very smart and intelligent people who know a lot about the subject matter and who feel very frustrated that they are forced to dumb down and pretty up the graphics to please the execs and the general public.

Science Channel Refuses To Dumb Down Science Any Further (http://www.theonion.com/content/news/science_channel_refuses_to_dumb)

Sadly, not true.