Apollo 15 Landing Site Topography Digitally Reconstructed from Kaguya 3D Data

[Arneb]

I wouldn't normally dare open a thread with a YouTube video, but the argument made here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbTRGj5aNCM&feature=video_response) strikes me as extremely convincing evidence for the Moon landings (as if any was needed), and I never saw this particular point being made before.

In short, Kaguya mapped the Lunar surface in 3D. With that set of data, it is possible to show local topography, at a resolution of around 10 m/pixel, from any desired POV. The Kaguya team chose a vantage point that coincided with the photos made at the Apollo 15 landing site. Needless to say, the topography matched completely. That, of course, is strong evidence for the Apollo photos having been taken from the Lunar surface, because NASA couldn't have had this kind of terrain information 4 decades before Kaguya.

Nifty.

Apart from the obvious "JAXA were in on it and did their buddies at NASA a favour by falsifying the reconstruction", has any CT site tried to argue this one away, and if so, how? Has anyone here introduced it into debates with moon HBs, and with what kind of success?

Can any of you dream up what they might say to get rid of this nice piece of evidence?

(mods, of course I do not propose a CT here, but I placed the thread in CTs since it pertains to Moon hoax theme. If you feel this might fit better in Q&A...)

[ravens_cry]

Default answer is <blank> are in on it too. Doesn't matter how unlikely it is, and the complete dearth of evidence for it, if <blank> provides evidence that supports NASA, then <blank> must part of the conspiracy.
Fill in the blanks as desired.

[Arneb]

Of course. I was just thinking that maybe someone had taken the pains to concoct some kind of argument going beyond <default>.

[ravens_cry]

Of course. I was just thinking that maybe someone had taken the pains to concoct some kind of argument going beyond <default>.
Maybe, I don't exactly decent as far into the belly of the beast as some, so I may be wrong, but that is the basic answer I get when I bring it up. Racial slurs also often accompany it.

[chrlzs]

I wouldn't normally dare open a thread with a YouTube video, but the argument made here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbTRGj5aNCM&feature=video_response) strikes me as extremely convincing evidence for the Moon landings (as if any was needed), and I never saw this particular point being made before.

In short, Kaguya mapped the Lunar surface in 3D. With that set of data, it is possible to show local topography, at a resolution of around 10 m/pixel, from any desired POV. The Kaguya team chose a vantage point that coincided with the photos made at the Apollo 15 landing site. Needless to say, the topography matched completely. That, of course, is strong evidence for the Apollo photos having been taken from the Lunar surface, because NASA couldn't have had this kind of terrain information 4 decades before Kaguya.

Nifty.
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Never one for modesty :lol:, may I point out that I have been raising this one sporadically for over 12 months - both here and at places like GLP (sorry to mention that horrible place..) - ever since I saw it:
http://www.universetoday.com/2008/07/16/japanese-selene-kaguya-lunar-mission-spots-apollo-15-landing-site-images/

Eg most recently:
http://www.bautforum.com/conspiracy-theories/95043-moon-hoax-talk-got-title-now-i-need-material-4.html#post1606171

But it never seemed to prompt much discussion and on NO occasion did any HB take it up..

So I agree that it's a wonderful example of what might be termed 'unexpected proof'.

[jrkeller]

Since the United States beat Japan in WWII, they will always do our bidding on important issues like faking the moon landings. That would be a CT response.

[ToSeek]

Since the United States beat Japan in WWII, they will always do our bidding on important issues like faking the moon landings. That would be a CT response.

<CT mode>You actually believe there was a WWII??</CT mode>

[chrlzs]

<CT mode>You actually believe there was a WWII??</CT mode>
<CT>
Well, no, not really - of course this was the first work done by Kubrick. He was forced to fake the entire war in a small studio, as TPTB needed to set up some of the groundwork/scenarios for the planned, upcoming, fake cold war.

That is why most of the footage is lamentably poor quality and in black and white. His techniques improved greatly for his later lunar work. One could say his lunar effort was ... completely flawless!
</CT>

[Strange]

I am beginning to think that Japan doesn't really exist, anyway. It did all seem very implausible when I lived there. And it can't be coincidence that I flew from Heathrow airport, just a few miles from Denham film studios.

[Arneb]

Reminds me...Bielefeld existiert nicht!

[Dave J]

Didn't Jarrah W make the argument that the Kaguya photos and the Apollo photos didn't "match", therefore evidence for a hoax?
It's on 'tube somewhere. I found it amusing, as the discrepencies he was pointing out were really miniscule, and it seemed to actually support the correlating evidence. No, they didn't match pixel for pixel, but they were darned close.

[JonClarke]

Didn't Jarrah W make the argument that the Kaguya photos and the Apollo photos didn't "match", therefore evidence for a hoax?
It's on 'tube somewhere. I found it amusing, as the discrepencies he was pointing out were really miniscule, and it seemed to actually support the correlating evidence. No, they didn't match pixel for pixel, but they were darned close.

I have just had a HB claim that on another board.

[chrlzs]

Didn't Jarrah W make the argument that the Kaguya photos and the Apollo photos didn't "match", therefore evidence for a hoax?
It's on 'tube somewhere. I found it amusing, as the discrepencies he was pointing out were really miniscule, and it seemed to actually support the correlating evidence. No, they didn't match pixel for pixel, but they were darned close.

Given the definition of a pixel and how imaging works at the limit of resolution, they couldn't match pixel for pixel..

I guess you can follow this rubbish down to ridiculous levels of minutiae but the CTer will still find fault. But I'll guarantee that if you did the full investigation, right down to the error level in the Kaguya measurements and the properly computed lens/perspective distortions on the Apollo images, and possibly even changes to the lunar landscape (eg new effects from meteor strikes), that the perfect match is indeed there..

But by saying this, one can assume they are accepting that the Kaguya data is valid. Heheh.

[jrkeller]

<CT mode>You actually believe there was a WWII??</CT mode>

Maybe the Japenese won and we do their bidding - like faking the moon landings.

[Graybeard6]

Reminds me...Bielefeld existiert nicht!
OH NO! Does that mean the wonderful weekend with Inge Schmidt in 1965 was all a fantasy?

[slang]

OH NO! Does that mean the wonderful weekend with Inge Schmidt in 1965 was all a fantasy?

Yes. Everything before last Tuesday was a hoax.

[Arneb]

OH NO! Does that mean the wonderful weekend with Inge Schmidt in 1965 was all a fantasy?

If you insist that the weekend was real, then it's clear you are one of them.