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Durakken
2009-Oct-16, 11:39 PM
I was thinking just a while ago... what is happening when a atoms are froze to absolute zero...

Here's my basic idea of what's happening...

As a particle moves in 3D space closer to the speed of light, it moves slower through time.
This to me points to there is an absolute velocity through space time that all particles are going all the time.

What happens when you reverse this and take all 3d movement away? I think that it must move faster in time.

This is what i think is happening with the super states of matter...

Basically where we think that if you reach light speed you would occupy every point in space at one time the reverse would could be said of if you reach the opposite... you would occupy all points in time at a single space.

further i think this would explain the properties such as super conductivity and viscosity... basically the fields that are naturally occurring are occurring faster and thus causing the levitation because that force in regular space-time would go by quick we don't notice it but because we are speeding that up we are getting a much stronger type of force.

like wise with super viscosity what could be happening is that the liquid seems to be moving, but it really isn't... it's at the same point, but every else has moved or something like that.

I dunno... just a thought ^.^

pzkpfw
2009-Oct-16, 11:48 PM
Does cooling of radioactive substances decrease their half-life?

Durakken
2009-Oct-16, 11:49 PM
One would think so if this is right ^.^ I have no idea.

DrWho
2009-Oct-17, 12:26 AM
I was thinking just a while ago... what is happening when a atoms are froze to absolute zero...

That's not a state that can be achieved, so the question is not a physical one which can be answered.

Durakken
2009-Oct-17, 12:36 AM
That's not a state that can be achieved, so the question is not a physical one which can be answered.

If what i am talking about is what happens one would assume that there are things that would occur due to it... like was asked:

Does the half life of a radioactive substance get shorter when it's temperature is lowered enough.

If the answer to that question is yes... imagine what the practical application would be? A sufficiently cold storage would really help with the nuclear waste.

DrWho
2009-Oct-17, 12:45 AM
If what i am talking about is what happens one would assume that there are things that would occur due to it... like was asked:
I don't understand what you are talking about. You mention absolute zero, which isn't achievable. You then talk about 'there is an absolute velocity through space time that all particles are going all the time', which is unclear.

Then you say 'what happens when you reverse this and take all 3d movement away?' - what does that mean? What is the 'super status of matter'? Sorry, but I have no idea what you are talking about.

m74z00219
2009-Oct-17, 12:46 AM
Does cooling of radioactive substances decrease their half-life?

I'm curious about this as well. Don't we only detect muons on the ground (as the result of some other decay mechanism) because of relativistic effects (the muon's internal "clock" is slowed)?

Er, but this is a different kind of decay (nuclear, not particle)...so I'm confused :confused:

It seems that if it were true that temperature affected nuclear decay, it would have sweeping (perhaps) effects on the related sciences.

M74

Durakken
2009-Oct-17, 01:03 AM
I don't understand what you are talking about. You mention absolute zero, which isn't achievable. You then talk about 'there is an absolute velocity through space time that all particles are going all the time', which is unclear.

Then you say 'what happens when you reverse this and take all 3d movement away?' - what does that mean? What is the 'super status of matter'? Sorry, but I have no idea what you are talking about.

...

As something moves faster in 3d space the time relative that it is experiencing compared to normal time progressing is a lot slower.

If i understand this right it indicates that there is some sort of constant velocity through all dimensions that means that as movement increases in space dimensions it must decrease in the time dimension. If we follow this understanding in reverse the opposite must be true as well. As the movement in the space dimension decreases it must increase in the time dimension.

Most people never really look at the reverse and only ever ask what happens at FTL, but that is only one side of the story.

As far as super states... Super solids, super liquids, etc... there are several more states of matter than is commonly taught you know...

DrWho
2009-Oct-17, 01:09 AM
there are several more states of matter than is commonly taught you know...
Yes, I do know, but I'm still not getting what you're trying to say.

Durakken
2009-Oct-17, 01:16 AM
Yes, I do know, but I'm still not getting what you're trying to say.

It's not that hard to understand.

3d movement: ->
chrono speed: <-

Conversely...

3d movement: <-
chrono speed: ->

3d movement: max out = object is at all points in space at one time
chrono speed: max out = object is at all points in time in one spot

3d movement: beyond max = increase in mass
chrono speed: beyond max = ???

Hornblower
2009-Oct-17, 01:21 AM
It's not that hard to understand.

3d movement: ->
chrono speed: <-

Conversely...

3d movement: <-
chrono speed: ->

3d movement: max out = object is at all points in space at one time
chrono speed: max out = object is at all points in time in one spot

3d movement: beyond max = increase in mass
chrono speed: beyond max = ???

Maybe you understand some cerebral itch in your head, but your words are not making it comprehensible.

Durakken
2009-Oct-17, 01:32 AM
It's not this hard to understand correlated speeds v.v

loglo
2009-Oct-17, 08:50 AM
Durraken,
Under relativity as speed tends to zero movement through time tends to a maximum, 1 second per second. To increase your "chronospeed" you would have to "travel at a negative speed". Since speed is a scalar quantity this is a tricky thing to do in a Euclidean space, but maybe the mathematicians can come up with a space that can do this for you. :)

Durakken
2009-Oct-17, 03:24 PM
Durraken,
Under relativity as speed tends to zero movement through time tends to a maximum, 1 second per second. To increase your "chronospeed" you would have to "travel at a negative speed". Since speed is a scalar quantity this is a tricky thing to do in a Euclidean space, but maybe the mathematicians can come up with a space that can do this for you. :)

Yeah, that's what I am saying...Obviously the closer you get to max out on the time side (only used those words because they are equal length) you are going to have some weird event happening due to the same relativity that causes the weird things that happen at fast speeds and beyond FTL.

If a point went beyond max time would it lose mass? That the reverse of what happens at beyond max spacial movement I would expect something similar on the opposite side.

loglo
2009-Oct-17, 03:33 PM
But to go "beyond max" for time, you would need to go "beyond zero" speed. Since you cannot go lower than zero speed, ie you can not move less than not moving at all, then you cannot move through time faster than 1 second per second. That comes out of GR in the same way that mass cannot go faster than light, in fact it is just another way of saying it.

Durakken
2009-Oct-17, 03:48 PM
But you aren't moving at 0 speed you are moving at max speed in time.

loglo
2009-Oct-17, 03:53 PM
But you are not moving in space, that is what I meant by zero speed.

Durakken
2009-Oct-17, 03:57 PM
indeed and also the idea that something stuck in space for all time is odd >.>

loglo
2009-Oct-17, 04:09 PM
indeed and also the idea that something stuck in space for all time is odd >.>

But we ALL are! :)

boom stick
2009-Oct-17, 06:30 PM
Durraken,
Under relativity as speed tends to zero movement through time tends to a maximum, 1 second per second. To increase your "chronospeed" you would have to "travel at a negative speed". Since speed is a scalar quantity this is a tricky thing to do in a Euclidean space, but maybe the mathematicians can come up with a space that can do this for you. :)
Yup this pretty much sums it up. To be slightly more accurate, speed is a vector quantity and can be negative (scalar quantities can also easily be negative eg. charge), but you would need an imaginary speed to get a lorenz factor http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorentz_factor smaller than 1 and a time speeding effect.

Durakken
2009-Oct-17, 06:53 PM
Now that we established that...

Could the effects that we see in super states of matter be caused by this relativistic effect?

And also does radioactive material decay quicker when cooled?

boom stick
2009-Oct-17, 07:00 PM
Now that we established that...

Could the effects that we see in super states of matter be caused by this relativistic effect?

And also does radioactive material decay quicker when cooled?
No, because the relativistic effects are negligible at low speeds.

Durakken
2009-Oct-17, 07:04 PM
No, because the relativistic effects are neglidgible at low speeds.

I don' t think that's accurate because of the effects we see as we slow/cool things down...We wouldn't the effects that we see be related to that as all cooling is is slowing down particles more and more...

boom stick
2009-Oct-17, 07:11 PM
I don' t think that's accurate because of the effects we see as we slow/cool things down...We wouldn't the effects that we see be related to that as all cooling is is slowing down particles more and more...
Well it is accurate, because heavy atoms in the lattice of the radioactive material move at non-relativistic speeds, so we get a gamma close to 1. If we lowed their mean movement to 0, we would still get a gamma close to 1 and no time speeding effect. The equation is in the link i provided in the previous post.

DrWho
2009-Oct-17, 11:48 PM
To be slightly more accurate, speed is a vector quantity and can be negative (scalar quantities can also easily be negative eg. charge)
Speed is not a vector, it's a scalar quantity and cannot be negative. It just has a magnitude. However velocity is a vector, having both a direction and a magnitude. Velocities can be negative if you define a particular direction to be positive and an object is moving in the opposite direction.