Interesting written exchange between HB and Bart Sibrel

[Occams Razor]

HBer Christopher "Chris" Lancaster has made public on his own website the following written exchange between himself and Bart Sibrel:

http://www.truth777.netfirms.com/Conspiracy/Moon%20hoax/Moon%20hoax8.htm (the bottom of the page):

Addendums:

Some correspondence between Bart Sibrel (the moon hoax guy) and myself:

Me - “communicating, NASA and the moon astronauts had no delays. Yet, there are even delays from one point of Earth to the other. A Houston guy asks a question, just half a second later, the astronaut replies. Quite hard proof!”

Sibrel – “Yes, it is. On the tape I uncovered there is a third channel of audio (Houston + Astronauts + CIA?) When Houston finishes speaking there is a four second delay then the third party says "talk". They apparently tried to correct this by having the astronauts wait until prompted in an ear piece to create the effect of a radio delay. This audible prompting is in our movie at "moonmovie.com".

Bart”

on 3/19/03 4:19 PM, c l at drmlanc1@hotmail.com wrote:

> Thanks for your reply, I realise you must be a busy man. However, could you please send me some evidence as to why there was not enough fuel? That would be a great help. I long suspected that that was true, as so much fuel would be so heavy to send into space.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Chris

Sibrel – “Basically, Von Braun stated, through 1958, that for man to reach the moon it would take three gigantic rockets, each three times taller than the Saturn Five (the one used by Apollo.) One from the earth to an earth orbiting space station, another from an earth orbiting space station to a lunar orbiting space station, and a third from a lunar orbiting space station to the lunar surface. (Two space stations would also have to be built.)

He insisted that each would have to be taller than the empire state building, each weighing ten times the amount of the ship the Queen Mary, making the idea a practical impossibility. When Kennedy set the December 31, 1969 deadline, Von Braun recanted his math by 32,000% in three years.

We hired a propulsion specialist, gave him a copy of the Saturn Five flight manual bought at auction, and he calculated that it could not have traveled more than 9,000 miles from the earth.

Bart”

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http://www.truth777.netfirms.com/Conspiracy/Moon%20hoax/Moon%20hoax8.htm

[R.A.F.]

Another shining example of Bart Sibrel experiencing a major cramp in his mental muscle. :lol:

[Sakura Kinomoto]

I was going to say he didn't bother to check his facts.. Anyway, isn't the tape recorded from Houston? Umm.. why would there be a delay? Sound systems aren't from some third point... and to other point, if there was a third channel of audio, wouldn't the ham operators heard it or even seen it? Oh, wait a minute, must have been on a hidden channel..


And Von Braun was a propulsion specalist?

[majic]

Someone correct me if I'm misunderstanding, but as far as my knowledge goes you dont _have_ to actively fire your rockets/thrusters all the way to the moon - you fire them to get away from the Earth and it's gravitational pull, after a relatively short trip you are "out of the reach" of any serious gravity and with a short burst of the engines you can gain speed which does not slow down much even if you stop firing the engines - the only force you have to counter is that of the (Weakening) attraction of the Earth...getting in orbit with the moon will require some more adjustments.

On a longer scale this perhaps is more clear : If you go to mars, you dont have to fire your rockets all the way to mars ! You can get to speed, and both Earth's and the Martian gravity will have their positive and negative impact on your speed, which you need to counter (or use). Gravitation's grip on a small object such as your own with relatively powerfull thurst/acceleration variables once out of the closer range is small. Space has no significant friction, and hence little fuel is needed.

The experts can correct me since this information is based upon readings when I was still on high-school and I've not done much reading up on regular rocket propulsion, with newer technologies like solar-sails ion/plasma engines around the corner.

[Humphrey]

Shhhh... You'll let out the secret that bart is misleading the public! Wait, thats alrady out?
nevermmind them. Speak away. :-)

[Hamlet]

Someone correct me if I'm misunderstanding, but as far as my knowledge goes you dont _have_ to actively fire your rockets/thrusters all the way to the moon - you fire them to get away from the Earth and it's gravitational pull, after a relatively short trip you are "out of the reach" of any serious gravity and with a short burst of the engines you can gain speed which does not slow down much even if you stop firing the engines - the only force you have to counter is that of the (Weakening) attraction of the Earth...getting in orbit with the moon will require some more adjustments.

You are correct, rockets are not fired all the way to the Moon. The Saturn 1st and 2nd stage and a partial burn of the 3rd stage put the CSM/LM into Earth orbit. The crew does a set of checkout procedures and when the time is right the 3rd stage is re-lit and the whole stack heads for the Moon. This is called the Trans Lunar Injection (TLI) and provides the final push to the CSM/LM on its journey at around 24,000 mph.

The CSM/LM coasts the rest of the way slowly losing speed to gravity until it reachs a point where the Moon's gravity is stronger than the Earth's. At that point the CSM/LM begins to pick up speed. As the CSM/LM swings around the far side of the Moon, the SM engine is fired to slow down enough to go into Lunar orbit.

All the speed needed to get to the Moon comes from the Saturn 1st, 2nd and 3rd stages.

[Edited for spelling and grammar]

[Bob B.]

Someone correct me if I'm misunderstanding, but as far as my knowledge goes you dont _have_ to actively fire your rockets/thrusters all the way to the moon - you fire them to get away from the Earth and it's gravitational pull....

Here is a Basics of Space Flight tutorial if you are interested. It gives all the physics and math that Bart Sibrel is clearly so ignorant about.

http://www.braeunig.us/space/basics.htm

[Bob B.]

Sibrel – “Basically, Von Braun stated, through 1958, that for man to reach the moon it would take three gigantic rockets, each three times taller than the Saturn Five (the one used by Apollo.) One from the earth to an earth orbiting space station, another from an earth orbiting space station to a lunar orbiting space station, and a third from a lunar orbiting space station to the lunar surface. (Two space stations would also have to be built.)"

No one had yet thought of lunar orbit rendezvous.


We hired a propulsion specialist, gave him a copy of the Saturn Five flight manual bought at auction, and he calculated that it could not have traveled more than 9,000 miles from the earth.

Sibrel's propulsion specialist must have been the neighbor kid who cuts his grass.

[majic]

Someone correct me if I'm misunderstanding, but as far as my knowledge goes you dont _have_ to actively fire your rockets/thrusters all the way to the moon - you fire them to get away from the Earth and it's gravitational pull....

Here is a Basics of Space Flight tutorial if you are interested. It gives all the physics and math that Bart Sibrel is clearly so ignorant about.

http://www.braeunig.us/space/basics.htm

Yes, after skimming through it a bit things are starting to come back in this gray mass of mine, many thanks! Now let the persons mentioned in the startpost read the same, and you're my hero #-o

[Sakura Kinomoto]

What about the comm signals? My explanatioon explain anything or am I totally offbase

[freddo]

What about the comm signals? My explanatioon explain anything or am I totally offbase

You got half the answer. You can find the whole story somewhere on this board, but the simple response is that the audio delay can only be observed one-way. It's like a satellite interview on TV - it seems like you're perfectly normal, reacting with the other person and answering as soon as they finish talking, but they appear to pause and contemplate everything you say before answering. The person at the other end shares the same observations as you - he answers and you are slow.

[Bob B.]

Yes, after skimming through it a bit things are starting to come back in this gray mass of mine, many thanks! Now let the persons mentioned in the startpost read the same, and you're my hero #-o

There is plenty about Apollo I don't know, but one thing I am reasonably good at is rocketry and orbital mechanics. I haven't encountered an HBer yet who can talk intelligently about these topics. There's nothing that provokes me more than to hear some HBer make ridiculous about how the Saturn V wouldn't work or how the LM wouldn't fly. Bart Sibrel is one of the absolute worst, he is totally clueless!

[JayUtah]

Agreed. I'll debate his "expert" anytime, anywhere. Oh, wait. We don't even know his name.

I've encountered several specialists in addition to Bob. Each one has expertise in some aspect of Apollo. And each one affirms that the conspiracists are not only wrong, but laughably wrong.

[The Bad Astronomer]

Heh. My name is on that page too, in a CNN article. I don't know who "Citizen" is, but he's wrong.

I love it when HBs say there is video of the flag waving with no one touching it. Really? Then by all means, show it to me.

Oddly, no one ever does. I think I know why: it doesn't exist. Any time you see the flag waving, it's because an astronaut is manipulating the flagpole.

[freddo]

I can show you a video of the flag waving with nobody touching it..

It's not what you think though... :wink:

[freddo]

Here we are...


Apollo 14 lunar module ascent filmed from LM window (2.0MB) (http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/40thann/videos.htm)

Link is to the site, the actual video is this one
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/40thann/mpeg/ap14_ascent.mpg

Told you it's not what you think... =D>

[themusk]

I love it when HBs say there is video of the flag waving with no one touching it. Really? Then by all means, show it to me.

What kills me about this claim is that I and an estimated 600 million other people watched the moonwalks live on television. No one I know who saw it at that time saw anything suspicious about the behavior of the flags, and I remember some comments about how truly alien the flags acted in the lunar vacuum.

Do the HBs really think that, out of the astounding number of people around the world who watched the moonwalks live (many of whom had absolutely no love for the US government), that there wouldn't have been at least a few hundred thousand of us (and more likely a few million) right then, right there spotting such an obvious anomaly and immediately demanding an explanation? That it's not possible to immediately conceal or suppress the doubts of that many people? That if suspicious flagwaving really happened in front of us 600 million viewers they wouldn't need to "uncover" and "expose" it 30+ years later?

Or is it that every one of us who knew anything about what we might see in a vacuum are in on the conspiracy, too? :wink:

[Jocke]

and a third from a lunar orbiting space station to the lunar surface.
...
taller than the empire state building, each weighing ten times the amount of the ship the Queen Mary

So, you need a rocket that big just to drop down? And if it runs out of fuel on the way down it'll just stop in mid air (mid vacuum?) like in those Bugs Bunny movies, right?

Say, how much fuel do you need to drop out of orbit anyway?

[Jason Thompson]

We hired a propulsion specialist, gave him a copy of the Saturn Five flight manual bought at auction, and he calculated that it could not have traveled more than 9,000 miles from the earth.

Some expert. The Saturn V rocket didn't have to go that far, as it left huge chunks of itself behind at various points on the journey. It's quite amusing to think that some 'experts' might believe that the entire assembly somehow went to the moon...

I'm curious as to what these guys think about satellite launches. After all, if the biggest and most powerful rocket ever built could not get further than 9000 miles away, how do all those satellites get up so high, or those probes get so far away from Earth that they can send back close-up pictures of Triton? They're all launched on smaller, less powerful rockets after all.

[Bob B.]

Say, how much fuel do you need to drop out of orbit anyway?

That depends on many factors. Just to deorbit doesn't require much at all, it's the keeping from crashing part that uses the most propellant. :) In the case of the LM it took approximately 8 tonnes of propellant to land 6.5 tonnes on the lunar surface.

[majic]

We hired a propulsion specialist, gave him a copy of the Saturn Five flight manual bought at auction, and he calculated that it could not have traveled more than 9,000 miles from the earth.

Some expert. The Saturn V rocket didn't have to go that far, as it left huge chunks of itself behind at various points on the journey. It's quite amusing to think that some 'experts' might believe that the entire assembly somehow went to the moon...

I'm curious as to what these guys think about satellite launches. After all, if the biggest and most powerful rocket ever built could not get further than 9000 miles away, how do all those satellites get up so high, or those probes get so far away from Earth that they can send back close-up pictures of Triton? They're all launched on smaller, less powerful rockets after all.

Thats all fake. There never _Were_ any sattelites....its all a big worldwide conspiracy thing.

GPS and GSM are really not what you think - they have invisible antennae everywhere, that look like trees, buildings, mountains, even people or camels. These transmit the data in a relay fashion.

[Bob B.]

Thats all fake. There never _Were_ any satellites....its all a big worldwide conspiracy thing.

Then what are all those lights we see traversing the sky every night? Oh wait ... those must be the alien spacecraft that all the abductees are being whisked away to.

[tofu]

Me - “communicating, NASA and the moon astronauts had no delays. Yet, there are even delays from one point of Earth to the other. A Houston guy asks a question, just half a second later, the astronaut replies. Quite hard proof!”

Sibrel – [i]“Yes, it is. On the tape I uncovered there is a third channel of audio (Houston + Astronauts + CIA?) When Houston finishes speaking there is a four second delay then the third party says "talk". They apparently tried to correct this by having the astronauts wait until prompted in an ear piece to create the effect of a radio delay.

This is my favorite type of hoax argument. Basically, Sibrel is saying that the people who perpetrated the hoax were total morons. Why didn't they just get one of those machines that radio stations use to create an audio delay? Why not just build one themselves? All they would need is an old reel to reel tape recorder. What Houston says would get recorded on the tape as it comes off one reel, then it would be fed through a series of rollers for 30 seconds or whatever the delay time is supposed to be, then it would pass over a read head and be played back for the astronauts. That's all they had to do. The whole setup would have cost maybe $30. But no, Sibrel claims they got some CIA smuck to stand there with a stopwatch prompting the astronauts.

I mean, think about it for a minute. NASA can orchestrate this beautiful and elaborate hoax that successfully fools billions of people for decades, but they can't build a audio delay machine??

[Bob B.]

This is my favorite type of hoax argument. Basically, Sibrel is saying that the people who perpetrated the hoax were total morons.

Agreed. Take for example the claims about the LM's design. Sibrel has got some real doozies like how the fuel tanks aren't large enough, etc. (you can read some more HERE (http://www.moonmovie.com/15things.html)). Even if NASA couldn't make the thing work, what kind of complete morons would they have to be to produce a design that is noncompliant with the laws of physics!? If that were the case, the hoax would have been exposed before the thing ever got off the ground.

[tofu]

There is a whole class of arguments along those lines. Sibriel claims the door on the LEM is too small for the astronauts to go through. Come on, surely someone at NASA would have said "hey wait, the door is too small, no one is going to believe this hoax we're trying to pull off!" But in Sibrel's world, NASA was too stupid to make that tiny intellectual leap - yet they are still good enough to fool most of the world (basically everyone but Sibrel).

HBs say the camera that filmed Armstrong's first steps couldn't have been there. Actually, the camera was on the end of a swing arm that Armstrong deployed as he climbed down the ladder. But the HBs don't believe that. They think a NASA film crew was there and that not one person in the crew said "hey guys, there's no way we could actually film this, so if we broadcast it we'll be giving away the hoax!"

HBs point to the little cross hairs on Apollo photographs that appear to be behind some objects and say it's evidence that the foreground objects were pasted *with glue* on top of scenery photographs. In other words, they think that NASA had this whole intricate moonscape set but when they wanted a photograph of something, they couldn't just put it on the set and snap a picture, they for some reason used glue and scissors.

[AstroMike]

I sent that Chris Lancaster guy an e-mail asking to defend his hoax page here.

I got a reply back, but I can't post here.

[ktesibios]

I mean, think about it for a minute. NASA can orchestrate this beautiful and elaborate hoax that successfully fools billions of people for decades, but they can't build a audio delay machine??

Or bought one. Tape-based audio signal delays were off-the-shelf items in '69. :roll:

[Sigma_Orionis]

I mean, think about it for a minute. NASA can orchestrate this beautiful and elaborate hoax that successfully fools billions of people for decades, but they can't build a audio delay machine??

Or bought one. Tape-based audio signal delays were off-the-shelf items in '69. :roll:

No, that can't be! If today's calculators are more powerful than the 1960s computers how can we believe Tape-based audio signal delay devices existed in the the 60s? :roll: :lol:

[Bob B.]

There is a whole class of arguments along those lines. Sibriel claims the door on the LEM is too small for the astronauts to go through. Come on, surely someone at NASA would have said "hey wait, the door is too small, no one is going to believe this hoax we're trying to pull off!" But in Sibrel's world, NASA was too stupid to make that tiny intellectual leap - yet they are still good enough to fool most of the world (basically everyone but Sibrel).

I'm an engineer and it took many years of study and hard work to be able to say that. I don't know about anyone else, but I feel personally insulted when simple-minded individuals like Bart Sibrel, Ralph Rene, et al. try to make a mockery out of the profession. The arrogance (and ignorance) of these people is astounding.

Even if NASA did fake it, a great deal of engineering would have gone into the "fake" hardware. There is no way NASA would make the kind of blunders the HBers alleged.

[JayUtah]

As a fellow engineer I sympathize. I'm also riled by suggestions that one doesn't need any sort of detailed education or employment experience to criticize and second-guess these designs; that it's all a matter of "common sense". I fail to be impressed by the opinions of people who've never built anything more complicated than a birdhouse.

[Glom]

I sympathise as well. I'm not an engineer, but I have studied Apollo quite a bit and it annoys me when nurks who can't tell the difference between an OPS and an ALSEP presume to have the knowledge to call the whole thing a hoax.

[Swift]

As a fellow engineer I sympathize. I'm also riled by suggestions that one doesn't need any sort of detailed education or employment experience to criticize and second-guess these designs; that it's all a matter of "common sense". I fail to be impressed by the opinions of people who've never built anything more complicated than a birdhouse.
I doubt any of these people could actually build a birdhouse.

And since tape-players are no longer being made (maybe they are, but you can't buy one at K-Mart), then all those audio tapes are faked. There is no way you could have had audio without MP3 players and CDs. All those LPs I have are part of the hoax.

[Bob B.]

I sympathise as well. I'm not an engineer, but ...

You're a Bad PhD so that should make you an honorary engineer.

[sts60]

And since tape-players are no longer being made (maybe they are, but you can't buy one at K-Mart), then all those audio tapes are faked. There is no way you could have had audio without MP3 players and CDs. All those LPs I have are part of the hoax.

This could be a lot of fun - Things That Are Not Possible.

From Swift:
8-track tapes
Vinyl records
From others on BABB:
Supersonic passenger jets
Mach 3+ reconaissence planes
Other random ideas:
Carbureted automobiles
Mechanical pocket calculators (see January '04 Scientific American)
Robots controlled by cams
Pyramids

I'm pretty sure all of the above are impossible - do you see any of them being built today?

[Bob B.]

This could be a lot of fun - Things That Are Not Possible.


How about dirigibles? This would mean the Hindenburg disaster was all a hoax. That was some pretty impressive special effects for 1937.

[AGN Fuel]

I fail to be impressed by the opinions of people who've never built anything more complicated than a birdhouse.

Hey - birdhouses can be pretty darned tricky. What, with the wood, and the glue - and don't even get me started about that metally wire stuff! [-X

[die Nullte]

Hey - birdhouses can be pretty darned tricky. What, with the wood, and the glue - and don't even get me started about that metally wire stuff!

Good bird houses are made entirely of wood with a few nails. They don't need glue or "wire stuff."

[ktesibios]

[quote="Swift
And since tape-players are no longer being made (maybe they are, but you can't buy one at K-Mart), then all those audio tapes are faked. There is no way you could have had audio without MP3 players and CDs. All those LPs I have are part of the hoax.[/quote]

And since audio recording was clearly impossible before the invention of hard-disk-based DAWs, I wonder how we convinced ourselves that we were doing recording sessions back then.

Musta been the drugs... :wink:

And, while I'm at it, what about TV? We're told that there were TV broadcasts as far back as the Fifties, and even experimental ones before WWII.

Modern TV receivers are mostly based on integrated circuits- just take the back off of one and you'll see. But the PTB would have us believe that such complex things were built with primitive vacuum tube technology- an obvious impossibility to anyone with the smarts to use a mouse! :lol:

[Papa Bear]

So, you need a rocket that big just to drop down? And if it runs out of fuel on the way down it'll just stop in mid air (mid vacuum?) like in those Bugs Bunny movies, right?

Say, how much fuel do you need to drop out of orbit anyway?

Aww, you don't need fuel to land -- you just drop an anvil out the window.

[Papa Bear]

I love it when HBs say there is video of the flag waving with no one touching it. Really? Then by all means, show it to me.


(snipped)

But you see, they can't cause it's mislabelled, lost deep in a NASA vault, waiting for it's 30-year-languishing-just-in-the-nick-of-time discovery by the dedicated, truth-seeking "investigative journalist" (hack!) (sorry, got this cough). :)

[Papa Bear]

I'm curious as to what these guys think about satellite launches. After all, if the biggest and most powerful rocket ever built could not get further than 9000 miles away, how do all those satellites get up so high, or those probes get so far away from Earth that they can send back close-up pictures of Triton? They're all launched on smaller, less powerful rockets after all.

Fairies. It's all done by fairies. They're a might powerful. But one does drop dead every time somebody says they don't believe in'em.

Hey...I don't believe in HBers, I don't believe in HBers...nah! What fun would that be?

[DataCable]

I love it when HBs say there is video of the flag waving with no one touching it. Really? Then by all means, show it to me.

But you see, they can't cause it's mislabelled, lost deep in a NASA vault...
Meaning that it was mislabeld and lost after they saw it? Remember, they aren't claiming there's film the gub'mint is withholding, they're claiming they've seen it.

But, you're probably right. When true believers are presented with evidence which doesn't meet their recallections, they usually side with those fauly memories and declare the evidence fraudulant. :roll:

[JayUtah]

The trick is to make a birdhouse without any fasteners or adhesives at all. See if you can do it all with static joinery. German engineers are whizzes at this.

So what if the tape had been mislabeled? What's the big deal with that? Was it mislabeled so that no one would ever find it? If you don't want anyone to find it, then you keep in a vault someplace, not with the other tapes, "hidden" behind a false label. And if the point is to keep someone from seeing it, why would you just send it out to any bloke who asks for it? The only credible explanation for the mislabeling is a legitimate clerical mistake. None of what else happens makes sense otherwise. The conspiracy theorists have only the talent of making the mundane seem sinister.

[Papa Bear]

If you don't want anyone to find it, then you keep in a vault someplace, not with the other tapes, "hidden" behind a false label. And if the point is to keep someone from seeing it, why would you just send it out to any bloke who asks for it? The only credible explanation for the mislabeling is a legitimate clerical mistake.

(snipped)

Ah, yes! That's exactly what "they" want you to think! ;-)
:lol:

[Swift]

This could be a lot of fun - Things That Are Not Possible.
Now see what you've done, you got the old folks thinking...
- rotary phones
- telegraph
- steam locomotives
- muskets
- armor (the kind the knights wore)
- cathedrals with gargoyles
- cave paintings
- flint tools and scrappers
- fire making without matches or lighters

[aporetic_r]

Now see what you've done, you got the old folks thinking...
- rotary phones
- telegraph
- steam locomotives
- muskets
- armor (the kind the knights wore)
- cathedrals with gargoyles
- cave paintings
- flint tools and scrappers
- fire making without matches or lighters

- big, meaty cellphones (obviously too huge to be lifted all the way to a person's ear; people held them at teir waists and yelled)
- penny farthing bicycles (that thing would be impossible to land...err...park, with that huge front wheel and no brakes)
- Lincoln logs made out of real wood (the wood was faked by cooking plastic and special resins in a secret type of oven)
- a truly great Star Wars movie

Aporetic

[Sigma_Orionis]

If you don't want anyone to find it, then you keep in a vault someplace, not with the other tapes, "hidden" behind a false label. And if the point is to keep someone from seeing it, why would you just send it out to any bloke who asks for it? The only credible explanation for the mislabeling is a legitimate clerical mistake.

(snipped)

Ah, yes! That's exactly what "they" want you to think! ;-)
:lol:

Actually THAT tape is stored right besides the plans for the bypass that went through Arthur Dent's house:

"But the plans were on display..."
"On display? I eventually had to go down to the cellar to find them."
"That's the display department."
"With a flashlight."
"Ah, well, the lights had probably gone."
"So had the stairs."
"But look, you found the notice, didn't you?"
"Yes," said Arthur, "yes I did. It was on display on the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying 'Beware of the Leopard.''

:D

[AGN Fuel]

The trick is to make a birdhouse without any fasteners or adhesives at all. See if you can do it all with static joinery. German engineers are whizzes at this.

Well sure, if you want to do it the easy way. But back when I was a youngster, we would have no joints at all - the whole thing would be whittled down out of a solid block of wood. With a spoon. [-X

But you tell that to the kids today, and they just won't believe you.... :lol: :lol:

[wedgebert]

At least you got a spoon. I had to my fingernails.

(And to think, this is my official Bad Master post)

[Swift]

Has anyone every noticed the fact that every discussion on this board eventually ends up with us trading lines from Monty Python, Faulty Towers, and The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy. Not that I complaining mind you, I'm as much a contributor to this mental entropy. And I'm not looking for an argument.

[JayUtah]

At any moment I expect Graham Chapman to stroll up in uniform and chide us all for being too silly.

Now on the command "Click!" I want you to click on to the next topic.

Ready... Wait for it! Click!

[AGN Fuel]

:lol:

[Mellow]

Congratulations Wedgebert, nice contribution to become a BadMaster with.

=D>

[Papa Bear]

Has anyone every noticed the fact that every discussion on this board eventually ends up with us trading lines from Monty Python, Faulty Towers, and The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy. Not that I complaining mind you, I'm as much a contributor to this mental entropy. And I'm not looking for an argument.

Well, yeah! I don't know a thing about rocket science, physics, astronomy, et al ad infinitum, but I know a good joke when I read it. That's what brings me here, boys.

[Jason Thompson]

Hey...I don't believe in HBers, I don't believe in HBers...nah! What fun would that be?

Stop! Don't you see that if we kill them all off we would have no-one to debate!

Rather like those aliens who want to take over the Universe in programmes like Dr Who: what would they do if they actually did conquer everything? What would the HBs do if it were ever actually proved that NASA faked the moon landings? Say 'I told you so' and twiddle their thumbs?

[Maksutov]

At least you got a spoon. I had to my fingernails.

(And to think, this is my official Bad Master post)

Speaking of bait, try cutting down the tallest tree in the forest with a herring sometime!

Pew!

[-(

PS: who is this "Python" fellow? And why are folks here giving him the "Monty"?