Has anyone tried this yet? [Archive]

Jens

2009-Jun-22, 02:46 AM

I'm just guessing from the title that this is dealing with trepanation. AFAIK it's an accepted medical procedure, and has been used for millennia, literally, to relieve pressure on the brain from blood clots (like after having your skull smashed with a club). Any use beyond that should be viewed with a lot of skepticism.

Ara Pacis

2009-Jun-22, 03:55 AM

I prefer tylenol, but it also starts with a "T".

Atraveller

2009-Jun-22, 04:39 AM

I prefer to not make too many holes in my head... enough air blows through the ones already there...

sarongsong

2009-Jun-22, 05:32 AM

Has anyone tried this yet?...If you'd read the article you linked to, you'd know the answer... :rolleyes:

tashirosgt

2009-Jun-22, 06:13 AM

I mean: has any forum member tried this yet?

Gillianren

2009-Jun-22, 06:26 AM

I don't have a medical condition for which trepanation is a reasonable solution.

Gandalf223

2009-Jun-22, 06:51 AM

The pressure inside your head. <SNIP!> Cut a hole to relieve the pressure. What could be simpler?

And for a lot of people, the hole could also be used for implantation purposes.

sarongsong

2009-Jun-22, 07:08 AM

I don't have a medical condition for which trepanation is a reasonable solution.Apparently, that's not a requirement...
I mean: has any forum member tried this yet?"How much is it?"
...The hypothesis here at ITAG has been that making a opening in the skull favorably alters movement of blood through the brain and improves brain functions which are more important than ever before in history to adapt to an ever more rapidly changing world.
The supposition here at ITAG has been that every advantage should be available to anyone choosing to retain and improve their mental functions through their life span and thus assure their fullest participation in this one certain life, for their own well being and for the well being of the entire world population....

...Let me know if it works...You really don't remember... :confused:

AGN Fuel

2009-Jun-22, 07:08 AM

Surgical burr holes are an emergency department technique to relieve the pressure of haematoma on the brain following a traumatic head injury. Such operations are (when necessary) conducted by qualified personnel in emergency situations, where to take no action would be life threatening to the patient. They are closely tended afterward, especially with a view to monitoring intracranial pressures and to prevent infection of the wound.

I have heard of people who have practiced trepanning or had it done to themselves in... shall we say, less clinical conditions. The recipients of such treatment are, as a rule, uninsurable...

btw - the 'pressure' relieved by this treatment is not the sort of pressure caused by a demanding boss, your girlfriend leaving you and a late rent payment. If you think otherwise, then sadly after treatment you will still have had a tough day at work, a cold bed and a landlord threatening eviction, but now you'll have a hole in your head as well. This is not a good thing to have! :hand:

slang

2009-Jun-22, 08:35 AM

This is not a good thing to have! :hand:

I need this like I need a hole in my h... nevermind.

jokergirl

2009-Jun-22, 02:50 PM

Sounds like an ad to me. Where are the mods?

;)

PraedSt

2009-Jun-22, 02:56 PM

I mean: has any forum member tried this yet?
Is this a serious question? Or are you joking?

tashirosgt

2009-Jun-22, 05:03 PM

Is this a serious question? Or are you joking?

Would anyone on this forum ever resort to joking ?

(Of course, I'm joking! But I don't think that website is joking.)

slang

2009-Jun-22, 05:21 PM

Would anyone on this forum ever resort to joking ?

I think that happened once. The mods probably moved the post. The scary things is that those sort of websites have been put forward in all seriousness. And with a new poster one cannot always tell.

PraedSt

2009-Jun-22, 05:35 PM

Well I think this shows why we may need smilies. :)

Van Rijn

2009-Jun-22, 09:43 PM

Well I think this shows why we may need smilies. :)

Definitely. That's one of the problems of reading the ATM and CT forums. There are quite a number of instances I've asked if a new poster was joking when they presented an absurd idea. The answer was almost always "no." (I can remember one - just one - exception.)

tashirosgt

2009-Jun-22, 11:59 PM

If someone was posting directions to a hospital, it would be nice to be warned of frivolous intent by a smiley. But on the "Off Topic Babbling" forum, it hardly seems necessary. One noble motivation would be: If the person is serious and deluded then I shall do by best to set him straight. Another motivation would be: If the person is serious and deluded then I am really going to ridicule this idiot.

Trying to fix the world by internet posting isn't going to work anyway. So it doesn't disturb me if posts don't provide hints to counselors. Smileys in posts? Are you serious?

mugaliens

2009-Jun-23, 02:02 AM

I need this like I need a hole in my h... nevermind.

I was waiting for that... Surprised someone didn't post it sooner!

Van Rijn

2009-Jun-23, 02:38 AM

Trying to fix the world by internet posting isn't going to work anyway. So it doesn't disturb me if posts don't provide hints to counselors.

I'm not going to try to fix the world, but if I see someone making extremely disturbing posts, I'm going to be very careful in what I say to them, if I say anything at all. In those cases, an unstated joke isn't terribly funny, and if they aren't joking, it's worse.

Smileys in posts? Are you serious?

Yes, definitely, or something to indicate a joke.

01101001

2009-Jun-23, 02:46 AM

Let me know if it works.

Dunno. But I'm keeping an open mind.

Sorry.

(And, I'll add a request for more disclosure when posting links. I don't cherish surprises.)

Salty

2009-Jun-23, 03:19 AM

No, I've never tried trepanning, on neither myself nor another.

I think modern doctors have a different word for that, than trepan.

Jens

2009-Jun-23, 04:54 AM

I was waiting for that... Surprised someone didn't post it sooner!

I was thinking of doing it, but didn't want to be a "bore".

slang

2009-Jun-23, 06:47 AM

I was thinking of doing it, but didn't want to be a "bore".

Ouch.. ah well, such things must be posted, we all know the drill.

Jens

2009-Jun-23, 07:14 AM

Ouch.. ah well, such things must be posted, we all know the drill.

Yes, you hit it right on the nail. I'd try to make a counterargument, but I'm afraid it would be full of holes.

jokergirl

2009-Jun-23, 07:59 AM

I think the expression you're looking for is you hit the *nail* on the *head*. Get it?

;)

sarongsong

2009-Jun-23, 08:07 AM

Yes, you hit it right on the nail...Then there's the DIYers...

"You just nailed me in the head'' (http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P1-19561091.html)

Maha Vailo

2009-Jun-23, 11:35 AM

What the world needs is a way to improve brain function and alter blood flow to the brain that didn't require invasive surgery. Anybody got any suggestions?

- Maha (enough with the jokes already, it's beginning to look like the Snopes forum) Vailo

Gillianren

2009-Jun-23, 05:22 PM

What the world needs is a way to improve brain function and alter blood flow to the brain that didn't require invasive surgery. Anybody got any suggestions?

Why does the world need that for the average person?

Maha Vailo

2009-Jun-23, 05:39 PM

Why does the world need that for the average person?

Why do you question the need for altered blood flow to the brain and increased brain function for an average person. Are you implying that doing this (even non-surgically) can somehow be bad?

I'm not talking about putting a hole in your head, just non-invasive ways of achieving the same alleged end.

- Maha Vailo

NEOWatcher

2009-Jun-23, 05:44 PM

Why do you question the need for altered blood flow to the brain and increased brain function for an average person. Are you implying that doing this (even non-surgically) can somehow be bad?
Did you notice the word "need"?
"Not needed", and "bad" are not the same thing.

trinitree88

2009-Jun-23, 05:55 PM

Ara Pacis

2009-Jun-23, 05:57 PM

Why does the world need that for the average person?

I am reminded of something George Carlin once said. "Think about how stupid the average person is. Now realize, half of them are stupider than that."

mahesh

2009-Jun-23, 06:05 PM

Actually altered blood flow to the brain is exactly the effect of alcohol....the increased blood viscosity slows the delivery of oxygen, just like mountain climbing....and the brain responds accordingly....hence drinks limits on flights.

Holes in the head I like though....had a student whose Uncle lost both eardrums at the Battle of the Bulge. She claimed he'd entertain the kids by inhaling cigarette smoke, hold his nose, and blow smoke out his ears, through the Eustachian tubes. would've liked to have seen that. I asked her if he could put his mouth and nose in water....facedown....and breathe through his ears. Could've won a lot of bets on that one:whistle::shifty::lol: pete

Hey Pete...
:D
I reckon some yogis and / or saddhus, in India can do that kind of stuff.
Varanasi and the environs must be full of such 'talented' folk.
Other, experienced people, elsewhere in the world, who are also into yoga, in a big way, would be able to do so too. And more besides.

I was / am, into tree panning. Have a few pictures somewhere...shooting some fauna traipsing through the undergrowth.

Ara Pacis

2009-Jun-23, 06:36 PM

I was / am, into tree panning. Have a few pictures somewhere...shooting some fauna traipsing through the undergrowth.

I was thinking more along the lines of tree-potting, but since I don't have a yard, I have to wait until Arbor Day.

Maha Vailo

2009-Jun-24, 07:54 PM

Actually altered blood flow to the brain is exactly the effect of alcohol....the increased blood viscosity slows the delivery of oxygen, just like mountain climbing....and the brain responds accordingly....hence drinks limits on flights.

So altering blood flow to the brain essentially decreases brain function rather than increasing it? Kinda puts the lie to the claims in the link in the OP.

How do you increase your brain function, anyway?

- Maha "pay no mind to the woos" Vailo

sarongsong

2009-Jun-24, 10:03 PM

Sherlock Holmes used a 7% solution (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cocaine#Cocaine_sulfate), as I recall... http://www.bautforum.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Maha Vailo

2009-Jun-25, 12:33 AM

^ I meant legally. And that stuff will rot your brain, not improve it.

What I need is something that will improve my brain function that is both legal and non-invasive. Don't ask the reason, I just want to know.

- Maha Vailo

Ara Pacis

2009-Jun-25, 01:12 AM

Caffeine, Chocolate?

Jens

2009-Jun-25, 01:42 AM

What I need is something that will improve my brain function that is both legal and non-invasive. Don't ask the reason, I just want to know.

Practice? Like studying?

mugaliens

2009-Jun-25, 05:20 AM

What the world needs is a way to improve brain function and alter blood flow to the brain that didn't require invasive surgery. Anybody got any suggestions?

Walking.

Or for that matter, any form of mild aerobic exercise improves blood flow to the brain, without taxing it like borderline aerobic/anaerobic exercise will do (hard running, swimming, basketball, etc.).

As for improving brain function, I have it on good authority that BAUTing is an exceptionally good way to improve one's brain function...

...but only if one stays out of the Fun-N-Games section... (ducks as a five-letter word is thrown...)

sarongsong

2009-Jun-25, 11:47 PM

I meant legally. And that stuff will rot your brain, not improve it...Well, certainly in that high a concentration! However
...The cultivation, sale, and possession of unprocessed coca leaf (but not of any processed form of cocaine) is generally legal in the countries – such as Bolivia, Peru, Chile and Argentina – where traditional use is established...coca chewing and drinking of coca tea is carried out daily by millions of people in the Andes...In the United States, the Stepan Company of Maywood, New Jersey has the only license to legally import coca leaf...and also produces a cocaine-free extract of the coca leaf, which is used as a flavoring ingredient in Coca-Cola...
wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coca#Legal_status)A Bolivian friend brought back a few boxes of coca-leaf tea bags that were packaged exactly like Liptons or Celestial Seasonings.
...What I need is something that will improve my brain function that is both legal and non-invasive...One of the better PBS offerings:
Brain Fitness Program and Neuroplasticity (http://www.sharpbrains.com/blog/2007/12/02/brain-fitness-program-and-neuroplasticity-pbs/)