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darrwin
2009-Feb-16, 03:49 PM
I tried to watch national Geographic Channel's new series "Known Universe" last night--but gave up in disgust in the middle of the second program of the 3 1-hour shows.

I should have known better after seeing the commercials all week: something like "When you wish upon a star--even at the speed of light, it will take 5 million years to get there!"

Umm, why would anyone wish on a star that's outside our own galaxy (100,000 LY across) and more than twice as far away as the Andromeda galaxy (2 million LY)? Is there ANYTHING 5 million LY away that can be seen by the naked eye? Maybe the faintest smudge of another galaxy. Why would anyone wish on that when there are thousands of bright, naked-eye stars to choose from? Traditionally, it's Venus ("Star light, star bright, first star I see tonight..."), the evening star and Goddess of Love--a few light minutes away.

But "Known Universe": plenty of one-liners and catchy quotes from well-known astronomers, physicists, etc., cut up and pasted into a rapid-fire series of flashy computer graphics. The astronomers aren't the problem. It's the crappy editing, apparently by editors who just don't get the points that the scientists are trying to make, and probably don't really know or care about the science they claim to be explaining.

Case in point: An astronomer raises the issue that most people don't understand the scale of the solar system because they've just seen those cheap classroom mobiles or other displays of planets and sun--crammed so close together that they're almost touching (and probably not in the right size ratios anyway). My hopes were raised: I've made true-scale displays, and I know that most people don't have a clue about the real size ratios and distances involved. So "Known Universe" starts out with an astronomer holding a small rubber ball ("...if this represents the sun..."), then flashes to a football stadium (good analogy--use a familiar-sized reference), then COMPLETELY DROPS the whole keep-it-to scale concept! They paste in a graphic Sun way bigger than the goalposts. What the hell? At that scale, Mercury would have to be far past the outer parking lot! But nooo! We're treated to a Mercury much too huge for the scale of the Sun, and so close that it's almost touching it!

I know exactly what they did: the scientist gave them a good size-and -distance analogy (baseball-size Sun and various other peas, BBs, pinheads, etc. stretched over the yardlines at appropriate distances to show the real size and distance scale of the solar system. But the editors just didn't get it. They couldn't resist sticking in their giant graphics so that the stadium was filled up with huge, colorful, blimp-sized balls! The result was no better than what they started out with--a 2nd grade science fair project, with styrofoam Sun and planets hanging from a coathanger. Actually, it was worse, since it purported to be a correct size and distance display!

And so it goes. I gave up in the middle of the 2nd hour, when several physicists were emphasizing the point that 99.999...% of an atom is empty space, and the sizes of the subatomic particles are as nothing compared to that space. Yet "Known Universe" continued to show us graphics of atoms with a clump of proton and neutron marbles in the middle, with similar-sized electron marbles whizzing around, not much more than a marble-diameter from the nucleus!

I found I was grinding my teeth, so I gave up and found "Top Ten Tanks" on the Military Channel.

Maybe others who watched more of "Known Universe" could fill in more egregious errors they spotted in the programs.

closetgeek
2009-Feb-16, 04:27 PM
I have never seen the show but that's probably because I have already given up on Nat Geo. As a matter of fact I have given up on most of the so-called "educational programming." Their attempts to reach a more mainstream audience has brought it to the equivilent of Hollywood's idea of based on a true story.

If you really want to do some damage grinding your teeth, watch Animal Planets Lost tapes.

Grand_Lunar
2009-Feb-17, 12:38 PM
What's "Lost Tapes" all about?
I've seen ads for it, but never found managed to watch it.

I figured the same thing for that line on "Known Universe" about wishing upon a star; you'd be wishing on a star well outside our own galaxy!

From the description, it does seem the program went more for drama than accuracy.

I remember a couple of solar system models that were shown on "Bill Nye The Science Guy".
THAT was what ought to have been done.

closetgeek
2009-Feb-17, 01:08 PM
Grand Lost Tapes is just aweful. They take an urban legend such as Megaconda's or Skin Walkers (shapeshifting humans) and say things like "this is something science refuses to accept" as though it's some kind of conspiracy to keep this truth from us. Then they make a mock home video of a supposed encounter with the creature. One was about birds that are big enough to carry away children in California. My kids are really into the show and kept asking me to watch it with them and they were convinced it's real. In between clips of the video, they show little facts and folklore surrounding the creatures. Oh it's just aweful!

I have to see Known Universe, to see what you are talking about. My guess, though, is the science started out with good intentions but got lost in directing and editing. What I don't understand though is even when you stick to the facts and leave out the dramatic eye candy, it's still so interesting, why would they even need to mess around with it? Remember, Cosmos? Carl Sagan was all about sticking with the facts and he had the most watched science show of all time.

publiusr
2009-Feb-20, 07:25 PM
I rather liked the program myself. The CGI was better than some of the asteroids I'd seen from other meshes--they had the size of stars lined up.

I like the 2hr. special narrated by one of the Baldwins a few months ago even better.

Space also has a home on the history channel.

jlhredshift
2009-Feb-20, 09:56 PM
I did like the show where the two young ladies kayaked at Lake Powell. There were lots of of good shots of the eroded sedimentary rocks.

publiusr
2009-May-01, 06:51 PM
I enjoyed seeing our own BA on Naked Science about how to kill a planet.

They had a map of dark matter and used it to describe anti-matter. That wasn't good.

One of the graphics showing the spherical probe as it melted its way to the core was from another program on deep probes to the earth using a super meltdown or something. It might have been nice to say where the graphics came from.

I am looking forward to seeing a program on Cosmic superstrings, domain walls and textures and what they might look like.

Chip
2009-May-02, 11:22 PM
I tried to watch national Geographic Channel's new series "Known Universe" last night--but gave up......cut up and pasted into a rapid-fire series of flashy computer graphics. The astronomers aren't the problem. It's the crappy editing...

What I can't stand on some shows is "eye yanking". That's when instead of simply cutting or on rare occasion dissolving from one shot to the next, or balancing close-ups and long shots within traditional editing techniques that enhance what you're watching rather than draw attention to the editing, they instead literally "yank" your eyes around with rapid pans, sudden zooms into people's faces, sudden rapid sped up motions; quickly "yanking" your eyes here and there from scene to scene.

They're afraid you'll loose interest in how planets form or how galaxies evolve, so they cram in bright flashes between scenes, accompanied by electronic swooshing sounds and keep things constantly moving. This might be an MTV rock video influence but I wish they'd stop it.

On the other hand, "Mysteries of Deep Space" a three part PBS series of about a decade ago was visually beautiful - the NatGeo editors should go study that!