Galactic Tsunami?

[claire99]

There is a thread on another forum that is causing a stir talking about a potential galactic Tsunami. I was wondering if anyone had any scientific insight into this?

Heres the links...

Origional Thread:
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bbs/message.php?page=1&messageid=347287&showdate=2/22/07&mpage=1

The "abridged version" on a private site:
http://heidi-lore.tripod.com/id27.html

I know it sounds strange, but really is there any possible truth to this? It is scary.

Thanks in advance.

[Kaptain K]

GLP has been shown to cause brain damage in laboratory lawyers! :eek:

[publius]

See, yet another question stemming from this "2012 galactic plane crossing stuff". However, here, it's gonna happen soon, March of this year from what little I read before I had to quit.

To the OP: this is pure unadulterated nonsense. There is nothing there at all.

Second, did I see some claim that Eta Carinae is going to go supernova, and that will be what fries us? :)

-Richard

[01101001]

See, yet another question stemming from this "2012 galactic plane crossing stuff".

2012? 2012! Slowly, I turned... step by step... inch by inch... (http://www.niagarafallsreporter.com/slowly.html)

Galactic Tsunami? (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=54418)
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2012: What do you think well happen (if anything) (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=53924)
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about the Mayan 2012 item (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=10214)
2012 Debunking? (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=10724)
Possible asteroid impact in 2012? (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=10924)
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More on 2012 from India Daily (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=16709)
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2012 Stuff (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=51021)
Date: December 21st 2012 (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=53831)
Earth passing thru Galactic center in 2012 - didn't that already happen? (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=53904)
2012: What do you think well happen (if anything) (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=53924)

[Swift]

claire99,
Welcome to BAUT. My fellow BAUTers have heard this question many times, so that is why we are reacting the way we are. This stuff about a Galactic Tsunami is absolute nonsense, and the fact that it was reported on godlikeproducts is only further proof.

[IIce]

This guy came to GLP well into the thread talked about above. Both IP's of ESA and White are from same area in Germany.

Would some of you guys come over to GLP and tell us why this post is bull.

thanks

ice





Many of you have been asking for a date. Let me give you one:
March 9.

I would also like to tell you my name, but I cant. What I can say is this: I dont know ESA DE personally, but I do have a pretty good idea as to who he is; so in a convoluted way, we are.

Unlike ESA DE, my scientific background is exactly zero. However, I do have contacts who tell me things in laymans terms. Tell it to me like Im a five-year old, I say. And thats what they do.

To be honest, there are some things I would much rather not know about, and the galactic tsunami is one of them. Yes, they really are using that term: tsunami.

Who are they you might very well ask.

They are the same kind of people who work at the ESA. I know them socially and sometimes on a professional basis. Im a US citizen (born in the UK) on contract in Germany. I use the term citizen guardedly, if only because my remit is not exactly civilian in the normal sense. No, Im not an MiB. Just something like that, minus the mythology. Throw in the tag semi-freelance for good measure.

I’ve been watching this thread develop, and I’m not the only one. Your moderator will already have noticed some strange IP addresses over the past few days. Intel and military monitors are all over this site, and I have no doubt that their masters (some of whom I know) are quietly sweating the nervous stuff as you begin to put the pieces together to build a very scary picture that corresponds to the real situation.

[Jeff Root]

Ice,

I'm your daddy!

-- Gordon Shumway

[pzkpfw]

Would some of you guys come over to GLP and tell us why this post is bull.

Why go there when you can read it here?

http://www.bautforum.com/showpost.php?p=932723&postcount=4

Cheers,

[SharkByte]

The first line in the thread this is referencing:


I work as a research assistant at the European Space Agency in Darmstadt, Germany. I'm breaking all the rules in warning you, but it has to be said.

Research assistant = Sells hot dogs at the vendor outside the ESA office.

I automatically assume any the world is comming to an end posts I see are pure nonsence. So far I have always been right. If I'm ever wrong, you won't be here to point it out to me so I won't care:)

[Gillianren]

The concept doesn't even make sense. There's no substance in space to act the way the water does in a tsunami.

[Swift]

<snip>
Research assistant = Sells hot dogs at the vendor outside the ESA office.

I assume you are joking, but having been a Research Assistant in a science lab, it is a lot more than being a hot dog vendor (nothing against hotdog vendors).

I just assumed the part about being an RA was as much bunk as the rest.

[Sticks]

This isn't a rehash of this is it ? (http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/news/killercloud.html)

[SharkByte]

I assume you are joking, but having been a Research Assistant in a science lab, it is a lot more than being a hot dog vendor (nothing against hotdog vendors).

I just assumed the part about being an RA was as much bunk as the rest.

Sarcasm :)

That was a reference to the way people tend to inflate their position in life to make themselves seem more important when they are trying to pass off littel bits of information they heard from someone who heard it from someone as fact.

Kind of like if I were to tell you I'm a rocket scientist because I work on systems related to Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles. I have a basic understanding of how an ICBM does what it does and I can hold my own in a conversation about Minuteman III's and Peacekeeper rockets but I'm far from a rocket scientist.

By saying he was a reseach assistant working for ESA what he probably ment was he works for the guy who owns the hot dog vendor on the sidewalk outside the ESA office...

Its not nearly as funny when you have to explain it... /sigh

[astromark]

This ridiculous assertion that this solar system will be bombarded with debris as it passes through the galactic plain is completely unfounded or supported by the evidence. This cycle of the solar system is well understood and has been well studied. We are gravitationally bound to this planet as it is to the sun as it is to the galactic mass. In a cluster of galaxies, If you want to worry about some thing try working out where it might be safe to live.

Away from immanent volcanic eruption.

Away from active tectonic plat movement.

Away from the open sea where a tsunami might get me.

On stable flat land.

Not near to a flood prone river.

Not in a war zone.

Away from extremest groups activates.

In a temperate weather zone.

On a planet that is not under imminent danger from a novering star.

Protected from the possibility of impacting space debris.

Or just living with a nagging wife.

THIS thing called life is fraught with risk.

Only worry about what you can fix. . . Sigh, :)

[publius]

I just need to quit reading stuff on GLP. It makes Richard C. Hoagland's theories look sound by comparison.

But if I've got it right, March 9th - 10th is D-day. That's when the "tsunami" hits and we all die. Well, mark your calendar............


-Richard

[astromark]

Oh dear me...:) Doomed.

Well the fact is that yes we are all going to die. What is it that you see as a direct threat to humanities existence here on planet Earth and, when is this most likely to Begin happening? Hay the 10th of March is just a couple of weeks away.
We obviously differ on the risk to humanity that the galactic plain might have to life on Earth. Or you are just pocking a stick at it. . . .:).
I see that a group of astro-buffs have worked out that Hypotheses is going to get mighty close in the year 2036. Mighty close could just as easily be a miss.
Is this the extinction event you are talking of. No probably not. The fact that a ever larger group of astronomers are constantly scanning the near to earth objects looking for the sort of thing you seem to be so worried about. With ever improving equipment we are looking for that rouge object.
I will at this point voice a concern, When a object is drawn close to the sun as comets are. Would it not be normal enough for their track to be Alard by the slingshot of solar gravity. Could this change be calculated to give us the best chance of deflection before that occurs, If it were shown to be a possible risk object. Do we stay lucky.
Just by miss quoting what you did not hear can a panic button be pressed. Like. . . These larger than 40km objects are rare and few are actually Earth crossing object. One in a million year event is of some concern when its been five million since the last one.. but.
None of this is revalent as none of this is even any where likely to happen. ever. or tomorrow.

[publius]

Oh dear me...:) Doomed.

Well the fact is that yes we are all going to die. What is it that you see as a direct threat to humanities existence here on planet Earth and, when is this most likely to Begin happening? Hay the 10th of March is just a couple of weeks away.
We obviously differ on the risk to humanity that the galactic plain might have to life on Earth. Or you are just pocking a stick at it. . . .:).


Mark,

Is this addressed to me? I do not believe in this in any way, shape, form, or fashion -- the thought that someone would think I did just sort of mortifies me, like having to answer "Are you now, or ever have been, ......" That last post of mine was sarcasm, from my last forray into that fever swamp of a board, where I learned that March the 9th is Doomsday according to their "sources".

-Richard

[Whirlpool]

Tsunami from outer space: Please prepare yourselves for unimaginable destruction in the weeks ahead
Quote

I work as a research assistant at the European Space Agency in Darmstadt, Germany. I'm breaking all the rules in warning you, but it has to be said.

People everywhere are going to be in great danger soon. We have a sort of "Tsunami" approaching us, and the impact on the climate and infrastructure is inestimable.

Please see to it that you make the same sort of preparations you would in anticipation of a nuclear war. There are many survivalist websites that can advise you in this respect. You should be fully prepared by the end of the first week in March at the latest.

I wish you all the best of luck.


Is there a water in space? :think:
I dont think so..
:think: :doh:

[Neverfly]

Is there a water in space? :think:
I dont think so..
:think: :doh:

GRAVITY tsunami. The "reporters" of this supposed event used the word tsunami for its thrill value more than any scientific knowledge

[astromark]

No, not directed at you. I could fathom your sarcasm, and responded in like. I to am sickened by this constant reference to the next dooms day event.
However, let it be noted that although I find this constant reference to our undoing bothersome it must be added that incoming space debris could be our undoing. We may not get as much time to deflect that incoming object as we would like. As for the tsunami from space. I suspect you are well aware that this reference is used only to describe the manner of which a debris field might impact Earth. Like a tsunami.
The problem with this subject is that it is driven by emotive fear not facts.
This Earth and this solar system could and will pass through that non event and unless you were not told you would never know. Its probably better that way.

[trinitree88]

What I want to know is, "Will the Sierra Club seek a court injunction to prevent people from surfing on the coming galactic Tsunami?.....they sought one out in the late sixties to prevent college students from gathering on the San Andreas fault, partying and then trying to "set it off,..slipping California into the sea.."by jumping up and down on opposite sides by the millions, while howling at the moon.......Woo Hoo". Pete :shifty:

[snarkophilus]

Is there a water in space? :think:
I dont think so..
:think: :doh:


Actually, there's a lot of water out there. I think mostly frozen, probably a lot attached to dust grains, but a bunch in gas form too. For instance, http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlkop/wateriso.html

[astromark]

Pedantic and silly; Oh yes we can be and are. The very suggestion of a tsunami and you think of water. Not so in this case. Just as a landslide is not liquid. A lahar is not water. It is just the manner of delivery. Tsunami like would be a better description.
The structure of this Milky Way Galaxy is well understood. This solar system of ours lies near to but not in one of the spiral arms. This is indeed a good thing as this vantage point lets us see the structures around us. That spiral arm consists of a shock wave of material that is caught up in the gravity wave that is that spiral arm. Some of the stars there would be to close, to hot, and, just plainly to busy for life as we know it to have evolved as it has here. As the thread has talked of the progression of this solar system up through the plain of the Galaxy it sounds perfectly reasonable to sagest that other objects may drift a little closer to this system. Only if any of this is actually happening. Do we know this? or is this just another case of 'Going of half cocked' without the real evidence to support this grand idea of doomsday events.

[closetgeek]

I remember that. I don't remember what I was looking for when I stumbled upon it but the article header read something about Stephen Hawking warning us that nothing will survive in it's wake. I found another site that explained where the hoax came from.

This isn't a rehash of this is it ? (http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/news/killercloud.html)

[astromark]

yes it might be. . . and, it will be back. Again and again.

If you ( not you personally ) Continue to make dire predictions of Earths unfortunate end. There is a remote chance that you will get it right, just once. :) but then once would be all it needs.

[dmill120]

The way I see it, this whole galactic tsunami theory, and I emphasize THEORY,
Is purely Hypothetical in general and, more sensationalism than anything else.
Why do I say this?

The Earth has oscillated thru our Galactic plane since life first took hold on our planet, the Paleo record also speaks for itself, If this supposedly Doomsday Tsunami is a fact, then we would see a lot of evidence in the Paleological record or, Geological record from all the past times we entered the galactic plane.

So in other words we should see mass extinction events or major Geologic changes that are timed with every cycle of galactic oscillation

while the theory of gravitational perturbations to our Oort Cloud or the K
Belt, while we enter the galactic plane, in my mind does seem to hold merit, the mass extinction events that this Theory implies has not been proven by a direct connection with the Paleo or, Geological record.

Dennis

[Gillianren]

The way I see it, this whole galactic tsunami theory, and I emphasize THEORY,
Is purely Hypothetical in general and, more sensationalism than anything else.

Which means, scientifically speaking, it isn't a theory at all.

[Jeff Root]

Dennis,

I agree with Gillian: This "galactic tsunami" idea isn't a theory, it is
just an idea. It could be developed into a science fiction story, but
it couldn't be developed into a theory.

-- Jeff, in Minneapolis

[dmill120]

Dennis,

I agree with Gillian: This "galactic tsunami" idea isn't a theory, it is
just an idea. It could be developed into a science fiction story, but
it couldn't be developed into a theory.

-- Jeff, in Minneapolis

Hi Jeff,
I only mentioned that it may be a theory based on a Nemesis article on Wiki here,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nemesis_%28star%29
But I am in complete agreement with you and Gillian,
It would make for a great sci-fi movie.

Dennis

[2001Intrepid]

A galactic tsunami sounds an awful lot like the "theories" of Dr. Paul LaViolette concerning his ideas of "Galactic Superwaves" that periodically wipe out life on earth. I posted this a couple of years ago On BABB but it was largely ignored: http://www.etheric.com/GalacticCenter/Galactic.html
A woo-woo theory at least worth looking into??? I don't even know enough about astrophysics to debunk it, but I do know he seems to weave science and speculation.

[publius]

Well, IIRC, March 9th or 10th was supposed to be the day the "tsunami" hit and we all died..................................... Are we there yet? :D

[rdaneel]

From this website, it appears that the Earth has not yet been destroyed:

http://qntm.org/board



I suppose we'll have to keep checking to make sure our "Earth Destruction Status" doesn't shift from green to red.

[01101001]

Well, IIRC, March 9th or 10th was supposed to be the day the "tsunami" hit and we all died..................................... Are we there yet? :D

I've got a hangnail that's bothering me. It wasn't there a few days ago. I can't prove it wasn't caused by a galactic tsunami.

[publius]

I've got a hangnail that's bothering me. It wasn't there a few days ago. I can't prove it wasn't caused by a galactic tsunami.

Checking the original GLP thread (well, it's gone on for nearly 200 pages, so just checking the last), D-day has been bumped up to the 16th. So we're all gonna die come Friday, now.


-Richard

[north]

Checking the original GLP thread (well, it's gone on for nearly 200 pages, so just checking the last), D-day has been bumped up to the 16th. So we're all gonna die come Friday, now.


-Richard

dam , I had plans. dam inconvenient , this D-day!!

oh-well next week.