911 Truth Seekers - 911 debunkers 101:0

[carter.guru]

Sticks
Senior Member
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Is this thread still going

I have finished reviewing up to page 8 when I left

Would it not be an idea to lock this thread, like all the other 9/11 threads

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Tinaa
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Carter.Guru, Truth Seeker:

It is blantently obvious that the duty of this forum is to deny any possibility of any complicity in any facet of the events of 9/11 ... though they will go on and on about "science" and totally disregard plain logic ...

:boohoo:

Truth Seekers - 911 debunkers: 1:0

[carter.guru]

Sticks
Senior Member
Would it not be an idea to lock this thread, like all the other 9/11 threads



Here, all rights messed up:

http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=36547&page=30

[Matherly]

So, the person who originally started the converation wanted to end it after it when radically off topic.

Please forgive my ignorance, but in light of the fact that no one's posting rights were revoked and that the thread in its entirity is available for review, exactly what was the issue here?

[Grand_Lunar]

Yes, what is the conspiracy theory being presented here?
That Sticks wanted his thread closed after it broke it's moorings?

[Neverfly]

I've read this thread FOUR times and i STILL dont get it....
Lets see...
Sticks started a thread
Sticks asked it be closed- locked...
Moderator obliged
Thread REMAINS and is FULLY viewable for Reading....

whats the 1:0 Score card for?

How does locking the thread at the OP's request- Yet it Remains for FULL READING - deny the truth and cover up anything?

See this is the mentality of those that claim conspiracies- they invent one every chance they get....
Even when it makes NO Sense at all

Its blatantly clear to me too that CT's Truth seekers, (Which that name appals me- I AM A TRUTH SEEKER TOO! and the TRUTH is 911 was NOT an inside job..If in seeking honesty within myself and others- Seeking truth in the world makes me a truth seeker-im glad! YOU are NOT a truth seeker- you are a sensationalism seeker. Occams Razor) HB's all are defined by an inability to read an answer- objectivily analyze evidence or respond openly- because they are swayed by personal bias and a desire to Fit the Facts to their predetermined theory.

[Faultline]

If you have evidence that 9-11 was a US government conspiracy, present it.

Hint: Logic alone is not evidence. Although logic can use evidence, I could logically argue that all yellow-breasted flooglehazits are bipolar, but it is meaningless without evidence that they even exist.

[TheOncomingStorm]

CTers just might like fighting or think people will just give in.

[Neverfly]

there is no evidence

[TheOncomingStorm]

there is no evidence
so, when did that stop them.

[TheOncomingStorm]

look at spock no matter how much you throw at him he just keeps going.

[Van Rijn]

It is blantently obvious that the duty of this forum is to deny any possibility of any complicity in any facet of the events of 9/11 ... though they will go on and on about "science" and totally disregard plain logic ...


Actually, that seems rather odd, since CTs fail when they are not supported by the evidence and logic, and I've often found CTers having great difficulty with the application of logic.

If you have an argument, present it. Just don't be surprised when it turns out it has already been presented here and shown to be incorrect a dozen times already.

[Laguna]

carter I have a quest for you.
Present us your theory about what hapennd on 9/11.
This includes at least:
- What flew into the towers.
- Why did they fall
- In case of controlled demolition: please show how the buildings where prepped, how it was possible to do that within the time limits, why nobody saw the prepped walls, how the dynamite and the wires survived the planes impacts and why no traces of dynamite were found afterwards.
- Please explain why such a destruction would work without the slightest problems even though there has never been any building brought down that was even nearly as large as the towers, everything was done in a rush and therefore had to been done very sloppy, and even though everything went perfect.
- What flew into Pentagon
- Does that match with the eyewitnesses observations?
- What was the purpose of the attack
- Who is involved into the conspiracy

This just to start with.
No links to CT sites accepted.

Please explain in detail and with your own words.

[jrkeller]

Laguna2,

Good Luck on getting those answers. You'll grow very old before that happens.

[Laguna]

Laguna2,

Good Luck on getting those answers. You'll grow very old before that happens.
I know...

[Jim]

Laguna2,

Good Luck on getting those answers. You'll grow very old before that happens.

We all need a goal in life.

[Laguna]

We all need a goal in life.
But you should choose better one that you have a realistic chance to reach.
I think I would rather win the lottery than get an pleasing answer from carter.guru.

[carter.guru]

I think I would rather win the lottery than get an pleasing answer from carter.guru.

You are right now, you will NOT get an pleasing answer from me.

You will (for you horror) for me - truth, cruel truth.

Before I proceede, I want to know who am I dealing with - how come german can speak, write english language so fluently, in fact - american english?!

Are you an american working in hte U.S. millitary base there?

[AstroSmurf]

Yes, because everyone knows that those darn foreigners can't spell properly...

[korjik]

You are right now, you will NOT get an pleasing answer from me.

You will (for you horror) for me - truth, cruel truth.

Before I proceede, I want to know who am I dealing with - how come german can speak, write english language so fluently, in fact - american english?!

Are you an american working in hte U.S. millitary base there?

I dont indend to speak for Laguna2, but for me, a pleasing answer would be one that has a good application of logic, with the obvious holes filled with rational thought, instead of accusations and emotions.

[Serenitude]

You are right now, you will NOT get an pleasing answer from me.

You will (for you horror) for me - truth, cruel truth.

Before I proceede, I want to know who am I dealing with - how come german can speak, write english language so fluently, in fact - american english?!

Are you an american working in hte U.S. millitary base there?

Yes. Every single person on this board is a paid disinfo agent employed by the American military/industrial complex and dedicated to suppression of the truth.

Now, please continue.

[Dave J]

You are right now, you will NOT get an pleasing answer from me.

You will (for you horror) for me - truth, cruel truth.

Before I proceede, I want to know who am I dealing with - how come german can speak, write english language so fluently, in fact - american english?!

Are you an american working in hte U.S. millitary base there?

Uh, we're waiting for your "cruel truth", hopefully with some good backing evidence. BTW, I spent years in the US military, does this make me somehow less credible in discussing 9/11? Maybe I'm a sock puppet for Cheney or Rice!!
Beware, we watch you! Really, this is a silly distraction, let's hear your theory.

[Sigma_Orionis]

You are right now, you will NOT get an pleasing answer from me.

You will (for you horror) for me - truth, cruel truth.

Before I proceede, I want to know who am I dealing with - how come german can speak, write english language so fluently, in fact - american english?!

Are you an american working in hte U.S. millitary base there?

After a comment like that, I must ask you to please explain how I, who was born, educated, and currently living in a country that is NOT the US, can write US English rather reasonably? (and just for the record, there are NO US military bases in Venezuela)

[Laguna]

You are right now, you will NOT get an pleasing answer from me.

You will (for you horror) for me - truth, cruel truth.

Before I proceede, I want to know who am I dealing with - how come german can speak, write english language so fluently, in fact - american english?!

Are you an american working in hte U.S. millitary base there?
I am a 31 year old German and learned english for nine years in school. Afterwards 4 additional years at university.
My wife studied anglistics.
I attend this board now for several years. So I have quite some practice.
Besides that I have friends in the US that do not speak my language so I have to use theirs.
That is why I speak englich quite fluently.

Besides, usually I put quite some time in every post. I read it multiple times and often change things to fit better.
Oh, and because I use this for things that are difficult to phrase:
http://dict.leo.org. ;)

[Laguna]

I dont indend to speak for Laguna2, but for me, a pleasing answer would be one that has a good application of logic, with the obvious holes filled with rational thought, instead of accusations and emotions.
That would be my understanding too.

[Swift]

You are right now, you will NOT get an pleasing answer from me.

You will (for you horror) for me - truth, cruel truth.

Before I proceede, I want to know who am I dealing with - how come german can speak, write english language so fluently, in fact - american english?!

Are you an american working in hte U.S. millitary base there?
Carter.guru,

A friendly word of advice. You might want to cool the attitude and stop worrying about other's use of English or what country they are from, at least until you run a spell checker on your own posts. This is an international board and generally a friendly group, if you met us half-way.

Now, if you have something to say, and some evidence to support it, why don't you present it already.

[Fazor]

Yes. Every single person on this board is a paid disinfo agent employed by the American military/industrial complex and dedicated to suppression of the truth.
Now, please continue.

Yes, but apparently there's a conspiracy surrounding my status on the payroll, as I have yet to recieve a check, a black tinted up SUV, or cool sunglasses :( That's what happens when Payroll is run by the time-traveling atlantians who crashed in Roswell.

As for any kind of 9/11 conspiracy...out of the litterally hundreds of posts on here alone, I have yet to see a single decent explination for a motive of the "sneaky US government" for blowing up thier own buildings. Was it so they can go to war with Iraq? Then why would we claim the Afgani's did it? Couldn't they have avoided the whole war critisism of "fighting the wrong country" if they blamed it on Sadam? Or said that he was the one who directly funded the attack?

Did we intentionally pin it on Osama, so that we can look stupid by not being able to kill him? Or did George Bush just think the twin towers represented two phalic symbols and was upset at the underling homosexual symbology? Maybe the FBI wanted to brag about how they were not able to stop a large-scale attack? The airlines wanted some new planes but they wanted to get the insurance company to pay for them, so they had to come up with a creative way to destroy a few? I can keep going if you like...

[Tog]

You are right now, you will NOT get an pleasing answer from me.

You will (for you horror) for me - truth, cruel truth.

Before I proceede, I want to know who am I dealing with - how come german can speak, write english language so fluently, in fact - american english?!

Are you an american working in hte U.S. millitary base there?

An alternative you did not seem to consider would be that Laguna2 could have been an airline pilot, all of whom are required to speak English as it the worldwide standard at airports.

In my opinion, this is why the Truther(tm) movement has such a hard time with actually finding the truth. Rather than take five minutes and look for a plausible answer to any given question, they run with the first thought that comes along.

[Grand_Lunar]

You are right now, you will NOT get an pleasing answer from me.

You will (for you horror) for me - truth, cruel truth.

Before I proceede, I want to know who am I dealing with - how come german can speak, write english language so fluently, in fact - american english?!

Are you an american working in hte U.S. millitary base there?

Your second sentence makes no sense. I suppose you skipped a word or two.

Seems you'll only show your version of the truth, not the real truth that is supported by emperical evidence.

[Matherly]

AHA! That's the secret behind 9/11! Its all those damned dirty forigners who wanted an excuse to speak English!

:rolleyes:

Oh, for Pete's sake. It the most friggin' common lanuage in the friggin' world! Quit being such a friggin' bigot!

[Neverfly]

LOL Laguna.. You said you speak Englich :p

OK so if we are all paid disinfo agents
WHERES MY &*#@%$*@^!!! CHECK!!!?!?!?!?!

[Doodler]

there is no evidence

Then the conspiracy is working perfectly. /tinfoil

[Neverfly]

Then the conspiracy is working perfectly. /tinfoil

EXACTLY.....
so where is it?
I've checked the mail..
checked my account...
Im getting upset here...

[Swift]

EXACTLY.....
so where is it?
I've checked the mail..
checked my account...
Im getting upset here...
Ixnay on the heckay. If you keep on like this not only won't you get your check, Department 7 will be paying you a call. :naughty: :shhh:

[jaydeehess]

I'm a Canadian and in 1975 I took a trip to Sweden, Denmark and Norway.
We met one fellow in a bar who we conversed with fo rseberal hours. He asked how his English was. We told him it was great, we had no problem with it. He said that his english teacher told him that he was terrible, that no English speaker would ever understand him.

I had no trouble finding people who spoke English in all three countires. Some of their language was distinctly British as in the use of the word 'lorry' where we would say 'truck' but the difference between Swedish and Danish is much greater than the difference between British English and American English.

[jaydeehess]

Ixnay on the heckay. If you keep on like this not only won't you get your check, Department 7 will be paying you a call. :naughty: :shhh:

No chizzle fo ma shizzle either,, sheeee.

[TheOncomingStorm]

Ixnay on the heckay. If you keep on like this not only won't you get your check, Department 7 will be paying you a call. :naughty: :shhh:
they always have an eye on neverfly.

[Doodler]

Oh, for Pete's sake. It the most friggin' common lanuage in the friggin' world! Quit being such a friggin' bigot!

Eh, no, its not. I think Chinese is #1, with a Hindi dialect securely in numba 2. I forget the other, probably Arabic, but memory wants to stick Engrish in the #4 slot.

[Matherly]

Eh, no, its not. I think Chinese is #1, with a Hindi dialect securely in numba 2. I forget the other, probably Arabic, but memory wants to stick Engrish in the #4 slot.

If you are talking about first languages, you are correct.

However, if you are talking about total speakers, then English is #1. Yes, there are a whole bunch of native Chinese Speakers and Hindi speakers, but many many many of them have a conversational grasp of English as well.

[Gillianren]

English is generally considered the most common second language in the world. The problem with that is that most native speakers therefore never bother to acquire a second language of their own.

I used to be fairly fluent in Spanish. I've never so much as been to Mexico. Speaking a language--and it's true, Laguna, your English is quite good--doesn't mean you're from a country that speaks it.

But you see, that's the way the presentation of conspiracy theories works. Rather than present a coherent story with underlying evidence, the thing to do is to attack those who present one.

[TheOncomingStorm]

just an aside in quebec, when immigrants arrive they have to enroll their children in a french only education and many already speak some english and their own native tongue so by the end of the education they end know at least three languages,

[Neverfly]

Ixnay on the heckay. If you keep on like this not only won't you get your check, Department 7 will be paying you a call. :naughty: :shhh:

Whats the number? Ill call 'em First!:mad:
Forty acres and a Mule all over again!

[TheOncomingStorm]

a Mule all over again!
whatever you do with the mule is your own business.

[Neverfly]

admit it...
You would like to know...:whistle:

[TheOncomingStorm]

i thought it was some kind of military initiation.

[Faultline]

What the heck is he talking about? Half of Americans butcher the Englich language every day!

In fact, you should hear me speak some time. It's nothing like I type. I'm from Arkansas and live in Alabama.

Now its time to fix me some dinner, y'all.:lol:

[Grand_Lunar]

What the heck are we talking about now?

[Faultline]

I dunno.

[Neverfly]

LOL Military initiation.. :think: i may need to consider that....

You know.. a lot of foreigners i talk with regularly speak better english than US citizens do

We iz iggorant

[Jim]

... (and just for the record, there are NO US military bases in Venezuela)

Well, none that we're willing to tell you about, anyway.

[TheOncomingStorm]

Well most foreigners learn english in a more formal setting then us north americans.

[Neverfly]

Well most foreigners learn english in a more formal setting then us north americans.

i thought YOU were a foreigner with the english you use :neutral:

[TheOncomingStorm]

i thought YOU were a foreigner with the english you use :neutral:
Sorry sometimes I have to type in a hurry and don't catch my mistakes.

[cjl]

I have to say, it is pretty sad how a lot of Americans write and type right now - it's true that a lot of foreigners do better than the native speakers do.

[Eta C]

And with this last page, this thread has finally generated the responses deserved by the OP. Ridicule and Derision. I know we try to keep a civil tongue here, but lets face it. Some ideas are so wrong (not even wrong) that all they deserve in response is laughter. This thread is one one of them.

PS. I'm originally from southern California, but grew up near Chicago. That's left my accent with a strange mix of "dude!" and "Da Bears!"

[Swift]

PS. I'm originally from southern California, but grew up near Chicago. That's left my accent with a strange mix of "dude!" and "Da Bears!"
Yes, but you got to love those polish sausage sandwiches with tofu. :D

[Neverfly]

Sorry sometimes I have to type in a hurry and don't catch my mistakes.

i was kiddin :p


And ETA C you are Completely right..
Because when i FIRST read that post- asking Laguna about his English
i got Angry First..
its much better to step back and laugh at the ridiculous than get mad about it...

[Doodler]

but many many many of them have a conversational grasp of English as well.

Heh, don't lie....most of them have a BETTER grasp of proper English than us native speakers that litter it liberally in jargon, idioms, and slang.;)

[TheOncomingStorm]

i was kiddin :p



just having a bad night.

[TheOncomingStorm]

the thing about this thread it was not clear what the point of it was so it kind went all over the place.

[Laguna]

LOL Laguna.. You said you speak Englich :p

OK so if we are all paid disinfo agents
WHERES MY &*#@%$*@^!!! CHECK!!!?!?!?!?!
§$%&/ That will get me another cut on my paycheck.

[Sticks]

"The English and the Americans are two people devided by a common language" - Sir Winston Churchill

Am I being criticised here for wanting a pointless thread closed long after it's "sell by date" :neutral:

[Laguna]

Am I being criticised here for wanting a pointless thread closed long after it's "sell by date" :neutral:
No, not from this side of the atlantic.

[Van Rijn]

Am I being criticised here for wanting a pointless thread closed long after it's "sell by date" :neutral:

Not from this side of the Atlantic, either. I doubt the opening poster read the thread far enough to understand that was why it was being closed.

[Sigma_Orionis]

Well, none that we're willing to tell you about, anyway.

Heh, you mean the Secret Military Research/Alien Craft Containment facility near the border with Guyana, the one designated Area 51 1/2? The one that was used to create the Mutant Ninja Turtles? That is handled by a Six-Star General with WAAAAAAAAY-Above-Top-Secret Clearance? :D

[Jim]

Heh, you mean ...

Uhhhh... No comment. :shifty:

(Sticks, I thought that was GBS. Besides, Churchill was a Yank who just had a British father.)

[Doodler]

I have to say, it is pretty sad how a lot of Americans write and type right now - it's true that a lot of foreigners do better than the native speakers do.

While US English has its issues, lemme assure you that we're not alone in the brutal abuse of its grammatical structure. After all, the first text-speak paper was handed in to a teacher in the UK. ;)

[Sigma_Orionis]

Well if it's any consolation spaniards constantly complain about how we Hispano-Americans have mangled the language as well :D

[Nicolas]

and the OP is gone?

[captain swoop]

Typical of you Debunkers, Asking for the thread to be closed as usual! Censorship I say!

[Swift]

and the OP is gone?
I suspect he is waiting for a mod to say this thread has lost its way and close it. Then he can scream that we are censoring his ideas and we can go around again.

[Doodler]

Typical of you Debunkers, Asking for the thread to be closed as usual! Censorship I say!

Well, after Elvis leaves the building, its usually time to go home, rather than sitting in front of the stage screaming.

[Tinaa]

I heard y'all screaming all the way down here in Texas! I'm fixing to go fix some supper but I'll close this here thread first.

OP if you have something new to add PM a Mod.