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ToSeek
2006-Nov-22, 06:12 PM
Top ten girl geeks (http://crave.cnet.co.uk/0,39029477,49285435,00.htm)

Can we dump Paris Hilton (please!) and add Sally Ride?

Fazor
2006-Nov-22, 06:21 PM
Hilton's not a geek, she's just an idiot. Big difference...in fact, I thought intelligence was required to qualify as a geek. Oh well, they just wanted to throw a name on there the "average" person would recognize so it would make for a better article.

Moose
2006-Nov-22, 06:25 PM
Paris Hilton??? Ew. Ew. Ew! No, she's nowhere near smart enough to be a geek.

If they have to add cheesecake to the list, they should add Stevie "Killcreek" Case, or (much) more to my preference, Kari Byron of Mythbusters.

MrClean
2006-Nov-22, 06:28 PM
Definitely replace her with Hedy Lamarr for her invention of a radio guiding system for torpedoes which was used in WWII and I believe phase shifting radar/communications which'll be coming to a cell phone near you.

ToSeek
2006-Nov-22, 06:33 PM
Definitely replace her with Hedy Lamarr for her invention of a radio guiding system for torpedoes which was used in WWII and I believe phase shifting radar?

Now there's (http://arxiv.org/abs/cond-mat/0603656) a good choice!

Donnie B.
2006-Nov-22, 06:35 PM
More nominations:

Rosalind Franklin - did the critical work in crystallography that allowed Watson and Crick to identify the structure of DNA.

Lise Meitner - her work with Uranium identified nuclear fission and suggested that a nuclear weapon was possible.


Both were fully geeky (for their time) and neither received appropriate recognition for her work. Some say Watson and Crick baldly ripped off Franklin's work, and Meitner lived in the shadow of her male colleagues.

Tog
2006-Nov-22, 06:35 PM
Paris Hilton??? Ew. Ew. Ew! No, she's nowhere near smart enough to be a geek.

If they have to add cheesecake to the list, they should add Stevie "Killcreek" Case, or (much) more to my preference, Kari Byron of Mythbusters.

Or the singer Poe (mixes her albums on a home computer rather than in a studio), or even Gwen Stefani from No Doubt (said repeatedly that there is no way a group of geeks like them should have made it in the music world). The fact that Paris Hilton plays video games and carries a Blackberry she can't secure doesn't make her a Geek. Actually securing it might. Also it says she's in one of the most downloaded videos in the Internet. Ummm yeah, that was a smart move on her part.:wall:

Jeff Root
2006-Nov-22, 06:40 PM
The thing raises three big questions: What is a "geek"?
What qualities does a person need to be among the "top"?
From what pool of candidates did the writer draw his selections?

-- Jeff, in Minneapolis

banquo's_bumble_puppy
2006-Nov-22, 06:49 PM
I vote for the Hot Dog Girl from the Pepsi commercial a few years back....I wonder if she's single?

Francesca Tosti is her name in case anyone's wondering.

Gillianren
2006-Nov-22, 07:08 PM
Rosalind Franklin - did the critical work in crystallography that allowed Watson and Crick to identify the structure of DNA.

Which is why she's on their list.

Can I point out that they mean that Grace Hopper's influence cannot be overestimated? It's Paris Hilton's that cannot be underestimated.

Nicolas
2006-Nov-22, 07:08 PM
If you want music in, Paris Hilton has no place anyway, so please replace with Delia Derbyshire!!!

She pioneered soundcrafting and electronic music in the pre-synthesizer days at the BBC Radiophonic Workshop. She recorded Ron Grainer's composition of the Dr Who theme on an extremely manual way, and gave her own twist to the composition. So much that Grainer wanted to add her as co-composer. The incredible bassline is composed by Grainer though. I still think it's one of the best pieces of electronic music, especially the sounds.

zenbudda
2006-Nov-22, 07:13 PM
yeah, wtf is paris doing on that list? playing video games makes you a geek? nice list of people on here. i just recently met a biochemist at a bar and was immediately enthralled. never heard back from her (i'm not all that "smart" myself)

Trebuchet
2006-Nov-22, 07:40 PM
Paris fits better with the original sideshow definition of "geek".

crosscountry
2006-Nov-22, 08:10 PM
The thing raises three big questions: What is a "geek"?
What qualities does a person need to be among the "top"?
From what pool of candidates did the writer draw his selections?

-- Jeff, in Minneapolis


I geek is a nerd that gave up trying. Nerd want to be cool and do their best. Geeks just don't care.

Nicolas
2006-Nov-22, 08:15 PM
yeah, wtf is paris doing on that list? playing video games makes you a geek? nice list of people on here. i just recently met a biochemist at a bar and was immediately enthralled. never heard back from her (i'm not all that "smart" myself)

The absolute dumbest sounding woman I met on the bus turned out to be the only woman on the bus being a scientist :). I don't think that happens too often.

Larry Jacks
2006-Nov-22, 08:23 PM
Any list limited to 10 people is bound to be little more than worthless. There are a lot of women who deserve to be recognized. The earlier suggestion of Hedy Lamar was a good one. She is credited with being the co-inventor of spread-spectrum communications with her wire guided torpedo idea. Then there's the ENIAC programmers (http://www.witi.com/center/witimuseum/halloffame/1997/eniac.php). Those women were hard-core programmers of the first order. Grace Hopper was an excellent inclusion on the list, as was Lady Ada Lovelace. Some of the others, I'm not so sure about. Lisa Simpson and Paris Hilton? Come on, let's stick to real people.

Maksutov
2006-Nov-22, 09:21 PM
Top ten girl geeks (http://crave.cnet.co.uk/0,39029477,49285435,00.htm)

Can we dump Paris Hilton (please!) and add Sally Ride?We can't dump the Paris Hilton. Otherwise where would I stay when visiting the City of Light?

Maksutov
2006-Nov-22, 09:27 PM
Definitely replace her with Hedy Lamarr for her invention of a radio guiding system for torpedoes which was used in WWII and I believe phase shifting radar/communications which'll be coming to a cell phone near you.That's "Hedley"!


(http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0466327/)Hedley Lamarr (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0466327/): Repeat after me: I...
Men: I...
Hedley Lamarr (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0466327/): ...your name...
Men: ...your name...
Hedley Lamarr (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0466327/): [to himself] *******.
[aloud]
Hedley Lamarr (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0466327/): ... do pledge allegiance...
Men: ...do pledge allegiance...
Hedley Lamarr (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0466327/): ...to Hedley Lamarr...
Men: ...to Hedy Lamarr...
Hedley Lamarr (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0466327/): That's *Hedley*.
Men: That's Hedley.

Dragon Star
2006-Nov-22, 09:33 PM
Kari Byron of Mythbusters.

We have a winnar! :)

jfribrg
2006-Nov-22, 09:40 PM
I'd like to replace Paris Hilton with Sophie Germain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophie_Germain).
If there was room, I'd give an honarary mention to my graduate research advisor.

Maksutov
2006-Nov-22, 09:49 PM
I'd like to replace Paris Hilton with Sophie Germain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophie_Germain).
If there was room, I'd give an honarary mention to my graduate research advisor.Going for that summa cum laude, eh? http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/566/iconwink6tn.gif

Dr Nigel
2006-Nov-22, 10:05 PM
Hey, what about Carol Vorderman? She's a bit of a maths whiz (particularly in terms of mental arithmetic). Famous in the UK for doing fiddly number puzzles in her head in less than 30 seconds.

She has a Wiki entry:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carol_Vorderman

sarongsong
2006-Nov-22, 10:36 PM
The thing raises three big questions: What is a "geek"?...Your mileage may vary...
geek
One entry found for geek.
Main Entry: geek
Pronunciation: 'gEk
Function: noun
Etymology: probably from English dialect geek, geck fool, from Low German geck, from Middle Low German
1 : a carnival performer often billed as a wild man whose act usually includes biting the head off a live chicken or snake
2 : a person often of an intellectual bent who is disliked
3 : an enthusiast or expert especially in a technological field or activity <computer geek>... Merriam-Webster (http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/geek)

lti
2006-Nov-22, 11:51 PM
I'll third Kari from Mythbusters

PhantomWolf
2006-Nov-23, 12:16 AM
I'll third Kari from Mythbusters

Unfortunately she's a) got as boyfriend and b) is a vegetarian. Off TV, I'd go for Pauley Perrette (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0005306/) (Abby off NCIS.) She has a real life Crimonology Masters, so she can really do what she plays on TV, how geeky is that??? lol. Apparently though, real labs are rather jealous of the equipment that they guys on NCIS and CSI get to play with and would actually love the budgets to have that sort of stuff themselves. eta (and if being in Blade Runner counts for Darryl Hannah and playing Video Games counts for PH, well Pauley was in Blade Runner the Video Game, as Lucy Devlin)

Dragon Star
2006-Nov-23, 12:27 AM
Unfortunately she's a) got as boyfriend and b) is a vegetarian.

...and?:D

Moose
2006-Nov-23, 01:53 AM
I agree with Dragon Star.

PhantomWolf, I ain't fixin' to marry the girl*, just sayin' she should be on dat dere list**.

(* Although if she's offering... I'd even toss the salad***.)
(** Just seeing if Gillian's awake today. ;) )
(*** In the food sense. Geez guys, this is a family board.)

Maksutov
2006-Nov-23, 02:00 AM
I agree with Dragon Star.

PhantomWolf, I ain't fixin' to marry the girl*, just sayin' she should be on dat dere list**.

(* Although if she's offering... I'd even toss the salad***.)
(** Just seeing if Gillian's awake today. ;) )
(*** In the food sense. Geez guys, this is a family board.)Wow, what a collection of risky stars!

TheOncomingStorm
2006-Nov-23, 02:17 AM
If we can go to movie stars how about jodie foster, or her character in contact, anything but Paris Hilton. ok I will give a vote kari from myth busters as well.

lti
2006-Nov-23, 02:25 AM
vegetarianism. not cool.

TheOncomingStorm
2006-Nov-23, 03:05 AM
I agree with Dragon Star.


(* Although if she's offering... I'd even toss the salad***.)
(*** In the food sense. Geez guys, this is a family board.)
I would grow the vegetables if she's offering :)

HenrikOlsen
2006-Nov-23, 08:29 AM
I'd say Paris Hilton does belong on the list, though in the
1 : a carnival performer often billed as a wild man whose act usually includes biting the head off a live chicken or snake sense of the word.

Dragon Star
2006-Nov-23, 08:18 PM
I agree with Dragon Star.
(*...I'd even toss the salad***.)

admin - rude joke removed

Bob
2006-Nov-23, 09:25 PM
admin - comment on rude joke removed

Dragon Star
2006-Nov-23, 09:27 PM
admin - defense of rude joke removed and warning given

Lord Jubjub
2006-Nov-23, 09:50 PM
Ya know, I've seen that list discussed in two other forums. Everytime, they bash the Paris entry and usually the Lisa Simpson entry. Only after exhaustion do they start going after the Daryl Hannah entry (though she's been mentioned already on this thread). I'd say that they've got to rethink at least three entries on that list. Personally, the details of the discussions attached to the names makes me wonder how much research this person did.

The woman cosmonaut was, unfortunately, a publicity stunt by the USSR. She was pretty much reassigned to a dead end if my memory serves right.

Hopper didn't invent COBOL, that was a committee effort. But her concept of translating linguistic prose to computer commands was her idea.

Mary Shelley. . .I'll give you that. But I will protest the notion that her ideas are in any way mirrored by modern technology.

Roy Batty
2006-Nov-24, 11:36 AM
Bringing in the astronomy, I'd nominate Jocelyn (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jocelyn_Bell_Burnell) Bell (http://www.csupomona.edu/~nova/scientists/articles/burn.html) for her discovery of 'scruffy pulsating little green men' :)

closetgeek
2006-Nov-24, 04:00 PM
Okay both Hilton and Hanna should both fall better into the catagory of "I am not a real geek, I just play one on tv." I will give a little leeway to Hanna, other than the infamous butterfly wings, since she rarely does anything to hurt her possible geek status. I didn't realize that having cellphones and portabling gaming machines now qualify a girl as a geek. If this is true, then that article really is correct in stating that geeks are in danger. In truth, I confess that I am not "actually" a closet geek as I possess a lukewarm IQ, but the interest in pursuing knowledge is ever present and the nickname was given to me by my husband. To be a real geek, however, I was under the impression that at least, one would have to posess an IQ higher than that of a carrot.

Bob
2006-Nov-24, 05:42 PM
Does that offend you in some way?


Yep. If you think your post was a clever little double entendre, it wasn't. I'm surprised a moderator didn't call you on it.

Dragon Star
2006-Nov-24, 06:00 PM
Yep. If you think your post was a clever little double entendre, it wasn't. I'm surprised a moderator didn't call you on it.

By all means, if you don't like it, report it.

Clever? Not at all. I'm not even capable of clever.

admin - for the record, Bob did not report this

R.A.F.
2006-Nov-24, 06:47 PM
I agree with Lord Jubjub...I don't think that Valentine Tereskova belongs on the list. During her flight, she was basically "spam in a can".

A quote from the link even agrees with me...


Tereshkova didn't begin her life as a geek, nor was she particular geeky when she flew into space.

...so she's on the list for what she did after her flight?

I just don't see how she is so "noteworthy" except for her flight.

What a wacky list...

R.A.F.
2006-Nov-24, 06:49 PM
...if you don't like it, report it.

I did...:)

antoniseb
2006-Nov-24, 06:57 PM
This thread has been trouble. It could have been a celebration of women in an arena previously (and perhaps unfairly) dominated by men, but it went the wrong way. I'm closing it now.