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grav
2006-Sep-26, 06:00 AM
I would like to propose a game about cause and effect. It is purely physics. I will pose the first question and answer it myself so you can all get a feel of it. I think it would be interesting to see how far the forum members can go with this.

It is simple. I will give the original effect, and say what I think is the cause. Then another forum member can post by saying what they think is the cause of that, and perhaps a short description of why they think so, or they can give a different cause for the original effect. Then that cause becomes the effect. Whatever the answer, the forum members must see if they can identify the cause. It doesn't have to be in any particular order. There can be many causes for the same effect. Each forum member can take any of the causes or effects given so far and write what they think is the cause of that, or answer differently to an effect that was already stated. It may form a linear cause and effect chain, or perhaps some sort of pyramid or hierarchy. If we're lucky, we may even find the cause of all effects in the universe. Wouldn't that be something? :dance:

Okay. So here's the first effect. Time. What causes time? Time is a measurement of distance travelled as compared to something else. It is a ratio of how much further something goes than something else, or rotates, or revolves, or changes. Or it could be over the time squared, which is acceleration. It has no real meaning otherwise. It is a concept. So where does this concept come from? What causes it to manifest? Motion. So time is the effect of motion. Without motion, there would be no time.

Now someone else can play off of motion as the effect and post what they believe is its cause, or if they disagree with the answer, they can post a different cause for time. Enjoy! :D

afterburner
2006-Sep-26, 06:06 PM
Nice one grav. You left off quite an effect for which to explain the cause (if that makes sense)

But I'm going to say that the cause of motion is the effect of consciousness. Since even if space and energy existed on its own...something would have to happen for it to start moving. Posessing consciousness, you posess the ability to reorganize and therefore create motion...so there. :D

Eric Vaxxine
2006-Sep-27, 10:16 PM
I'm not going to think, but simply play the game (if I understand it correctly...)
If Time is Motion
Motion needs

Energy

grav
2006-Sep-28, 02:52 AM
I'm not going to think, but simply play the game (if I understand it correctly...)
If Time is Motion
Motion needs

Energy
That is exactly what I had in mind as well. Okay, energy requires work.

Roy Batty
2006-Sep-28, 01:01 PM
That is exactly what I had in mind as well. Okay, energy requires work.
Well I'd say it was the other way round i.e. Work requires a transfer of energy. But playing along:
Work requires a Force :)

Eric Vaxxine
2006-Sep-28, 09:19 PM
Force makes me think of Inertia

Titana
2006-Sep-29, 02:31 AM
Inertia makes me think of Motion.........:D .....:think:

grav
2006-Sep-29, 03:07 AM
Inertia makes me think of Motion.........:D .....:think:
So have we come full circle already? Is that to say that the universe is just a bunch of things running around and bumping into each other? :eh: :)

hhEb09'1
2006-Sep-29, 03:15 AM
So have we come full circle already?Circles require space

Eric Vaxxine
2006-Sep-30, 12:12 AM
Orbits are circles in space

grav
2006-Oct-02, 02:38 PM
It looks like in order to keep this "game" from just falling off the page, I need to relax the rules a little bit (I can do that. I'm the game show host :) ). It looks like we need to allow general relationships and sub-categories (and anything else we can think of). Just go wild with it.

Okay, let's see if I can come up with a few examples. I would say that speed is a form of motion. Acceleration causes speed. Velocity is a part of speed. Velocity is a vector in one dimension of space. And so on.

grav
2006-Oct-02, 02:40 PM
Orbits are circles in space
Gravity causes (planetary) orbits.

Eric Vaxxine
2006-Oct-02, 08:23 PM
Orbits are revolutions

grav
2006-Oct-03, 11:53 PM
Revolutions are the rotations of a system.

grav
2006-Oct-03, 11:54 PM
One cause of gravity is mass.

Eric Vaxxine
2006-Oct-05, 05:43 PM
Mass is not necessarily proportional to the size of an object

Casus_belli
2006-Oct-05, 11:33 PM
I object to elephants

Eric Vaxxine
2006-Oct-07, 10:07 PM
Elephants, like most objects, have attractive gravity.

kenneth rodman
2006-Oct-13, 08:09 AM
Attractive Elephants get ridden alot..

Gruesome
2006-Oct-13, 04:36 PM
Riding elephants chafes the thighs...

grav
2006-Oct-13, 11:54 PM
Well, the last few posts are not exactly what I had in mind :eh: , but what the heck, have at it. :)

grav
2006-Oct-13, 11:58 PM
Elephants, like most objects, have attractive gravity.Good attempt at saving this thread. Thanks. :o

Arneb
2006-Oct-19, 09:04 PM
Well, another attempt...

Thighs contain muscles to counteract gravity.

Eric Vaxxine
2006-Oct-25, 09:18 PM
I pulled a muscle, recently.

Centrifugal force.