Stop this forum immediately

[Denis12]

Because many threads were stopped while ony (friendly) asking for a reply. This kind of policy that rules here has shocking me very much ,i am very dissapointed in the (whole) humankind at this Earthplanet. I (really hope that a comet hits the Earth very soon and that the mankind will become extinct because it becomes more and more a unpleasant world for me and many other people and animals. Stopping threads without any reason is really impolite. I believe that there are planets with life in the universe ,and i also believe that there are good and bad civilisations in the galaxy ,we are unfortunately the (bad) kind. And now i stop and go away from this forum because i feel enormous anger boiling inside me. And my words sounds unpleasant but i hope that (human) life on this (otherwise) beautifull planet will extinct forever ,because humankind can only destroy this third planet from the Sun. I wish that a supernova explodes (right now) at less than 1 lightyear away ,then i am really sure that life extinct forever. Greetings from a person full of sadness and anger. Goodbye. Denis12.:mad: :sad: :sad:

[antoniseb]

Denis12 please stop demanding that people reply to your posts. This is very impolite. There are many ways that you have been impolite on this forum, mostly by asking people things that you know are very similar to things you've already asked before. You don't listen, you are repetitive, you ask things that don't interest most of us because they are not realistic, you are ungrateful, and you demand things never saying please or thank-you... and now you wish we were all dead.

[Jeff Root]

antoniseb, don't you agree that impoliteness calls for
annihilation of all life on Earth? I mean, it's only tit for tat.
Is isn't as if he planned to destroy the entire galaxy or
something major like that.

-- Jeff, in Minneapolis

[Saluki]

I thought the Earth was already scheduled for destruction to make way for a hypergalactic expressway.

[The_Radiation_Specialist]

Because many threads were stopped while ony (friendly) asking for a reply.
No, only one thread of yours was actually closed. The rest have got fairly good responses.


This kind of policy that rules here has shocking me very much ,i am very dissapointed in the (whole) humankind at this Earthplanet.
Dude seriously, can I ask you how old you are? No offence, but do you have any other human connection outside this forums?
just because a bunch of astronomy *geeks* have somehow "dissapointed" you it doesnt mean you have to be angry at all human kind :)



I (really hope that a comet hits the Earth very soon and that the mankind will become extinct because it becomes more and more a unpleasant world for me and many other people and animals. Stopping threads without any reason is really impolite. I believe that there are planets with life in the universe ,and i also believe that there are good and bad civilisations in the galaxy ,we are unfortunately the (bad) kind. And now i stop and go away from this forum because i feel enormous anger boiling inside me. And my words sounds unpleasant but i hope that (human) life on this (otherwise) beautifull planet will extinct forever ,because humankind can only destroy this third planet from the Sun. I wish that a supernova explodes (right now) at less than 1 lightyear away ,then i am really sure that life extinct forever.
Thats a classic astronomical curse! baravo! :D

[Swift]

antoniseb, don't you agree that impoliteness calls for
annihilation of all life on Earth? I mean, it's only tit for tat.
Is isn't as if he planned to destroy the entire galaxy or
something major like that.

-- Jeff, in Minneapolis
Miss Manners (http://lifestyle.msn.com/Relationships/Article.aspx?cp-documentid=27876) is a big advocate of polite behavior, but even she wouldn't call for the end of all life as punishment. ;)

[antoniseb]

I've moved this thread out of Q&A to this section where discussions of the forum take place.

[Maksutov]

I thought the Earth was already scheduled for destruction to make way for a hypergalactic expressway.Bypass.

Perhaps Denis12 has lost his towel...

But, good to see the rest of us haven't lost our senses of humor. That's the only way to put a Dent in pervasive seriousness.

[N C More]

I think Denis12 may be 12 (years old)? Perhaps he just needs some guidance?

[antoniseb]

I think Denis12 may be 12 (years old)? Perhaps he just needs some guidance?

If I remember correctly, he has said that he is 31. I had suspected that he was a youngster earlier on, but my current model is that he is a poet for whom English is not his first language (but one he is good at), and that he likes to envision these scenarios he keeps asking about, but doesn't have nearly the science required to draw the details himself.

[Jim]

I thought the Earth was already scheduled for destruction to make way for a hypergalactic expressway.

I thought we were blocking Marvin's view of Venus.


But, good to see the rest of us haven't lost our senses of humor. That's the only way to put a Dent in pervasive seriousness.

Gro-o-oan. (But, in a good way.)

[five_distinct]

On the topic of people making useless posts, I, for one, am proud of myself for not degrading every single thread I post in into sarcastic waste. I've only been warned like 4 or 5 times by moderators to quit doing whatever it is I've done at that time.

[Duane]

If I remember correctly, he has said that he is 31. I had suspected that he was a youngster earlier on, but my current model is that he is a poet for whom English is not his first language (but one he is good at), and that he likes to envision these scenarios he keeps asking about, but doesn't have nearly the science required to draw the details himself.

I recall that too. I thought then that it was pretty obviously untrue, and I am pretty sure the "12" in his handle is more accurate.

[Relmuis]

I would like to point out that I found a thread by Dennis which was closed because "Dennis is asking for replies while nobody is interested in posting any more" when I was intending to do just that (posting on it, that is).

I don't visit this forum (or go on the net) every day, so my not posting for some time should not be taken as a sign of my having lost interest. The same, I suspect, will be true for some of the others.

I feel that cautioning Dennis about double posting and "bumping" would have been more appropriate that closing the thread altogether.

But I agree that destroying the Earth in retaliation would be rather excessive.

[antoniseb]

I feel that cautioning Dennis about double posting and "bumping" would have been more appropriate that closing the thread altogether.

For the record, Denis12 had been previously warned about these things before closing the thread. He has been very consistent about ignoring all warnings and requests for changes in his forum behavior toward the more polite.

Thread closure seemed more mild and to the point than suspension, which I saw as my only other remaining option.

[hhEb09'1]

I wish that a supernova explodes (right now) at less than 1 lightyear away Now, that would be interesting. I wonder how that could happen.

[Swift]

Along the lines of trying to be useful and not just make jokes...
Denis12, if you return, I would offer a piece of advice. I think we all appreciate your curiosity. But you seem to think that we have some sort of obligation to answer your questions, as indicated by your postings along the lines of "someone answer my question". I have tried to answer some of them, as have many others. But all of us do this for fun, not because of some obligation. You also sometimes ask some very difficult questions, for which no one may have an answer. I think you need to be patient and understanding and maybe a little more thankful for the answers you do get.

[Irishman]

You know, Denis12, if all of humanity is bothering you, I suggest you look at the one common thing in all those situations. Hint: it's a vowel.

[Monique]

antoniseb, don't you agree that impoliteness calls for
annihilation of all life on Earth? I mean, it's only tit for tat.
Is isn't as if he planned to destroy the entire galaxy or
something major like that.

-- Jeff, in Minneapolis
I agree... was moderate response. :)

[mickal555]

Pehaps Dennis would like to have a look at some other ways to destroy the earth... http://qntm.org/destroy :razz:

[Nowhere Man]

For what it's worth, I did a bit of cursory checking. It looks like Van Maanen's star might just barely be within the capabilities of a 7" reflector, on a night with perfect seeing, no light pollution, and good dark adaptation. It's about magnitude 12.4.

But good luck actually identifying it among all the other stars you'll be seeing. Take a map.

(message moved to Denis12's van Maanen's star thread)

Fred

[TheBlackCat]

Does rule 17 no longer apply or something?

[antoniseb]

Does rule 17 no longer apply or something?

Rule 14 says:

14. Disruptive Behavior

The moderators and administrators reserve the right to take action against a poster who is disrupting the normal flow of the board. This includes violations listed in the other rules (trolling, use of ad hominems, posting copyrighted materials, etc.), but may also include behavior we have not yet foreseen. Since this rule is perforce general, we will attempt to correct the problem by warning the violator (via PM, email, or posting in the thread) and giving them a chance to explain themself, and we will take further action only if proven necessary.

I think that we are in the phase of determining if it is necessary to take further action. As much as Denis12's blowup in this thread seems troubling, he really never attacked anyone, and was being given the grace afforded to new people. We don't like to ban people unless it seems really necessary. Balance this against his obvious genuine interest. Rule 14 is the rule that would apply.

[jkmccrann]

Because many threads were stopped while ony (friendly) asking for a reply. This kind of policy that rules here has shocking me very much ,i am very dissapointed in the (whole) humankind at this Earthplanet. I (really hope that a comet hits the Earth very soon and that the mankind will become extinct because it becomes more and more a unpleasant world for me and many other people and animals. Stopping threads without any reason is really impolite. I believe that there are planets with life in the universe ,and i also believe that there are good and bad civilisations in the galaxy ,we are unfortunately the (bad) kind. And now i stop and go away from this forum because i feel enormous anger boiling inside me. And my words sounds unpleasant but i hope that (human) life on this (otherwise) beautifull planet will extinct forever ,because humankind can only destroy this third planet from the Sun. I wish that a supernova explodes (right now) at less than 1 lightyear away ,then i am really sure that life extinct forever. Greetings from a person full of sadness and anger. Goodbye. Denis12.:mad: :sad: :sad:

Dude, if you really are the 31 you claim to be - you need to take some chill pills buddy and relax! If you're down under I can set you up - if you're 12 though - don't despair, go and watch a movie or something and calm down!

[Dragon Star]

Wow, Denis kinda lost his cookies....:eh:

[Kaptain K]

I, for one, was getting a little tired of explaining why we aren't going to send a mission to [insert name of star here] anytime soon!

I often thought that he was using this forum as his own personal Google, especially when he would ask a question and come back an hour later demanding an answer.

[Gillianren]

That was what I felt, too--I stopped opening his threads PDQ, but those few that I did all felt like he could've found the information somewhere else with a minimum of effort. I also asked a few direct questions ("Why do you want to know?"; "What makes you think we should send a mission to this star when we just told you on the last thread that sending a mission to the other star wouldn't work?") that never got answered.

[Mungascr]

'Dennis12', I hate to disappoint you further but there's only one star we know of within one light year & its our Sun. Our Sun is NOT the type of star that will ever go supernova - ie. a white dwarf binary or supergiant star. Best you can hope for is Earth being cremated when the Sun becomes a red giant in five billion years time ...

Even if there was another star within a light year it wouldn't be the supernova sort or we'd have found it - definitely no supergiant and X-ray/ UV emissions would give away any white dwarf & red / brown dwarf binary likely to result in supernovae.

Course that could all be wrong but all the evidence & astrophysics /stellar evolution theory suggests otherwise ..

Bans for double posting .. (GULP!) Crikey that can happen by accident and has to me a few times already - sorry but I think that's getting a mite harsh. Why not simply delete the accidental second post or have I misunderstood something?

Edited for corrections to speling &spacing.

[antoniseb]

Bans for double posting .. (GULP!) Crikey thatcan happen by accident and has to me a few times already - sorry but I think that's getting a mite harsh

I'm guessing you've misunderstood something. First no one has been banned for double posting. Second, Denis12 has not been banned or suspended.

[Mungascr]

I would like to point out that I found a thread by Dennis which was closed because "Dennis is asking for replies while nobody is interested in posting any more" when I was intending to do just that (posting on it, that is).

I don't visit this forum (or go on the net) every day, so my not posting for some time should not be taken as a sign of my having lost interest. The same, I suspect, will be true for some of the others.

I feel that cautioning Dennis about double posting and "bumping" would have been more appropriate that closing the thread altogether.

But I agree that destroying the Earth in retaliation would be rather excessive.

Thanks [BOLD] 'Antoniseb' [/UNBOLD] (how do you get that bolding /italicising etc ..again?)

I understood Dennis12 wasn't banned but was worried by the "cautioned about double posting" bit above. Not sure what 'bumping' refers to - afraid I'm not great on the netiquete and am an .. umm .. "intermittant" poster here & net surfer generally.

Is "double posting" accidentally posting the same exact mesage twice which seems just an unintentional thing easily remedied by deleting the surplus or is it posting two different messages on the same topic one-after-the-other?

Either way, I'll have to 'fess up. The first obviously by mistake (ie. not sure if I pressed the submit button so I've pressed again); the second because one post leads me thinking of a seperate-but-connected-follow-up.

Example: like my additional 'curious fact' one about Van Maanen's Star and Kapteyn's Star sharing an anniversary year 1917 - 1897 -2007 after my sumary of info. on Van Maanen's Star for those curious about it.

That, to me anyway, seems reasonable - splitting a related 'after-thought' post from a 'main' one reduces the strain in some ways I think .. Is that wrong?

I'll just add that earlier tonight I've skimmed thro' a "banned posters" list thread which was a tad scary ... if sometimes understandable when you look at what's been done / discussed / flamed and sometimes (to me again anyhow) less so. No offence intended, just puzzled and slightly alarmed by the one's I don't understand.

I do however fully comprehend & accept that it is Phil Plait's electronic-web "home" so I quite accept his right to call the shots and choose his guests.

Fair enough. ( ? )

Edited 'coz I'm tired and thus making mistakes.

[antoniseb]

I understood Dennis12 wasn't banned but was worried by the "cautioned about double posting" bit above. Not sure what 'bumping' refers to

The double-posting that Relmuis referred to was posting the exact same message in multiple sections of the forum. Denis12 did this a few times, especially when he was new. To be fair, he had the bad example of VenusROVER (a banned user) to follow.

Bumping is when someone posts a comment in an old thread to move it back to the top of the list (which is an impolite way to keep something uninteresting from sliding into oblivion, especially if you were the most recent previous poster).

[Mungascr]

Thanks for that. Antoniseb & Dragon Star

Now I get it .. and, yep, that is reasonable enough I suppose. Altho' if you don't check for ages then search / go thro' and find something in the older threads it still seems a trifle harsh - I suppose if you only "bump" occasionally and not gratuitoiusly that would be alright?

Eg. I'm sure there was a thread I started months ago, I wonder if anyone's replied and if so shall I post back .. [Okay?]

versus

I'm posting on this thread again today - every five minutes ! Just to keep it at the top even though I'm the only one whose ever posted there. [Not OK!]

Have it got it there?

Afraid I don't see any B/ I / U buttons above the box on my screen - even after clicking the "go advanced" button - is this computer-related? Or something else ... Like my state of being 4/8ths asleep? ;)

[antoniseb]

Have it got it there?

Yes. If you do something impolite a few times, we will let you know privately without it being an official warning. We are mostly looking out to keep the forum running smoothly, and to keep it available as an educational tool (hence no profanity, etc).

[Dragon Star]

If a discussion is still useful, I see no reason for not bumping a thread that is less then a year from last post, but if a topic hasn't been posted on for a year or longer your better off starting a new thread about your idea or question if reading that thread didn't get you the result you wanted.

At least thats my rule of thumb...

Welcome to the forum!

[antoniseb]

I extracted the discussion of browsers, format help, and PMs. I have left the discussion of bumping and other impoliteness here.

[neilzero]

I have noticed a few people post even if they have nothing of significance to say. I sometimes do not even answer questions directed to me, if I have no worthy responce. Occasionally someone answers for me, for which I am greatful.
In my opinion, exchanging useful information is the purpose of the form. I do however enjoy occasional light comments, humor, but I have little talent for creating humor, so I try to stay with that which seems useful to me. I appologize if you dissagree about useful. Neil

[worzel]

I have noticed a few people post even if they have nothing of significance to say.
Yeah, me too.

[Maksutov]

Originally Posted by neilzero.

I have noticed a few people post even if they have nothing of significance to say. Yeah, me too.Q.E.D.

[The_Radiation_Specialist]

two pages made...

[Tensor]

Q.E.D.

What's Queen Elizabeth's Dog have to do with this.:whistle:

[agingjb]

I'd have to say that I'm baffled by this forum.

The OP's rant is so odd that I can't see any comfortable explanation for it. I've responded to some of his requests with answers and links, without any evidence that he read my replies or followed the links. I certainly shall not respond in the event that he decides to ask any thing else.

I'll also admit to an increasing reluctance to continue here at all.

[Duane]

I'll also admit to an increasing reluctance to continue here at all.

I'm wondering why you feel this way. Is there a problem with the froum that you think is not being addressed? Is there something we could be doing better?

[mugaliens]

You know, Denis12, if all of humanity is bothering you, I suggest you look at the one common thing in all those situations. Hint: it's a vowel.

U?

Seriously, if a supernova is what he wants, then a supernova is what he'll get. Anything for Denis!

Now, if I can just find a suitable star.

[The_Radiation_Specialist]

Stop this forum immediately!

ok, Everyone stop right NOW :doh:

[Maksutov]

ok, Everyone stop right NOW :doh:Funny thing is, five minutes after we stopped, a wonderful new form of spaceship drive had been unveiled at a government research base on Damogran which would henceforth make all hyperspatial express routes, and stoppages of BAUT fora, unnecessary.

[Doodler]

The double-posting that Relmuis referred to was posting the exact same message in multiple sections of the forum. Denis12 did this a few times, especially when he was new. To be fair, he had the bad example of VenusROVER (a banned user) to follow.

I think "spamming" is probably a better description of that. At least to keep those of us victim to the whims of suddenly lost bandwidth and other forms of forum software insanity from having a coronary over those rather embarassing second copies.

:)

As to the content of Denis's posts, I never saw them as an issue in and of themselves, but he did tend to fail when it came to extrapolating the answer from one post as applying to the next question he would raise. There would be times reading some of his follow up posts I'd find myself rather rhetorically asking "where have I seen this material before?"

[Halcyon Dayz]

Cross posting (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross_posting)

[Doodler]

Cross posting (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross_posting)

Uncle :)