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2001-Nov-18, 10:12 AM
<a name="gnuplot.tc"> TABLE OF CONTENT 1
2: 1-11-19 CIRCLE
3; 2001-11-20 11:52 Mr. X an astroid
4? Cylinder

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2001-Nov-20, 12:16 PM
<a name="circle"> CIRCLE / gnupot Script
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set par
set term dumb
set size .4,.5
plot cos(t), sin(t)

http://www.nw.uklinux.net/bbs/messages/3618.html

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Mr. X
2001-Nov-20, 04:52 PM
Ah, the parametric circle.

Here are some other interesting parametric "plots":

x=cos<sup>3</sup>(t) y=sin<sup>3</sup>(t) will give you an astroid

Try looking up cardioids, they can be ineteresting too.

2001-Nov-21, 09:47 AM
On 2001-11-20 11:52, Mr. X wrote:
x=cos<sup>3</sup>(t) y=sin<sup>3</sup>(t)
<a name="CYLINDER"> Cylinder
set term vgalib
set para
spl v, cos(u), sin(u)

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2001-Nov-25, 07:25 AM
<a name="20011125.spl"> Space Philo
1? remember i aim at ({[:" 5th frame ":]})
2: even though one of the first excersizes
3# was to attempt a modle of a circle
or in phil0 terms the cross section of a
sphere. I quickly leave the sphere behind
and next try for a cylinder{ I call this
the three tennis balls in a "VACUUM" can
modle of MY 3 sphere universe.
& the reason I chose 3 balls (spheres)
in a cylinder (Vacuum can) is to get
around the speed of light in the can
never mind there were mathametical reasons
for having the outter frame of referance be
a cylindar rather than a sphere! i call it my delta t reason

2001-Nov-27, 12:08 PM
YEAH, yeah? i'll move this PHil0 D`bait to
http://www.nw.uklinux.net/bbs/messages/3626.html
in the mean while say in effect that once
the moving arm releases the bag containing
the can of tennis balls, and that bag inpacts
to a sudden stop on some FIRM cement
oscillations upon the skin of the balls
are expected to occure {leap of logic}
this motion now called TIDES of Earth
ripple across the surface mostly and some
discription of the effect will be attempted
in General under the titke "TIDE".
however Tide of Earths {to much in my
opinion for earthlings to comprehend} so
I'll in post 1 refer to the ripples as Moon Tide.
and address my question to the MoonLing
rather than the Earths {well never mind}
[this line left for possible link to General]

GrapesOfWrath
2001-Nov-28, 08:41 AM
I once had a similar idea, I called it earthrobs. It actually got me into graduate school. Luckily, by the time I got there, I'd learned so much more and went on to other things--I read some work by Vincent Courtillot that, had I read it earlier, I probably would have said, "so it's solved already," and forgot about it.

2001-Nov-28, 10:47 AM
On 2001-11-28 03:41, GrapesOfWrath wrote:
I once had a similar idea, I called it earthrobs. It actually got me into graduate school. Luckily, by the time I got there, I'd learned so much more and went on to other things--I read some work by Vincent Courtillot that, had I read it earlier, I probably would have said, "so it's solved already," and forgot about it.

SO? if its been already solved
post a link to where I can get the graph
of the "Long Term" trend's in even earth tides
earthling. never mind Moon tides for now
as Now i think that day= month there on
their Moon surface. Not Mine!

GrapesOfWrath
2001-Nov-28, 12:51 PM
On 2001-11-28 05:47, HUb' wrote:
SO? if its been already solved
post a link to where I can get the graph
of the "Long Term" trend's in even earth tides
earthling. never mind Moon tides for now
as Now i think that day= month there on
their Moon surface. Not Mine!

Did you just call me "earthling"? Smile when you say that!

How long term do you want?

Mr. X
2001-Nov-28, 10:30 PM
I thought we were talking about parametric, polar, and cylindrical plots!

Are you really a teratologist, GrapesOfWrath?

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2001-Nov-29, 04:09 AM
On 2001-11-28 07:51, GrapesOfWrath wrote:

On 2001-11-28 05:47, HUb' wrote:
SO? if its been already solved
post a link to where I can get the graph
of the "Long Term" trend's in even earth tides
earthling. never mind Moon tides for now
as Now i think that day= month there on
their Moon surface. Not Mine!
smilie HUb'? i guess i'll try 3 charts
one back 69 million anums [ um 12times69=1000 Moons ago
Did you just call me "earthling"? Smile when you say that!
"ONE" about 120 Milion 12x12 = 144 say 20,000 or 25k Moons
How long term do you want?
anda long term plot 4.5e X 13 = E10 Moons um? 10 Billion Moons ago

2001-Nov-29, 04:13 AM
On 2001-11-28 17:30, Mr. X wrote:
I thought we were talking about parametric, polar, and cylindrical plots!
yes YE\$ youv'e got it exact
Are you really a teratologist, GrapesOfWrath?
HUb' was trying to reintroduce the Peramiter (PERIMITER)
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"NOT" remove the parmiter as {as I understand this}
WE ... ? are taught to do in schoools? {oh well}

GrapesOfWrath
2001-Nov-29, 06:34 PM
Reliable tidal measurements only go back a few hundred years, timing-wise. I am unaware of any geological record that could be reliably interpreted as indicating the magnitude of the tides, irrespective of phase, but I can imagine that that might be possible, given favorable circumstances.

On 2001-11-28 17:30, Mr. X wrote:
Are you really a teratologist, GrapesOfWrath?

I guess I should change that to amateur teratologist.

ToSeek
2001-Nov-29, 07:26 PM
On 2001-11-29 13:34, GrapesOfWrath wrote:

I guess I should change that to amateur teratologist.

Isn't that someone who studies monsters?

GrapesOfWrath
2001-Nov-29, 07:50 PM
On 2001-11-29 14:26, ToSeek wrote:
Isn't that someone who studies monsters?

Hmmm,...yes, why do you want to know?

Seriously, it's biological malformations, technically. But the general study of monsters is what I'm implying.

Mr. X
2001-Nov-29, 08:12 PM
Uh, so it's like a hobby to you?

You rent embryology books, look at deformities?

2001-Nov-30, 10:50 AM
I sure dont have a good grip on this
However i'll start here after

seeing the drawings #3 at the library
{remember i dont get the .pic here}
showing the tidal bulge rotated CCW
from the moons position by
"the rotation of the Earth" {ha ha ha}[LOL]
listen my retort to "THAT" repot(ed) FACTs
THIS it dont show the "BIG" Clam tide twisted
almost 7 days befor the SUN con Moon days?

2001-Nov-30, 10:54 AM
first aproximations =? MATH ?= M.d=M_o*t^Q where Q=(1to4mm)/60b
E_a=4.5e9 M_o about 4.5e9*13ish=60billionth Lunar orbital [60]<pre>
at rate 1: 1mm/M_o then 60e9*1mm= 60e9mm{60billion milimeters}
{ 60 million Meters / 60 thousand Kilometers /in/ 450,000km }
{{ perhaps some numbers like 60/450 as a % = 13&1/3% }}
....:....1....:....2....:....3....:....4....:....5 ....:....6
-60 at this scale of comprehension using ToSeek #'\$
-30 the PLOT appears linier allthough Moon "DEPARTS"
-0 its supposed to be "NOT" this way. .
{room 4 link to Lunar} later </pre>

GrapesOfWrath
2001-Nov-30, 11:18 AM
On 2001-11-29 15:12, Mr. X wrote:
Uh, so it's like a hobby to you?

You rent embryology books, look at deformities?

I read the BA board. /phpBB/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif

HUb'

Clam tide? Where are you at?

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2001-Dec-01, 05:12 PM
[quote]
On 2001-11-29 13:34, GrapesOfWrath wrote:
Reliable tidal measurements only go back a few hundred years, timing-wise. I am unaware of any geological record that could be reliably interpreted as indicating the magnitude of the tides, irrespective of phase, but I can imagine that that might be possible, given favorable circumstances.
10:42 A.M.HUb'= I read somewher that using
Devonian corals that the Earth Year can be
shown equal to 400 Earth days long LONG ago?
so this line above would suggest that the
spin rate has decreased to 365 or else the
Orbital period has increased ? I dont know
I have never seen numbers posted for the rate
of increas of earths mass due to solar winds. or what this does to earth time add leap second?

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2001-Dec-01, 05:19 PM
[quote]
On 2001-11-30 05:50, HUb' wrote:
I sure dont have a good grip on ?
10:49 A.M.HUb'well I dismiss the whole
argument in this eara as just the
"colective earthlings" wrong
immage of Solar space. which i assume
resembles a white sheet of paper
orBlake background if you prefer a -
anyway I sort of conjure up a sun flower
pattern for space between Sun And Earth
with a pattern shift of seven gravity days
from Sun to Earth placing Clam Tides at the
TIME4space screwed into Moon Conjunct Sun

2001-Dec-01, 05:22 PM
On 2001-11-30 06:18, GrapesOfWrath wrote:

On 2001-11-29 15:12, Mr. X wrote:
Uh, so it's like a hobby to you?

You rent embryology books, look at deformities?

I read the BA board. /phpBB/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif

HUb'

Clam tide? Where are you at? 10:55 A.M. HUb' Astoria Oregon?
where the Columbia River Dumps into Pacific Ocean
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I was on page 29 of 30 at 10:58 A.M.

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GrapesOfWrath
2001-Dec-01, 06:13 PM
On 2001-12-01 12:12, HUb' wrote:
I read somewher that using Devonian coarls that the Earth Year can be shown equal to 400 Earth days long LONG ago? so this line above would suggest that the soin rate has decreased to 365 or else the Orbital period has increased ? I dont know I have never seen numbers posted for the rate of increas of earths mass due to solar winds. or what this does to earth time add leap second?

The usual interpretation is that the earth's rate of rotation has slowed, so that there are fewer (but longer) days per year. That doesn't tell you how large the tides were, though. Still, if the moon were closer, the tides would be larger.

GrapesOfWrath
2001-Dec-01, 06:44 PM
On 2001-12-01 12:22, HUb' wrote:
Clam tide? Where are you at? 10:55 A.M.
HUb' Astoria Oregon? where the Columbia River Dumps into Pacific Ocean
I went to the NOAA Predicted Water Level Data page (http://www.co-ops.nos.noaa.gov/pred_retrieve.shtml?input_code=100001101ppr&type=pred), and ran the numbers for Astoria OR (Station ID 9439040), and it showed, for 11/30/2001, a low tide of -0.25 meters relative to MLLW, and a high of 2.90. That's full moon. Seven days from now, last quarter moon, it showed a low of about 0.10 and a high of 2.50. For new moon, it showed -0.25/3.00, then for the next first quarter it will be 0.30/2.30

So, it seems that the predictions are that the greatest low tides do occur close to the new and full moon. I think that the predictions are pretty accurate. Here is a webpage (http://tidesonline.nos.noaa.gov/coastline.shtml?region=or) that shows current water levels compared to predicted.

Why do you say that they are shifted seven days?

BTW, here is an interesting article on the Perigean Spring Tides (http://www.co-ops.nos.noaa.gov/faq2.html#15), which discusses the effect of the moon's perigee on tides, but mentions that tidal range is largest during new or full moon.
_________________
rocks

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2001-Dec-02, 03:44 PM
On 2001-12-01 13:13, GrapesOfWrath wrote:

On 2001-12-01 12:12, HUb' wrote:
I read somewher that using Devonian coarls that the Earth Year can be shown equal to 400 Earth days long LONG ago? so this line above would suggest that the soin rate has decreased to 365 or else the Orbital period has increased ? I dont know I have never seen numbers posted for the rate of increas of earths mass due to solar winds. or what this does to earth time add leap second?

The usual interpretation is that the earth's rate of rotation has slowed, so that there are fewer (but longer) days per year. That doesn't tell you how large the tides were, though. Still, if the moon were closer, the tides would be larger.

9:15 A.M. HUb' "Bigger Tides" Long ago? yeah?/?
acording to the 1-2-3 rate modle = distance, HOWever there must be a harmonice factor as Earth resonance can be looked for?

2001-Dec-02, 03:57 PM
<a name="Tides_As_story"> page Tides_As_story aka Astoria Tides
On 2001-12-01 13:44, GrapesOfWrath wrote:

On 2001-12-01 12:22, HUb' wrote:
Clam tide? Where are you at? 10:55 A.M.
HUb' Astoria Oregon? where the Columbia River Dumps into Pacific Ocean
I went to the NOAA Predicted Water Level Data page (http://www.co-ops.nos.noaa.gov/pred_retrieve.shtml?input_code=100001101ppr&type=pred),

webpage (http://tidesonline.nos.noaa.gov/coastline.shtml?region=or),

Why do you say that they are shifted seven days?

BTW, here is an interesting article on the Perigean Spring Tides (http://www.co-ops.nos.noaa.gov/faq2.html#15),
HUb's 9:28 A.M. 1 really glad you've included
"Parigee"
I consider the questions already under
discussion So complex i will ATTempt to
restart the Astoria Tide debait on a new
page in the Moon Chanel Look there for
my responce as i delay to look for data POINTS

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GrapesOfWrath
2001-Dec-03, 11:40 AM
On 2001-12-02 10:57, HUb' wrote:
"Parigee"
I consider the questions already under
discussion So complex i will ATTempt to
restart the Astoria Tide debait on a new
page in the Moon Chanel Look there for
my responce as i delay to look for data POINTS

Do you mean in this thread on the Lunar Conspriacies Forum (http://www.badastronomy.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?topic=233&forum=3&11)?

2001-Dec-03, 03:32 PM
Retort December 3, 2001 9:02 A.M. | 11 KAN 2 MAC
On 2001-12-01 13:13, GrapesOfWrath wrote:

On 2001-12-01 12:12, HUb' wrote:

Gw 13:13
The usual interpretation is that the earth's rate of rotation has slowed, so that there are fewer (but longer) days per year. That doesn't tell you how large the tides were, though. Still, if the moon were closer, the tides would be larger.
[/quote]
HUb' 1-12-03 9:03 A.M. well here we have a possible
kernal to question Whats the current incremental rate of rotation change per Month now and what did thos "Corals" say the incremental Monthly rate of change was when they said 400? Was it Zero(0) then and (-) Now?

GrapesOfWrath
2001-Dec-03, 05:06 PM
On 2001-12-03 10:32, HUb' wrote:
well here we have a possible
kernal to question Whats the current incremental rate of rotation change per Month now and what did thos "Corals" say the incremental Monthly rate of change was when they said 400? Was it Zero(0) then and (-) Now?

You don't get an instantaneous rate of change, ever. Modern laser measurements come close, but the ancient corals give rotation rates, not rate of change of rotation--and, as you can expect, the data is not perfect.

You calculate the rotation rate for one epoch, and compare it to another--that gives you the rate of change of rotation.

The rate of change has apparently slowed and sped, over the hundreds of millions of years. If the mass of the earth is realigned (perhaps by plate tectonics or mantle convection) so as to change the moment of inertia of the earth, the earth will tend to speed up or slow down. This is another effect, in addition to the lunar tidal slowing.

2001-Dec-04, 11:40 AM
On 2001-12-01 13:13, GrapesOfWrath wrote:

On 2001-12-01 12:12, HUb' wrote:
I read somewher that using Devonian coarls that the Earth Year can be shown equal to 400 Earth days long LONG ago? so this line above would suggest that the soin rate has decreased to 365 or else the Orbital period has increased ? I dont know I have never seen numbers posted for the rate of increas of earths mass due to solar winds. or what this does to earth time add leap second?

The usual interpretation is that the earth's rate of rotation has slowed, so that there are fewer (but longer) days per year. That doesn't tell you how large the tides were, though. Still, if the moon were closer, the tides would be larger.

Well?5:12 A.M. i'll admit my confusion
having had my 7 blown away. however I chose this to follow?/?

2001-Dec-04, 11:49 AM
On 2001-12-03 06:40, GrapesOfWrath wrote:

On 2001-12-02 10:57, HUb' wrote:
"Parigee"
I consider the questions already under
discussion So complex i will ATTempt to
restart the Astoria Tide debait on a new
page in the Moon Chanel Look there for
my responce as i delay to look for data POINTS

Do you mean in this thread on the Lunar Conspriacies Forum (http://www.badastronomy.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?topic=233&forum=3&11)?
YES, yes exactly. A link to a position that now seams very VERY wrong {still in D`bait however}

2001-Dec-04, 11:52 AM
HUb' 5:24 A.M.
On 2001-12-03 12:06, GrapesOfWrath wrote:

stuff i'll try to turn2 Thread {see Lunar}
On 2001-12-03 10:32, HUb' wrote:
well here we have a possible
kernal to question Whats the current incremental rate of rotation change per Month now and what did thos "Corals" say the incremental Monthly rate of change was when they said 400? Was it Zero(0) then and (-) Now?

You don't get an instantaneous rate of change, ever. Modern laser measurements come close, but the ancient corals give rotation rates, not rate of change of rotation--and, as you can expect, the data is not perfect.

You calculate the rotation rate for one epoch, and compare it to another--that gives you the rate of change of rotation.

The rate of change has apparently slowed and sped, over the hundreds of millions of years. If the mass of the earth is realigned (perhaps by plate tectonics or mantle convection) so as to change the moment of inertia of the earth, the earth will tend to speed up or slow down. This is another effect, in addition to the lunar tidal slowing.

GrapesOfWrath
2001-Dec-05, 08:05 PM
On 2001-12-03 06:40, GrapesOfWrath wrote:
Do you mean in this thread on the Lunar Conspriacies Forum (http://www.badastronomy.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?topic=233&forum=2&16)?

The BA moved it from the Lunar Conspiracies Forum.

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2001-Dec-16, 04:17 PM
1 moon reSEEds 3[]5
2 orb Period 28 []30
3 spin 28 []30
4 perigee ? 15[]45
5 N/S exc...20[/]30
6 ecentricty.0[]3
well i can only
guess at some of
these numbers
as i did NOT get
the datat "YET"
AS FOR THE RATE OF CHANGEs i'll say nothing [omitted]

2001-Dec-20, 03:06 PM
[quote]
On 2001-12-02 10:44, HUb' wrote: To
[quote]
2 IMIX 19 MAC
the Mayan .?.
anyway by this day i've pretty much fnished
this thread? having now automated the 8088
to Query the data base {yes,YES what ARE
the changes of rates in the recession
of the Moon, the perigee periods, and
the Moons orbital time as far as that goes}
Sure any link to Nasa data {current}
about the Latest lazer distance appriciated

GrapesOfWrath
2001-Dec-20, 08:06 PM
On 2001-12-20 10:06, HUb' wrote:
Sure any link to Nasa data {current}
about the Latest lazer distance appriciated

I'm not sure exactly what is here, but this is a link to the University of Texas McDonald Laser Ranging Station webpage (http://almagest.as.utexas.edu/~rlr/mlrs.html), and it seems to have lunar laser ranging data.

2001-Dec-21, 01:56 AM
On 2001-12-20 15:06, GrapesOfWrath wrote:

On 2001-12-20 10:06, HUb' wrote:

http://almagest.as.utexas.edu/~rlr/mlrs.html
it goes on a slow itteration rate? and I know not where yet
i'll try to follow along and do a gnuplot in 2002

2001-Dec-23, 03:48 PM
[quote]
On 2001-12-02 10:44, HUb' wrote: To:9:14 A.M.
[quote] I reformatted the 486/cdr and had
a long hassel geting it back to the Growlier
CD. upon which theres a ?" video "? about
the Saturn Rings, that could I I would
---------------------------------------
I can see i would be getting into a static
situation at that point? but yes I would2
try to do this. And now I say :2Day: at what
rate {how long does it take} do the Rings

2001-Dec-24, 03:35 PM
On 2001-12-23 10:48, HUb' wrote: To: 1-12-24 9:02 A.M.
[quote] :3:
[1] So by this time
[2] happy as a clam
[3] that i've done 1
[4] gnuplot of Perigee
[5] 400,000 km Moon
[6] distances...& Now
[7] will begin to try
[8] to do a few lines
[9] of muMATH syntax
[A] and lexicon?????
[B] because muMATH has a strange syntax
[C] cant you see i'll begin on strangness?
/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif: duuh? this line said quote in r brackets?

2003-Mar-20, 11:30 AM
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&lt;a name="2CIB9CUMKU"> LINE 2CIB9CUMKU aka 2CIB9CUMKU

On 2001-12-23 10:48, HUb' wrote: To: 1-12-24 9:02 A.M.

386T=3-3-30.7:37 A.M. changed Line two

2003-Mar-31, 03:01 PM
&lt;a name="2 CIB 9 CUMKU"> page 2 CIB 9 CUMKU aka 2 CIB 9 CUMKU
&lt;a name="2CIB9CUMKU"> LINE 2CIB9CUMKU aka 2CIB9CUMKU

On 2001-12-23 10:48, HUb' wrote: To: 1-12-24 9:02 A.M.

386T=3-3-30.7:37 A.M. changed Line two
:P 486T= 3/31 7:03
yeah? a few keystrokes on the 486
then off to stand in the Line?

2003-Apr-02, 12:28 PM
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&lt;a name="2CIB9CUMKU"> LINE 2CIB9CUMKU aka 2CIB9CUMKU

On 2001-12-23 10:48, HUb' wrote: To: 1-12-24 9:02 A.M.