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Tuckerfan
2005-Apr-06, 02:49 AM
Called the Aurora and built by a priest. (http://www.rexfeatures.com/features/516925/)
The unique Aurora, a 19 feet long monster that was built by an eccentric New York priest as the ultimate safety vehicle, is now turning heads again.

Father Alfred Juliano bankrupted himself creating the prototype, which remained the only one ever built because the contraption was so full of faults no one wanted one.

It was supposed to be the safest car ever built and included features that are now common, but at the time were unheard of.

It had seatbelts, a roll cage, side-impact bars, a collapsible steering column, foam-filled bumpers
and a padded instrument panel.

Its windscreen was curved away from the driver so the possibility of impact with it was reduced.I've got a magazine from the 1950s that talked about the car, and I figured that it had been lost (with good reason) to the mists of time. Instead, it turns out that a mad Englishman found the car and has restored it. Why, I have no idea.

Inferno
2005-Apr-06, 06:47 AM
It looks like the car Homer designed in the Simpsons episode where he first meets his half brother, Herb (and thereby manages to send Herb and his company bankrupt).

Nicolas
2005-Apr-06, 06:48 AM
http://www.rexfeatures.com/features/516925/hi-res/516925r.jpg

This is just soooo Austin Powers :D

It is the car screaming "if they had changed this and this and this and, well all this I would have been beautiful!!" that makes it so ugly. It expresses shame by the car itself. He can't accept his looks because he had the potential to be pretty. I'm getting completely philosophic on this car :D .

enginelessjohn
2005-Apr-06, 08:02 AM
The thing is it isn't really that ugly imho.... I mean yes, it's no looker, but it has been singlemindedly crafted, and if you think of it as abstract sculpture that moves it starts to make sense.

For true uglyness you've got to look at things in mass production, like Fiat Multipla. Or for the 'Mericans, the Pontiac Aztek. Yes news of that has crossed the pond..... For other examples take a look at

http://www.uglycars.co.uk/index.html

Equally I rather like old Saabs, which if I'm honest did look like they dropped out of the ugly tree onto a big pile of ugly sticks, so mabye I'm not the man to ask....

Cheers
John

<edited for grammar>

Nicolas
2005-Apr-06, 08:08 AM
Most examples listed at uglycars I like (at least a bit).

I do agree with the "Daihatsu Move" :D. That and other "little large cars" which include the matchbox scaled "jeeps" made by some manufacturers.

About the Renault Avantime: that one is a rare car. I've seen it once on a very early presentation, and once or twice on the road. I kind of like it. Excentric car, but not necesarily bad looking in my opinion. I like the looks of the new Mégane as well. I like the new Renaults better than many new Citroëns.

mid
2005-Apr-06, 08:33 AM
About the Renault Avantime: that one is a rare car. I've seen it once on a very early presentation, and once or twice on the road. I kind of like it. Excentric car, but not necesarily bad looking in my opinion. I like the looks of the new Mégane as well.

Oh dear, have you been staring at the lasers again, Nicolas? I was about to vote for the the Avantime as worst of all, with the Mégane a runner up.

Despite the fact that I find them so offensively ugly, I felt duty bound to take a look when we were buying a new car last year. That hideous stick-out boot bump on the Mégane is as bad practically as it is aesthetically, as it utterly destroys any chance you have of getting anything bulky in there - most of the bootspace can only take something about 30cm tall.

Nicolas
2005-Apr-06, 08:37 AM
About the Renault Avantime: that one is a rare car. I've seen it once on a very early presentation, and once or twice on the road. I kind of like it. Excentric car, but not necesarily bad looking in my opinion. I like the looks of the new Mégane as well.

Oh dear, have you been staring at the lasers again, Nicolas? I was about to vote for the the Avantime as worst of all, with the Mégane a runner up.

Despite the fact that I find them so offensively ugly, I felt duty bound to take a look when we were buying a new car last year. That hideous stick-out boot bump on the Mégane is as bad practically as it is aesthetically, as it utterly destroys any chance you have of getting anything bulky in there - most of the bootspace can only take something about 30cm tall.

I know that boot problem from our car: "large" boot, but you can't get anything through the boot door (Nissas Almera). But this was not about the Mégane being practical, it was about the looks :).

And I still like the new Mégane, and yes the avantime. But then again, while I didn't really like the Multipla, I didn't think it was as ugly as the press described it. The average no-inspiration everyday car is more ugly IMO.

btw I don't like the new Nissan nose, like on the new Primera.

Fram
2005-Apr-06, 08:40 AM
I like the Avantime!

My nomination would be the old Toyota Tercel (http://www.cogulus.com/archive/tercel/clean.jpg). Not all versions are as ugly, but some of them (http://www.auto.vl.ru/catalog_photos/toyota/tercel/toyota_tercel_2672.jpg) are :evil: What are those rear view mirrors doing there?

Nicolas
2005-Apr-06, 08:43 AM
I like the Avantime!

My nomination would be the old Toyota Tercel (http://www.cogulus.com/archive/tercel/clean.jpg). Not all versions are as ugly, but some of them (http://www.auto.vl.ru/catalog_photos/toyota/tercel/toyota_tercel_2672.jpg) are :evil: What are those rear view mirrors doing there?

That first picture made me end up on the ground next to my chair :). That rear window is even more ugly than the one in the Wagon-R (which I don't notice anymore due to overexposure, something like seeing corpses every day I assume :)).

Nicolas
2005-Apr-06, 08:52 AM
While the VW Golf 2 is a fine looking car IMO (certainly the GTi version) I REALLY don't like the looks of the cabrio version [-( .

captain swoop
2005-Apr-06, 09:05 AM
http://www.uglycars.co.uk/index.html

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Some strange inclusions. Morgan Aero 8 is a lovely car, Frogeye Sprite was a cludge to comply with a change in US car regs about minimum height for headlights, it was a stopgap unitl a proper redesign could be done. It's quite a rare and sought after vehicle.

Triumph TR7 was supposed to be an open top car but it looked like they were about to be banned in the USA for safety reasons (in the 70s) so a tin roof was added. It looks quite good IMHO, the open version looks better. Jaguar did the same with the XJS, it was going to be open but was designed as a tin top for the same reasons, the open car followed on later.

enginelessjohn
2005-Apr-06, 10:54 AM
Yeah, I don't agree with most of the uglycars site. I mean there is even the Citroen DS on there. They are beautiful!

I'm not sure about the Morgan Aero 8, but then Morgan seem to exist on another planet when it comes to engineering. Still I'd rather see one of those than one of a million identical boxes.

Cheers
John

Argos
2005-Apr-06, 12:10 PM
An aerodynamic nightmare...

mid
2005-Apr-06, 12:30 PM
Morgan Aero 8 is a lovely car

I'd definitely agree, but those cross-eyed headlamps really wind some people up.

For some reason the front light-brackets on the Ford Focus drove me up the wall, too.

EvilBob
2005-Apr-06, 12:32 PM
I mean there is even the Citroen DS on there. They are beautiful!
:o Yikes! Well, to each their own, I suppose. I always thought it looked like a cockroach, personally.... :D

Glom
2005-Apr-06, 01:16 PM
I kind of like it. It's certainly got character. I thought you were going to post a picture of the Fiat Multipla.

Trebuchet
2005-Apr-06, 07:11 PM
I like the Avantime!

My nomination would be the old Toyota Tercel (http://www.cogulus.com/archive/tercel/clean.jpg). Not all versions are as ugly, but some of them (http://www.auto.vl.ru/catalog_photos/toyota/tercel/toyota_tercel_2672.jpg) are :evil: What are those rear view mirrors doing there?

The mirrors out on the fenders (I think that would be "wings" to the UK contingent) are, I believe, a requirement on all cars in Japan.

Nicolas
2005-Apr-06, 07:15 PM
I think he wasn't talking about the rear view mirrors, but about their position. In belgium, the driver's rear view mirror is obligatory. An inside rear view mirror as well I think. THe right rear view mirror isn't, but all cars here have them as well. But they usually aren't positioned on the hood...

Swift
2005-Apr-06, 07:28 PM
I think the grill/headlight area in front was designed as a memorial to Harpo Marx
http://users.stargate.net/~harpo/char-7.jpg
http://www.rexfeatures.com/features/516925/hi-res/516925d.jpg
:lol:

LTC8K6
2005-Apr-06, 08:43 PM
Did they really think you'd be able to turn around in your seat before a crash?

That thing looks like it would cut a pedestrian off at the shins.

Bob
2005-Apr-06, 09:33 PM
Another list of ugly cars.

http://www.cartalk.com/content/features/uglycar/nominations.html

Nicolas
2005-Apr-06, 09:34 PM
New BMW 5 series ugly? Have they seen them in real life? :roll:

Tuckerfan
2005-Apr-06, 09:42 PM
New BMW 5 series ugly? Have they seen them in real life? :roll:Yeah, they're no where near as bad as the 7 series, which don't look too bad until you get to the rear, and then "Whoa! What the **&^##% is that?" Sort of like when a hot chick smiles and she's got an extremely bad case of decayed teeth.

Nicolas
2005-Apr-06, 09:54 PM
I like the back of the new 7 series 8-[

But then again, my teeth aren't what they used to be...

mopc
2005-Apr-06, 10:16 PM
A few unsual cars, from my pic collection (clickable thumbnails)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v636/mopc/cars/th_8f894bf6.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v636/mopc/cars/8f894bf6.jpg)http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v636/mopc/cars/th_1ee9dbea.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v636/mopc/cars/1ee9dbea.jpg)http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v636/mopc/cars/th_Wa353W.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v636/mopc/cars/Wa353W.jpg)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v636/mopc/cars/th_Ciami.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v636/mopc/cars/Ciami.jpg)http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v636/mopc/cars/th_Saab921947.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v636/mopc/cars/Saab921947.jpg)http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v636/mopc/cars/th_ChryslerGremlin1970.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v636/mopc/cars/ChryslerGremlin1970.jpg)

Tuckerfan
2005-Apr-06, 10:59 PM
A few unsual cars, from my pic collection Let's see, the first one's a Tatra (Porsche ripped them off for his design of the VW, BTW), the second one is a late 50s/early 60s Mopar, possibly a DeSoto, the third one looks like a Trabant, not sure what the fourth one is, the fifth's a Saab, and the last one's an AMC Gremlin (tres cool, IMHO).

Other contenders for ugly cars are this (http://www.theaircar.com/), this (http://usera.imagecave.com/tuckerfan/72custom.jpg), this (http://www.beaterz.com/reviews/0100/p44_belinda/belinda_right.jpg), and these. (http://www.suarezweb.com/davis/dfotos.htm)

Gullible Jones
2005-Apr-06, 11:05 PM
http://www.uglycars.co.uk/images/cars/c_sparrow2.jpg
http://www.uglycars.co.uk/images/cars/kamala2.jpg

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Trebuchet
2005-Apr-06, 11:27 PM
I think he wasn't talking about the rear view mirrors, but about their position. In belgium, the driver's rear view mirror is obligatory. An inside rear view mirror as well I think. THe right rear view mirror isn't, but all cars here have them as well. But they usually aren't positioned on the hood...

Yes, I was talking about the position as well. The second picture. I think that's a Japanese regulation to have them far forward.

mopc
2005-Apr-07, 01:06 AM
A few unsual cars, from my pic collection Let's see, the first one's a Tatra (Porsche ripped them off for his design of the VW, BTW), the second one is a late 50s/early 60s Mopar, possibly a DeSoto, the third one looks like a Trabant, not sure what the fourth one is, the fifth's a Saab, and the last one's an AMC Gremlin (tres cool, IMHO).

Other contenders for ugly cars are this (http://www.theaircar.com/), this (http://usera.imagecave.com/tuckerfan/72custom.jpg), this (http://www.beaterz.com/reviews/0100/p44_belinda/belinda_right.jpg), and these. (http://www.suarezweb.com/davis/dfotos.htm)

The fourth one is a Citroen Ami. The third one is the "rich" cousin of the Trabant, the Wartburg. The others are correct, except that the DeSoto would be different from the Chrysler Newport 1961 on the pic.

Tuckerfan
2005-Apr-07, 01:14 AM
The fourth one is a Citroen Ami. The third one is the "rich" cousin of the Trabant, the Wartburg. The others are correct, except that the DeSoto would be different from the Chrysler Newport 1961 on the pic. ](*,) I should have known the Chrysler! I've got a 1969 Newport! ](*,)

mopc
2005-Apr-07, 01:39 AM
The fourth one is a Citroen Ami. The third one is the "rich" cousin of the Trabant, the Wartburg. The others are correct, except that the DeSoto would be different from the Chrysler Newport 1961 on the pic. ](*,) I should have known the Chrysler! I've got a 1969 Newport! ](*,)

one for yu i think you will like it

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v636/mopc/cars/th_TTor.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v636/mopc/cars/TTor.jpg)

Tuckerfan
2005-Apr-07, 02:13 AM
one for yu i think you will like it

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v636/mopc/cars/th_TTor.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v636/mopc/cars/TTor.jpg)Huh? What's that? Never seen one of those before? ;) Looks like it might be Chick DeLorenzo's car, 1051.

Found some more info (http://driving.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,12389-1536514,00.html) on the Aurora.
The fibreglass body is so heavy it takes four people to lift the bonnet
Chassis based on 1954 Buick Roadmaster. Buyers offered choice of engines
The built-in hydraulic jacks ease wheel changing
Driver and three passengers sat on individual captain’s chairs
In 1957 the cost was estimated at $15,000. A Cadillac then cost $4,891

mopc
2005-Apr-07, 03:56 AM
Man, you know the owner's name!!!!

Fram
2005-Apr-07, 07:36 AM
mopc, swearing in alternative spelling isn't allowed on this board either...

I like that Chrysler '61, a great car.
I had only thought about mass produced cars, of course many hot rods and custom cars and so on are very ugly.
And I didn't know that the rearview mirror thing may have been Japanese regulation. But the Tercel on it's own is still a very very ugly car :lol:
I'm no fan of the Porsche Cayenne. SUV's are generally ugly, but this one beats the rest of the pack.

captain swoop
2005-Apr-07, 07:45 AM
I think he wasn't talking about the rear view mirrors, but about their position. In belgium, the driver's rear view mirror is obligatory. An inside rear view mirror as well I think. THe right rear view mirror isn't, but all cars here have them as well. But they usually aren't positioned on the hood...

hood? you mean bonnet?

In the UK up until the 70s they were called Wing Mirrors and they were on the wings, they still are called wing mirrors even though they are on the door.

Fram
2005-Apr-07, 07:53 AM
I think he wasn't talking about the rear view mirrors, but about their position. In belgium, the driver's rear view mirror is obligatory. An inside rear view mirror as well I think. THe right rear view mirror isn't, but all cars here have them as well. But they usually aren't positioned on the hood...

hood? you mean bonnet?

In the UK up until the 70s they were called Wing Mirrors and they were on the wings, they still are called wing mirrors even though they are on the door.

They ware on the wings in Belgium as well, but never that much forward. That's what caught my eye.

No mass production, but a race car with an AWACS radar dome (http://www.atspeedimages.com/csrg2002/1971_march_711_front.jpg)?

mid
2005-Apr-07, 08:12 AM
New BMW 5 series ugly? Have they seen them in real life? :roll:

Again, I'm going to have to disagree with you Nicolas. The current 5 series is remarkably ugly. But then the 7 series and the new 3 series (which share Chris Bangle's hideous design strategy) are even worse.

Worst of the lot of his horrible, horrible designs, though, has to be the Coupe version of the Z-series, the MZ. The Z4 is bad enough at the best of times, but the kludged-on roof just makes things ten times worse. The Z3 was the last non-ugly BMW, if you ask me.

Still, it means a lot more people realise they can go for a Honda S2000 or (hush, the purists will kill me) Porsche Boxster instead, which has got to be a good thing.

Fram
2005-Apr-07, 08:16 AM
The Z3 was the last non-ugly BMW, if you ask me.


The Z3 cabrio was nice, but the Z3 hardtop (coupé? break?) was ugly, much more so than the 3, 5 or 7 series. The 6 series (certainly the cabrio) and the Z8 are rather good-looking.

captain swoop
2005-Apr-07, 08:27 AM
Worst of the lot of his horrible, horrible designs, though, has to be the Coupe version of the Z-series, the MZ. The Z4 is bad enough at the best of times, but the kludged-on roof just makes things ten times worse. The Z3 was the last non-ugly BMW, if you ask me.
.

I agree they look like Kit Cars.

Morrolan
2005-Apr-07, 08:36 AM
Fiat Multipla. by far the most ugly car ever made...

list of beauties:

Jaguar E-type
1955 Mercedes 300SL gullwing coupe
1956 Corvette
Lamborghini Countach
DeLorean
the new Alfa Romeo GT =D>

the_shaggy_one
2005-Apr-07, 09:04 AM
I think he wasn't talking about the rear view mirrors, but about their position. In belgium, the driver's rear view mirror is obligatory. An inside rear view mirror as well I think. THe right rear view mirror isn't, but all cars here have them as well. But they usually aren't positioned on the hood...

Yes, I was talking about the position as well. The second picture. I think that's a Japanese regulation to have them far forward.

I had a buddy who lived in japan for a few years, so I asked him about this. Apparently, the mirrors are designed so you can see what's behind you without having to look to the side and take your eyes off of what's in front of you. They also make for a much smaller blind spot.

They look horrific, though.

Nicolas
2005-Apr-07, 09:19 AM
OK thanks for sharing that! I never knwe about it, all Japanese cars in EUrope have the rear view mirrors on the "normal place" :-?; I guess the cars just wouldn't sell here with the mirrors on the hood..

About the list of beautiful and ugly cars:

I am one of those people who didn't dislike the Multipla that much.
I didn't really like the DeLorean's looks.
The brute force of the Countach however 8). I've seen the Murcielago once here (insilver) and that is a beauty as well (designed by a Belgian, as is the Gallardo :)).

boppa
2005-Apr-07, 09:26 AM
woops double post without the piccy

boppa
2005-Apr-07, 09:34 AM
you mightnt have to look sideways-but those japanese mirrors stuck down near the headlights on the mudguards(fenders??) are worse than useless i found
mates got a fully imported jap sportscar with them and they are so small and so far away you cant see a semi in them let alone a car

this is mine(sorta-its a mates but i do most the driving in it)
vw australia countrybug
ugly but FUN :P
http://photobucket.com/albums/v208/boppa/countrybuggy/th_buggy1.jpg

big pic at http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v208/boppa/countrybuggy/buggy1.jpg

farmerjumperdon
2005-Apr-07, 12:16 PM
Ah yes, the Gremlin. Cute little piece of mechanical junk. My mom had one of it's decendants - the Pacer. Same junk, different skin. The only saving grace was that it was kind of fun to drive if you had the X package, which included a V8. An awful lot of power for a small car. Kind of like having a V8 in a Beetle. With it's wide wheelbase and low CG it was like driving a go-kart.

And why name it Gremlin? Why not just call it Little Thing that Bites Back?

captain swoop
2005-Apr-07, 01:24 PM
Good looks arm, TVR Speed 6, Jaguar C and D types, (Keep your E )
Lotus Europa and Elise, New Aston DB9, Mini Cooper (not the new one) and Triumph Stag

mid
2005-Apr-07, 01:33 PM
The Z3 cabrio was nice, but the Z3 hardtop (coupé? break?) was ugly, much more so than the 3, 5 or 7 series. The 6 series (certainly the cabrio) and the Z8 are rather good-looking.

Sorry Fram, I did mean just the cabrio, yes. Z-series hardtops are a nasty afterthought. Didn't the Z8 come before the Z3 if memory serves? In any case, that was ok, I agree.

While nowhere near as bad as the 7 series, I'm not a huge fan of the 6 series simply because it looks far too much like an old Renault Laguna for some perverse reason. Not that there's anything wrong with the Laguna, I just find that odd.

Nicolas
2005-Apr-07, 01:53 PM
the Z8 is much more expensive than the Z3. IIRC it came after the Z3 (together with a Bond movie?). I saw some in Berlin. They look a lot nicer than the Z3. But I'm a bit of a BMW fan. :)

mid
2005-Apr-07, 03:20 PM
Both the Z8 and Z3 came out with Bond movies; Tomorrow Never Dies and The World Is Not Enough. But I can't remember the order, otherwise I'd know which was released first...

edit - ah, a bit of googling shows that TND had the Z3 and TWINE the Z8. So it's the Z8 that is the most recent Beemer that I like instead.

edit2 - in fact, TND is a 750iL: it's all the way back to GoldenEye to find the Z3. Oops.

mopc
2005-Apr-07, 03:24 PM
Now, you will never in your entire lives know what car this is.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v636/mopc/cars/th_Hokok.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v636/mopc/cars/Hokok.jpg)

Nicolas
2005-Apr-07, 03:26 PM
My first guess was a Lotus Esprit in the James Bond version, but the gull doors don't fit.

It can be one of those Russian racing cars (like Tatra makes, next to their 8*8 ICBM trucks :))

Found it! Bricklin (I think)

(just did a quick Google image search for "Gull doors" :) )

mopc
2005-Apr-07, 03:27 PM
My first guess was a Lotus Esprit in the James Bond version, but the gull doors don't fit.

It can be one of those Russian racing cars (like Tatra makes, next to their 8*8 ICBM trucks :))

Looks a little like the Lotus Esprit, but no, far from it. I dont know whether more than 130 of these were ever built.

Nicolas
2005-Apr-07, 03:28 PM
See my edit :)

EDIT: hm, doesn't seem to fit the Bricklin.

btw do you like the looks of that car you posted or don't you? :)

darkhunter
2005-Apr-07, 03:31 PM
Now, you will never in your entire lives know what car this is.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v636/mopc/cars/th_Hokok.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v636/mopc/cars/Hokok.jpg)

I see they removed the flux capacitor :D from the DeLoreon

mopc
2005-Apr-07, 03:31 PM
See my edit :)

EDIT: hm, doesn't seem to fit the Bricklin.

btw do you like the looks of that car you posted or don't you? :)

No, not the "Bricklin" whatever that is. I don't like that car especially. It's OK.

Nicolas
2005-Apr-07, 03:34 PM
Darkhunter, I don't think that is an (original) DeLorean.

I suspected teh old version of the Cizeta Moroder, but it clearly ain't that one.

I don't really like the looks of that car. Not that the white and the angle reveal too much of it. It looks like some NewCountach wannabe :).

mopc
2005-Apr-07, 03:34 PM
Now, you will never in your entire lives know what car this is.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v636/mopc/cars/th_Hokok.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v636/mopc/cars/Hokok.jpg)

I see they removed the flux capacitor :D from the DeLoreon
Obviously an inspiration

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v636/mopc/cars/th_Delorean.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v636/mopc/cars/Delorean.jpg)

mopc
2005-Apr-07, 03:42 PM
No, no Cizeta Moroder, no Countach wannabe, well that may be...

Tip: this is no concept car, no one of a kind. It was produced and sold commercially, on the market, though I believe under special orders. That was the early eighties. As I said, not much more than 100 were ever produced. I've already seen at least one of those with my bare eyes.

I don't like that car that much, just I know nobody here would know which car it is.

darkhunter
2005-Apr-07, 03:46 PM
Darkhunter, I don't think that is an (original) DeLorean.

I suspected teh old version of the Cizeta Moroder, but it clearly ain't that one.

I don't really like the looks of that car. Not that the white and the angle reveal too much of it. It looks like some NewCountach wannabe :). :oops: :P

Nicolas
2005-Apr-07, 03:48 PM
:D in my search I came onto this (http://www.dubspeedracing.com/photopost/data/517/1IMG_0801.JPG)

Ugliest car?? :)

Or this one? (http://www.ufoseries.com/guide/strakersCar.jpg)

Nice design :roll:

mopc
2005-Apr-07, 03:52 PM
:D in my search I came onto this (http://www.dubspeedracing.com/photopost/data/517/1IMG_0801.JPG)

Ugliest car?? :)

That's not the ugliest car, it's the largest blackboard eraser

Bob
2005-Apr-07, 04:00 PM
Now that we have debated the ugliest car shall we discuss the worst car?

http://www.cartalk.com/content/features/Worst-Cars/results1.html

Nicolas
2005-Apr-07, 04:03 PM
Those VW busses vcan't be THAT bad, as I still see them driving around these days regularly (and I'm not even Jamaican :D )

mopc
2005-Apr-07, 04:18 PM
I thought the Chevy Corvair was known as a bad car!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v636/mopc/cars/th_ChevroletCorvair.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v636/mopc/cars/ChevroletCorvair.jpg)

And back on the ugly cars, how could we forget this?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v636/mopc/cars/th_FordEdselconv1958.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v636/mopc/cars/FordEdselconv1958.jpg)

Bob
2005-Apr-07, 04:28 PM
I believe with the Chevrolet Vega one had to loosen the engine mounts and jack up the engine a few inches in order to remove the rearmost spark plug. That has to count for something in the worst car sweepstakes.

Nicolas
2005-Apr-07, 04:47 PM
:D Maintainability ...

ANyone found that mistery car yet?

mopc
2005-Apr-07, 06:27 PM
I'll give you a day to figure out what that gull-winged car is!

Nicolas
2005-Apr-07, 06:37 PM
It would be more fun if you'd continue to give hints :)

We've got:

Tip: this is no concept car, no one of a kind. It was produced and sold commercially, on the market, though I believe under special orders. That was the early eighties. As I said, not much more than 100 were ever produced. I've already seen at least one of those with my bare eyes.

and

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v636/mopc/cars/Hokok.jpg

already.

BTW upon reposting the pic, and with evening lighting here, I see 3 "shark cuts" behind the window in the flanks. I might have overlooked some cars...

Fram
2005-Apr-07, 06:41 PM
It says 'Turbo' on the door, but I have no idea what it says on the back. Saturn? Probably not :o

Nicolas
2005-Apr-07, 06:42 PM
Well it can't be the Mercedes-Benz C 111/I with only 3 cuts :D

Nicolas
2005-Apr-07, 06:44 PM
This is not a completely over the top version of the BMW M1? (it had a version with gullwing doors, but I don't remember that spoiler and sharp lines, in fact the whole shape just is NOT an M1 :))
Edit: that specific version of the M1 I was thinking about has about 6 cuts, not 3

Fram
2005-Apr-07, 06:46 PM
Nope, not the BMW M1 and not the C111. I have checked them both earlier, and they don't match. I don't have a clue what it may be though :lol:

Nicolas
2005-Apr-07, 06:48 PM
Note:

*the steering wheel is at the left
*it has a third brake light in the spoiler
*is that an american license plate?

mopc
2005-Apr-07, 06:56 PM
I just found out that only about 20 such cars were ever sold. Only in one country. It has a Volkswagen 2 liter engine, though a few of the first units had a Volkswagen 1.8 engine.

mopc
2005-Apr-07, 07:01 PM
Another pic, this one was painted red by the owner instead of the original white all units had.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v636/mopc/cars/hoff_02.jpg

Nicolas
2005-Apr-07, 07:04 PM
*ugly*

Nicolas
2005-Apr-07, 07:07 PM
American Fibre Craft "Aquila" kitcar with VW engine?

The spoiler seems to be optional (photo2), but the general form of the Aquila is different as well... so maybe not an Aquila.

mopc
2005-Apr-07, 07:13 PM
*ugly*
I thought the one painted in red looked kinda nice.

Nicolas
2005-Apr-07, 07:14 PM
To me, it looks "hooky" without looking powerful (like the Countach).
EDIT: I mean the countach looks hooky and powerful :)

I think the Cizeta Moroder is just on the right side of ugly, this one is on the wrong side IMO :). I don't know, it looks like a plastic countach wannabe :) I suspect it to sound like a lawnmower when it starts :D (like those 50CC "racing motors")

mopc
2005-Apr-07, 07:15 PM
The interior of the red unit.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v636/mopc/cars/144cf0ee.jpg

Nicolas
2005-Apr-07, 07:18 PM
So it isn't the Aquila?

mopc
2005-Apr-07, 07:20 PM
Nope. And the spoiler was optional, the red one didnt have one but the owner added a similar one.

Nicolas
2005-Apr-07, 07:43 PM
Anyone else searching? 8-[

Nicolas
2005-Apr-07, 09:27 PM
The problem is that I know this car. I think I've got it in some "old maid" game (that's what they are called in the US, right?). I just can't find it, and I can't remember the name. Internet searches keep turning up with the Aquila (gullwing doors + VW engine) and otherwise the DeLorean, or the Bricklin :).

Tuckerfan
2005-Apr-07, 10:20 PM
Well, so far, I haven't been able to find anything, but I did get reminded of a whole line of hideous cars, and one model in particular. (http://www.sunbeltcars.com/kaiser_darrin.htm)

Oh, and mopc, if that is Chick DeLorenzo's Tucker you linked to, then not only do I know the owner's name, but I've spoken to him on the phone a couple of times as well. Really nice guy (supposedly having some serious health problems at the moment), and his was the last Tucker to ever be assembled. He put it together himself in the 1980s after buying all the parts from a museum.

Tuckerfan
2005-Apr-07, 10:28 PM
And is the mystery car a Brazilian Hofstetter Turbo?

mopc
2005-Apr-07, 10:59 PM
And the Winner is........... Tuckerfan!!!!!!!

Amazing, only a true car lover would know about the Brazilian Hofstetter eighties sports car! There was one in my city of Santos.

Did you know it Tuckerfan or did you just find it?

one link:
http://www.mgcbr.com.br/artigos/hofseter.htm

Nicolas
2005-Apr-07, 11:02 PM
I had searched for Brazilian sports cars, but I found nothing :).

mopc
2005-Apr-07, 11:03 PM
Well, so far, I haven't been able to find anything, but I did get reminded of a whole line of hideous cars, and one model in particular. (http://www.sunbeltcars.com/kaiser_darrin.htm)

Oh, and mopc, if that is Chick DeLorenzo's Tucker you linked to, then not only do I know the owner's name, but I've spoken to him on the phone a couple of times as well. Really nice guy (supposedly having some serious health problems at the moment), and his was the last Tucker to ever be assembled. He put it together himself in the 1980s after buying all the parts from a museum.

Did you know Tucker came to Brazil and had plans of building cars here? Once I saw the design of the model he wanted to build here.

Tuckerfan
2005-Apr-07, 11:10 PM
And the Winner is........... Tuckerfan!!!!!!!

Amazing, only a true car lover would know about the Brazilian Hofstetter eighties sports car! There was one in my city of Santos.

Did you know it Tuckerfan or did you just find it?

one link:
http://www.mgcbr.com.br/artigos/hofseter.htmI emailed a buddy of mine in Sweden and asked him.

The Tucker to be built in Brazil was the Carioca, and if I can find the pics, I'll post the CGI images one of your fellow countrymen did of the car, since it's absolutely stunning. BTW, there's a Tucker somewhere in Brazil. It's been caught up in a legal dispute among the heirs of the last owner and is slowly rotting away. I'd love to find out where it is and "liberate" it so that it could be restored. Oh, and here's a Bricklin. (http://www.saintjohn.nbcc.nb.ca/Heritage/HistoricalTour/images/Bricklincar1s.jpg) They were originally powered with an AMC 360, then production switched to a Chevy engine, IIRC. After the company failed, Bricklin decided to import Yugos to the US.

Nicolas
2005-Apr-07, 11:25 PM
Some of those older sports cars can be bought for not too much money these days. Even if they don't have much mechanical problems, there is still the price of the gasoline. I like the BMW 850 (especially the Alpina B12 coupe version, or the 850 csi), but even a regular 850 uses 14l/100km minimal. City traffic goes to 26l/100 km :roll:

The 850 csi goes from 0 to 100 in 7 seconds. Not a mircale -only this car is a 1800 kg luxury car!

SarahMc
2005-Apr-07, 11:48 PM
I believe with the Chevrolet Vega one had to loosen the engine mounts and jack up the engine a few inches in order to remove the rearmost spark plug. That has to count for something in the worst car sweepstakes.

That would be the Chevy Monza with a V8 (almost the same as the Vega). Below is my sister's '75 2+2:

http://m1.aol.com/deepspacegirl/monzarear.jpg


http://m1.aol.com/deepspacegirl/monzafront.jpg

mopc
2005-Apr-08, 12:51 AM
Amazingly, I just found a Brazilian webpage on the Tucker Torpedo history, and it's also a pro-Moon Hoax Theory page!!!!!

http://www.afraudedoseculo.com.br/tucker.htm

Maybe Tucker was in the 'hoax'!

mopc
2005-Apr-08, 01:03 AM
Oh my God I feel so honored!

There is a Tucker Torpedo not far from where I live, in Sao Paulo!

http://www.tuckerclub.org/html/display_car.php?car_number=1035&

I have to find it!

Tuckerfan, do you know how I get in touch with this Tucker owner? Family name????

By the way, yes, I've seen the Tucker Carioca that someone designed in computer graphics it was stunning, I'm trying to find a picture.

Tuckerfan
2005-Apr-08, 01:41 AM
Oh my God I feel so honored!

There is a Tucker Torpedo not far from where I live, in Sao Paulo!

http://www.tuckerclub.org/html/display_car.php?car_number=1035&

I have to find it!

Tuckerfan, do you know how I get in touch with this Tucker owner? Family name????

By the way, yes, I've seen the Tucker Carioca that someone designed in computer graphics it was stunning, I'm trying to find a picture.Sorry. I've got no info on the car other than what's already been posted. I would dearly love to know more about the car. Fully restored, she's worth half a million US, so it shouldn't be too hard to convince somebody with money to pony up enough cash to satisfy the feuding family. I know that Jay Leno's not a fan of the cars, but he's got a lot of respect for Tucker and he likes tinkering with things, so he probably wouldn't be a tough sell, if it could be located.

Edited to add:

I've found the name of the man who bought the Tucker and brought it to Brazil: Jamie Gatamianis I'm guessing that it's his family who has the car. If you find anything out about it, let me know.

Tuckerfan
2005-Apr-08, 05:01 AM
Found some more info from here. (http://quatrorodas.abril.com.br/reportagens/0602tucker.shtml) English translation for us gringos
Of the 51 model '48 sedans that Preston Tucker's factory produced in Chicago, one of them had a more afflicted trajectory and ended up in Brazil. It was acquired by the business of Jamie Gatamianis in December of 1948, who substituted the original moter, a Franklin 335, also used to move helicopters, for another one. At that time, he paid 5000 dollars for the car (equivilant to 36,000 dollars today), much more that the cost of a Cadillac Fleetwood, one of the icons of that time. Fourteen years later, Gatamianis sold the automobile to Roberto Lee, who wanted to make it one of the main attractions of his Paulista ["São-Paulo-ian"] Museum of Mechanical Antiquities, in Caçapava, in the São Paulo interior. He intended to restore the Tucker, but he didn't live long enough to do it. He died in the '70s and, since then, a legal dispute among his heirs closed the museum. Until the case is closed, the major attraction of the many things left by Lee will not be able to be appreciated by car lovers.If you actually manage to locate the car, please let me know!

mopc
2005-Apr-08, 05:09 AM
I'll try and find those people. I'll e-mail Brazil's top car magazines.

Tuckerfan
2005-Apr-08, 05:26 AM
The CGI images of the Carioca can be found here (http://usera.imagecave.com/tuckerfan/tucker_w1.jpg), here (http://usera.imagecave.com/tuckerfan/tucker_w0.jpg), here, (http://usera.imagecave.com/tuckerfan/tucker_w2.jpg) and here (http://usera.imagecave.com/tuckerfan/tucker_01.jpg).

mopc
2005-Apr-08, 05:31 AM
Apparently the car is rusting away in Lee's farm, in the city of Caçapava as you said above. Caçapava is about two and a half hours by car from where I live. I'd love to go there and try to take a few pictures.

mopc
2005-Apr-08, 05:36 AM
And yes, that's the Tucker Carioca. Did you know "carioca" is the word for those born in Rio?

A thing of beauty!!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v636/mopc/cars/tucker_w1.jpg

Tuckerfan
2005-Apr-08, 05:40 AM
If you manage to get some pics, I'd love to see them. I heard that the car was parked in a flood plain. :::shudder:::

mopc
2005-Apr-08, 05:47 AM
If you manage to get some pics, I'd love to see them. I heard that the car was parked in a flood plain. :::shudder:::

Yeah, but first I have to find it and then convince who ever owns the place to let me in. If I have time to get there!

E-mail all your Tucker friends and the Tucker foundation, try to discover more. Names of the heirs, exact address. Maybe the Tucker foundation would be glad to give those people some cash to let someone in to take a pic or two.

I will e-mail Brazil's car magazines, like Quatro Rodas (the one that published those Carioca pics) Maybe they know.

Tuckerfan
2005-Apr-08, 05:47 AM
And yes, that's the Tucker Carioca. Did you know "carioca" is the word for those born in Rio?

A thing of beauty!!!

Yeah, I had read that in a magazine from the 1950s that had an article about Tucker's Carioca. Tucker had sought treatment for lung cancer while he was in Brazil from a doctor down there who specialized in alternative therapies. Tucker later died of pneumonia and no autopsy was done, so there's no idea if the treatment worked or not. Evidently, Tucker intended to make the car nearly indestructable since the roads in Rio were pretty horrid at the time.

Tuckerfan
2005-Apr-08, 05:50 AM
If you manage to get some pics, I'd love to see them. I heard that the car was parked in a flood plain. :::shudder:::

Yeah, but first I have to find it and then convince who ever owns the place to let me in. If I have time to get there!

E-mail all your Tucker friends and the Tucker foundation, try to discover more. Names of the heirs, exact address. Maybe the Tucker foundation would be glad to give those people some cash to let someone in to take a pic or two.

I will e-mail Brazil's car magazines, like Quatro Rodas (the one that published those Carioca pics) Maybe they know.I don't think that they really know, or if they do, they're not telling. They tend to be pretty closed mouth on such details. After all, some rather famous and wealthy people own the cars. Still, I'll see if I can find out anything from them.

mopc
2005-Apr-08, 06:00 AM
Is it true (I just read on a website) that the Torpedo couldnt ride in reverse???

Tuckerfan
2005-Apr-08, 06:08 AM
Is it true (I just read on a website) that the Torpedo couldnt ride in reverse???Not true at all. That was one of the things the folks trying to shut Tucker down said about the car. If you're looking at the site that I think you are, almost all the information on it is wrong.

Tuckerfan
2005-Apr-08, 06:35 AM
A few more tidbits. (http://216.109.124.98/search/cache?p=tucker+%22roberto+lee%22+carro&ei=UTF-8&fl=0&meta=all%3D1&all=1&u=www.cni.org.br/produtos/diversos/src/rev47/Pg%252043%2520Museu%2520do%2520Auto.pdf&w=tucker+% 22roberto+lee%22+carro&d=5AD08A3391&icp=1&.intl=cd )
The first museum of antique cars in Brazil was opened by the Paulista engineer Roberto Lee, in the '70s. He began displaying his collection in an industrial shed in the city of São Paulo. Later he took the collection, which consisted of 150 cars, to his farm in Caçapava, near President Dutra Highway. Lee was the leader of the Brazilian collectors. It fell to him to organize national meetings, which were suspended for several years after his death in 1975. The museum stayed open for a few more years, until the beginning of the '80s, but it was finally closed by the family.

Lee's estate included a Tucker . . . There are only two [Tuckers] outside the United States today: one in Japan and the other in Caçapava, today hidden from the public.Supposedly, the engine was yanked and used to power a boat (destroying the engine in the process).

captain swoop
2005-Apr-08, 07:35 AM
Noble (http://www.noblecars.com/new-noble-site/model-m400.htm) are my fave at the moment. One passes me on the way to work every morning.

boppa
2005-Apr-08, 09:03 AM
Now that we have debated the ugliest car shall we discuss the worst car?

http://www.cartalk.com/content/features/Worst-Cars/results1.html

scary part is these old vw splitties are worth major money now
got 3 here undergoing restoration
the cheapest is worth 4 grand australian
no motor,no paint,extensive surface rust(no paint lol) and extensive dents from carrying loads on all exterior metalwork(panelvan)
shipped to japan-worth about 20-25g in us dollars-about20 times what the were worth new!!

lousy drivers-but a great investment ;-)

enginelessjohn
2005-Apr-08, 09:25 AM
Yay another type 2 owner! Got a '73 bay window.....

Never driven a splittie but bays don't drive that badly. Yes they wobble a bit in the wind, but nothing that isn't controllable. Not the fastest accelerating vehicle in the world, but I can cruise at 65 MPH without any real effort (with a 1600 stock engine).

Okay the heater was clearly designed by someone who lived in the Bahamas, and couldn't imagine sitting for an hour in a winter traffic jam north of about 50 degrees. Crashworthieness was to different standards, but my feet are sitting over a steel I beam connected to the bumper, so I'm not loosing any sleep over it....

Still there will always be those that don't get it.....

Cheers
John

boppa
2005-Apr-08, 09:56 AM
we got 5xcountrybugs(they only built 800 lol)splittie ute,panel van and a window van,plus um counts 5 or 6 late model kombis here at the moment

personally i think the whole drifts sideways in a crosswind thing was waaay exagerated-at the time they were basically the only van types being sold and of course they do catch the wind compared to a car- but so does a toyota tarago
the fact so many are still running around shows the are basically a solid car
they werent exactly optioned up(i owned a safari van-thats where both front windscreens lifted up to let the wind in 8-O THAT was the air con lol) but then they were never sold as a rolls royce-they were a very basic and very cheap car
and accepting them in that role-well the number sold showed they had been well thought out

lambo_20
2007-Jun-05, 07:23 PM
i think the scion xB, chrysler PT crusier, pontiac aztek, ford taurus, dodge nitro, toyota yaris, toyota prius, honda element, saturn vue, toyota bB, land rover, buick rendevouz, chevy blazer, chevy hhr, chevy ssr, subaru baja, nissan quest, nissan versa, dodge caliber, dodge magnum, gmc envoy, gmc acadia, scion tC, scion xA, toyota FJ crusier, toyota matrix, ford explorer sport trac, bugatti veyron, dodge avenger, geo metro wagon, volkswagen rabbit, and volkswagen jetta are all VERY UGLY cars!!!

LurchGS
2007-Jun-06, 02:55 AM
All in all, there are actually very few *ugly* cars on that list - and the Aurora isn't one of them. A quick look, I didn't see the Scion, the Pacer, nor the 1976 Monte Carlo - all of which are at least Ugly^2

Tucson_Tim
2007-Jun-06, 03:05 AM
All in all, there are actually very few *ugly* cars on that list - and the Aurora isn't one of them. A quick look, I didn't see the Scion, the Pacer, nor the 1976 Monte Carlo - all of which are at least Ugly^2

My votes are for the AMC Pacer, Gremlin, Matador. Ugly and unreliable!

Tucson_Tim
2007-Jun-06, 03:07 AM
All in all, there are actually very few *ugly* cars on that list - and the Aurora isn't one of them. A quick look, I didn't see the Scion, the Pacer, nor the 1976 Monte Carlo - all of which are at least Ugly^2

The Scion looks like a big shoe! Everytime I sse one I keep expecting an old lady to step out with all her children...

Noclevername
2007-Jun-06, 03:09 AM
The Scion looks like a big shoe! Everytime I sse one I keep expecting an old lady to step out with all her children...

"I know! Let's take the least aerodynamic shape possible, and make a car out of it!"

"BRILLIANT!"

danscope
2007-Jun-06, 03:38 AM
My votes are for the AMC Pacer, Gremlin, Matador. Ugly and unreliable!

Hi, At least the Pacer had a mission: This was the car to go to drive in theaters
in!!!! No viewing restrictions with this baby!
Dan

danscope
2007-Jun-06, 03:51 AM
Hi, I have to say that as the price of petrol continues to rise beyond exhorbitant levels, my 1959 Austin-Healy Bug-eyed Sprite begins to take on
more charm with each passing day and when passing each gasoline station.
While other vehicles draw petrol through an half-inch pipe, the Sprite drinks through a mini bar straw !!! :):D
This was the second car I owned when in High School. The first was a nice 56 Chevrolet ...265 V-8 3speed collumn 4dr . Two toned white/turquoise ,baby moons and a ravenous thirst for petrol. $10.00 a week ! ( 1965) .
Now, the Sprite used $2.50 and served me well , and in fact left enough
disposable income to support girls on dates.....more than once a week.
............."Ah....the good life, full of fun....seems to be ...the Ideal..
:D And talk about easy to work on !!!!!! Simplicity itself.
Best regards, Dan

Tucson_Tim
2007-Jun-06, 04:03 AM
Hi, At least the Pacer had a mission: This was the car to go to drive in theaters
in!!!! No viewing restrictions with this baby!
Dan

Yes. 3000 lbs of glass! :)

Maksutov
2007-Jun-06, 06:53 AM
If it ain't an Edsel (http://edition.cnn.com/US/9708/11/edsel.anniversary/edsel.large.jpg), it ain't ugly.

Imagine cruising the neighborhood and someone shouts "Hey, look! An Oldsmobile sucking a lemon!"

Tog
2007-Jun-06, 07:04 AM
The Scion looks like a big shoe! Everytime I sse one I keep expecting an old lady to step out with all her children...

I have a Scion Xb or xB whatever. I can't be bothered to look that closely. I got it because I needed a car and it was the cheapest on on the lot. I don't like a lot of the stuff about it. On the other hand. It gets about 33-35 mpg on the highway, despite it's shape (which is shared by the Honda Element). What is odd about it is that up to about 60 mph, it's very unstable. It always feels like you're in a crosswind. At 65+ it gets amazingly stable. Yeah, it's ugly, and you could build a scale model out of about 9 legos, but the aerodynamics of the thing aren't as bad as they look like they should be.

Oh, when it rains, the drops on the center of the hood never move. Even at 80+ mph. There is a little triangle on the hood where the air just doesn't seem to move at all.

farmerjumperdon
2007-Jun-06, 04:19 PM
Well, what can I say. I've owned a Pinto, Gremlin, and Volare; and used to use my sister's Vega on occasion. I also had a Pacer.

The Pinto & Vega were OK. You paid very little and got very little.

The Gremlin was a piece of junk, as in not worth the money.

The Pacer was an X model, with a V8. It actually was snappy and handled very well. Ugly yes, other than that it was a lot of car for the cash.

The Volare was an honorable workhorse. Got 225,000 miles out of that slant six. (After which I sold it for $600). Owning that car; which was cheap to buy, easy and cheap to maintain, and got decent mileage; went a long way to me getting on my feet financially after college.

JohnW
2007-Jun-06, 04:25 PM
When I was a kid, we had a Ford Anglia. I win (or lose).