Hollow Moon --- Evidence ?

[7he4uthor]

I'm interested in reports I've read that the moon is hollow, something about NASA recording echoes when it it struck by an object.

Anyone have info on this ?

[Shaula]

Try the Wikipedia page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollow_Moon) - has some good reasons why this is completely false. There is no evidence for it.

[WayneFrancis]

I'm interested in reports I've read that the moon is hollow, something about NASA recording echoes when it it struck by an object.

Anyone have info on this ?

What "reports" would these be?

For others that might be wondering, the moon isn't hollow. There is no known mechanism for a planetary body to be hollow and no evidence that any planetary body is hollow.

[tnjrp]

I'm interested in reports I've read that the moon is hollow, something about NASA recording echoes when it it struck by an objectAh yes, the old "rang like a bell" quote.

Previous discussion on the subject here, with link to yet more previous discussions:
http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php/63540-Who-built-the-moon

[Van Rijn]

I'm interested in reports I've read that the moon is hollow,


The Moon isn't hollow, but there's somebody who'd like you to buy their book saying it is. The various arguments have been discussed repeatedly on BAUT. Some of the arguments try to mislead by bringing up something real, but that don't actually have anything to do with a hollow moon. For instance:



something about NASA recording echoes when it it struck by an object.

Anyone have info on this ?

The real part is this: NASA sent seismometers on the Apollo Moon landings, and they were used on the moon just like seismometers are used on the Earth. Among other things, they recorded the S-IVBs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-IVB) impacting the Moon. One time a measurement was described as being like a ringing bell.

The nonsense is the claim that this suggests the Moon is hollow. NASA did not say that the Moon is hollow, nor did the lunar seismometer readings suggest it.

[Jason Thompson]

This 'ringing like a bell' business is a classic case of the audience not understanding an analogy. At a press conference the seismometer results were discussed, including the surprising length of time the reverberations from an impact kept on going. To give an idea of how surprising these results were, the analogy offered was 'as surprising as striking a bell and then finding it still ringing an hour later'. They did not say it kept on reverberating for an hour. They did not say the Moon rang like a bell. They certainly did not suggest it was a hollow object. Someone among the crowd simply failed to grasp that this was an analogy rather than a description of the actual result. Frustrtingly, it is this misunderstood version of the dialogue that has been remembered rather than the actual meaning.

[Shaula]

I slapped my stomach and it wobbled like a jelly. OMG! I am made of jelly! There must be a huge conspiracy to hide this from me. Probably masterminded by trifle fans who are waiting for me to get large enough to 'harvest'.... I seriously need to hit the gym.

[Solfe]

I think that The Universe TV show used the "rang like a bell" not once but twice in a pair of Moon episodes. I took it to be poetic, like "set my head ringing like a bell".

[JustAFriend]

Might have been the reports of Professor Cavor (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wO9XjCM6tB8) from 1964....

[WayneFrancis]

C I'm right there with ya.

[7he4uthor]

Theres more.
The alleged buildings on the dark side
The way the moon turns to never reveal its hidden side
The nuclear blasts
and even opinions that the moon is manmade [not by men]
why no return to the moon after declarations of valuable metals
why 12 men on the moon

many questions
care to address them ?

[tusenfem]

Theres more.
The alleged buildings on the dark side
The way the moon turns to never reveal its hidden side
The nuclear blasts
and even opinions that the moon is manmade [not by men]
why no return to the moon after declarations of valuable metals
why 12 men on the moon

many questions
care to address them ?


7he4uthor, these are NOT questions, these are statements you make. You should at least show something here that could show that there is actually something here. Just giving some list and say it supports "hollow moon" or whatever, does not jive.


Now taking off my moderator hat:

"alleged buildings on the dark side" --> There is no dark side of the moon, you probably mean "far side of the moon", where are the pics of these buildings?
"The way the moon turns" --> This is called phase locking which is well understood by physics, and which can be seen e.g. also in the Jovian system, the four Galilean moons also have always the same side towards Jupiter.
"The nuclear blasts" --> You are sure you don't mistake Space 1999 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space:_1999) for a documentary instead of a SciFi tv series?
"moon is manmade [not by men]" --> if it is "not by men" it cannot be manmade, unless ... today is international women's day, so it could be made by women.
"why no return ... valuable metals" --> costs, at the moment is costs way too much to go to the moon and mine it compared to what the "valuable metals" will bring in financially
"why 12 men on the moon" --> Costs and public support, more missions were planned, but the general public grew tired of peeps going to the moon, the excitement was gone, okay we can do it, big deal ... The race was won, the Soviet Union was beat.


How about that for addressing it?

[tnjrp]

Theres more.Isn't there always?

Tusenfem already addressed most of these with IMHO quite the sufficient rigour (pending further evidence/clarification)... Also, do see the threads mentioned here (the 2nd post of the thread I linked to earlier) and check if any of your "many questions" have been already addressed in those:
http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php/63540-Who-built-the-moon?p=1050780#post1050780

[Paul Beardsley]

"moon is manmade [not by men]" --> if it is "not by men" it cannot be manmade, unless ... today is international women's day, so it could be made by women.

I believe the word "man" in this context is from the Latin "manus" meaning "hand".

Otherwise I agree with all your points.

[Van Rijn]

I'm tired of unlikely claims based on more unlikely claims. If somebody alleges that the Moon is made of green cheese, supported by somebody's opinion that the milk for the cheese was produced by a giant space cow, should anyone care?

[Jason Thompson]

The alleged buildings on the dark side

Evidence? There is an abundance of imagery of the far side of the Moon, none of which that I have seen show any evidence of 'buildings'.


The way the moon turns to never reveal its hidden side

That's simply an inevitable result of the physics of gravity and tidal interaction. Nearly every moon in the solar system shows the same face to its primary for the same reason.


The nuclear blasts

What nuclear blasts?


and even opinions that the moon is manmade [not by men]

Opinions based on what?


why no return to the moon after declarations of valuable metals

Because the value of the minerals currently does not exceed the cost of getting them out and using them. Simple economics.


why 12 men on the moon

Because of the seven landing missions six landed, and all six carried two men down, and then the money ran out. Is there supposed to be something significant about the number 12?


many questions
care to address them ?

Care to tell us what they are based on in the first place?

[neilzero]

A mark of the woo woo websites is they jump to unlikely conclusions. The alleged buildings on the Moon and Mars likely are not buildings.
Does not show the hidden side is usual behavor for Moons as viewed from their primary.
There is very low probability that nuclear blasts ever occured on the Moon.
Possibly God made the Moon, but it is increadibly improbable that ET made the moon, and even less probable that the Moon is significantly hollow = some tiny voids perhaps.
We probably should not bother to look for a symbolic reason that 12 men walked on the moon. Neil

[Solfe]

Did I say it "set my head ringing like a bell"?

[Centaur]

Theres more.
The alleged buildings on the dark side
The way the moon turns to never reveal its hidden side
The nuclear blasts
and even opinions that the moon is manmade [not by men]
why no return to the moon after declarations of valuable metals
why 12 men on the moon

many questions
care to address them ?

Wow, it appears you have been taking seriously some of the unsupported nonsense on woo woo websites. It's a good thing you came here where reason generally prevails. Others here have provided intelligent responses, so I need say no more.

[slang]

7he4uthor, it would be nice if you could acknowledge the replies you got to your questions, in this and other threads, and some indication whether your questions were answered to your satisfaction, or if more clarification might be needed.

[astromark]

The Moon is hollow. Because somebody has been reported to have said it rings like bell when it has a 'moon quake'

Yes it does and yes it does... but 'NO' it is not ever possible that the Moon is hollow. It's not.

Before 1998 I worked for six years on a coastal sounding research ship. Contracted to a petroleum consortium.

Echo sounding from explosive charges allows a composite image of the rock strata's to be established..

Planet Earth's rock structure when prompted by a gentle charge.. 'Rings like a bell.' Earth is not hollow. End of argument.

[Centaur]

The Moon’s mass was determined long ago by the amount it causes the Earth’s center to wobble during a month relative to the barycenter of the Earth-Moon system. If all of the Moon’s mass were concentrated within a thin surface, the material would be unimaginably dense. Asteroids that caused craters would have blown huge holes in the surface. Together they would have torn the Moon to pieces.

[tnjrp]

This should interest 7he4uthor. It's not a coincidence!
http://www.universetoday.com/94110/why-does-the-man-in-the-moon-face-earth/