Mysterious Object in Austrailia

[Rand45]

So I found a video of this man who lives in Austrailia and is an amateur astronomer he filmed a bright object in the sky surrounded by 3 smaller objects do you know what they are?

[Bobbar]

So I found a video of this man who lives in Austrailia and is an amateur astronomer he filmed a bright object in the sky surrounded by 3 smaller objects do you know what they are?

After careful review of the information you have given us, I'd have to conclude that I don't have a clue!

Perhaps you could elaborate. Like, a lot more.

[chrlzs]

Rand45, how on earth can we help you, when you do not quote what you found, nor give us any reference or link..

In future, please supply all of the following:

1. How you came upon the claim/information.
2. A LINK/REFERENCE to it.
3. A brief summary of the claim, preferably quoting the most important part/s.
4. A summary of your opinion, based on what YOU have done to verify or research the claim.

If you can't do that, I'll happily help you by showing what you should have done (IF you supply the necessary link/reference so we can determine what you are talking about..).

If you don't want to to do any of that, why should I spend my time on something you have put so little effort into?

[Shaula]

Geese

[slang]

Rand45, please answer the questions in your other threads before you start new ones. For example, in the Earth's Core (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php/127815-Earth-s-Core) thread.

[HenrikOlsen]

Niburu flying in formation with Sudbina, Osud and Hukatus.

Or more likely Jupiter with moons.

Assuming it isn't birds or show or a hallucination or a lie or something else.

[molesworth]

Or more likely Jupiter with moons.

I think this would be the most likely answer (although the original description is very vague).

Jupiter has been very bright over the last few months, and has attracted a lot of attention. At the local astronomy club / observatory we've had a lot of questions about what it is, is it a UFO, is it getting closer, why haven't I seen it before etc. etc. A look through a telescope usually dismisses any doubts and gets a lot of "oooh, aaah" responses.

Anyone trying to video it with an ordinary camera on zoom, or a cell phone etc. would likely get a fuzzy blob and some smaller objects "orbiting" it, which sounds like the video Rand45 described.

Jupiter is now fading a bit unfortunately (from an observing point of view) but we now have Venus after sunset to generate the usual questions... :)

[R.A.F.]

So I found a video of this man who lives in Austrailia and is an amateur astronomer...


Well, that "narrows" it down a bit. I'll just google "Man in Australia, who looked up". :)

[Selenite]

So I found a video of this man who lives in Austrailia and is an amateur astronomer he filmed a bright object in the sky surrounded by 3 smaller objects do you know what they are?

The sun surrounded by three clouds? In your breathless description I noticed you didn't bother to mention if it was day or night.

[John Jones]

So I found a video of this man who lives in Austrailia and is an amateur astronomer he filmed a bright object in the sky surrounded by 3 smaller objects do you know what they are?

Link?

[Swift]

Rand45, how on earth can we help you, when you do not quote what you found, nor give us any reference or link..

In future, please supply all of the following:

1. How you came upon the claim/information.
2. A LINK/REFERENCE to it.
3. A brief summary of the claim, preferably quoting the most important part/s.
4. A summary of your opinion, based on what YOU have done to verify or research the claim.

Rand45,

Let me make this official.

Your post is pointless. At a minimum, you have to post a link and a brief description. chrlzs' suggestion is a good one and would be good to follow.

At your next post in this thread you will provide a link or this thread will be closed.

[Rand45]

Okay it was at night and the object was seen near the big dipper the link is here:http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=US#/watch?v=5dfFEcd2U3I see what I mean I've tried to find what star it is but I don't know.

[AtomicDog]

Lens flare.

P.S. The Big Dipper is not visible from Australia.

[Chew]

Clickable link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dfFEcd2U3I

At the beginning of the video some text says, "i can now see the planets with naked eye and its getting extremely bright".

The first thing that should pop into your mind is, "So how come no other astronomer, of the thousands of professional astronomers and the millions of amateur astronomers, are reporting this new naked eye object?" A new naked eye object in the sky would make front page news. The video is lacking in every detail that is necessary for anybody else to find it. Near the Big Dipper? Yeah, thanks, that helps narrow it down. How about some real celestial coordinates? In this day and age of computerized and online sky charts the only reason someone wouldn't provide the exact coordinates is if they are being deceptive.

The Big Dipper is visible from Australia at some time during the year if you live north of 28° S, which includes about half of the continent.

[moog]

Certainly looks like Jupiter.
Hard to tell for certain given the quality and lack of any details.

[AtomicDog]

I was so certain it wasn't visible. My mistake.

[R.A.F.]

Very quick explanation because the game is starting...

Over exposed video of Jupiter, and 3 of it's 4 Galilean satellites.


Ganymede is all by itself on one side of Jupiter...Europa and Callisto are on the other side relative to our viewpoint.

Io, the 4th satellite is so close to Jupiter, on the Ganymede side, that it is lost in the glare mainly because of the over-exposure...

But don't take my "word"...I confirmed the position of the satellites, and it matches exactly the positions on the video....

...nice that the date was provided...made it that much easier.



"Mystery" solved....took me all of about 2 minutes...it took much longer to compose this post...

...game has started...gotta go...

[Swift]

Okay it was at night and the object was seen near the big dipper the link is here:http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=US#/watch?v=5dfFEcd2U3I see what I mean I've tried to find what star it is but I don't know.
Rand45,

You left out a big part of what I asked, which was a brief description, and most significantly that the person making the video wasn't just posting about an unknown object, but was claiming it was Nibiru.

Quite frankly, these threads are getting a little tiresome. Do not post every single crazy astronomy video on Youtube and ask "what is this". In the future, you need to limit yourself to significant videos (you will have to make that judgment) and all such posts will have a proper link, a brief description of what is in the video, and very specific questions from you (or a statement on what you think the video proves). If you do not follow this, you will be infracted. To encourage this, you are getting a "friendly reminder" zero point infraction for this last post.

[Rand45]

So how come he said Jupiter was in the direction of lC1791

[AGN Fuel]

Hang on a second.

I can't see the video as I'm at work, so I am just going off the posts in this thread, but..... an amateur astronomer who (a) doesn't recognise Jupiter in the night sky, and (b) thinks it is currently near the Big Dipper?

If so, this is either this is a deliberate joke/hoax attempt, or he is 'an astronomer' only insofar as he knows how to go outside at night and look up. :confused:

[Chew]

So how come he said Jupiter was in the direction of lC1791


Because he looked it up in some planetarium program.

He is basing his claim it is not Jupiter on the fact that Jupiter should be in alignment with IC 1791 and he cannot see IC 1791 so therefore it is not Jupiter but he is completely oblivious to the fact that IC 1791 is a very faint diffuse galaxy that is not capable of being picked up by his camera. He is attempting the "process of elimination" but screwed it up.

[R.A.F.]

So how come he said Jupiter was in the direction of lC1791

Are we supposed to "guess" at what his motives are for being deceptive?

[Chew]

Hang on a second.

I can't see the video as I'm at work, so I am just going off the posts in this thread, but..... an amateur astronomer who (a) doesn't recognise Jupiter in the night sky, and (b) thinks it is currently near the Big Dipper?

He is claiming it is not Jupiter because it is near the Big Dipper. But all other signs point to it being Jupiter (it is not a point source, you can see the disc; the Galilean moons are where they should be given the date and time of the video).

[Chew]

Screencap for those poor souls at work.

http://i.imgur.com/DpZrR.jpg

[AGN Fuel]

I'll watch this video when I get home, because this makes even less sense to me. Why would you identify the position of a planet like Jupiter by referencing it to a fairly obscure mag 15 galaxy, but talk about this mystery object as being "near the Big Dipper". If you knew the sky that well, I would have thought you would just say "Jupiter is way over in Aries, it's not that!"

I know that's a bit of an "If I ran the Zoo" fallacy, but it just seems an odd reference to make.

[AGN Fuel]

Thanks for the screen shots, Chew. Appreciate that!

Certainly does look like Jupiter & three Galillean moons and it's easy enough to confirm the positions of those moons given the time/date and assuming Australian Eastern Standard Time (which R.A.F. has helpfully done).

So I suppose one question remains then - why say it was near the Big Dipper?

[R.A.F.]

The first words in the video "description" are, THIS IS NOT JUPITER.

..which is what I would expect from someone trying to "pass off" Jupiter as if it were some, mysterious, unknown object.

[AGN Fuel]

Hmmmm - the gentleman must have set his camera's date/time for UT, as the moon positions are consistent with their position at that time per UT, but they are NOT consistent with AEST.

But then THAT doesn't make sense either. 20/10/2011 01:47:12 UT would be almost 1pm AEST. Obviously no way he could have taken that image at that time UT in Australia.

[Chew]

Hmmmm - the gentleman must have set his camera's date/time for UT, as the moon positions are consistent with their position at that time per UT, but they are NOT consistent with AEST.

But then THAT doesn't make sense either. 20/10/2011 01:47:12 UT would be almost 1pm AEST. Obviously no way he could have taken that image at that time UT in Australia.

What program are you using?

The YouTuber has a bunch of kooky videos up (UFO, 9/11, chemtrails, reptilians!). In one video he filmed a UFO near Williamtown Air Force Base (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAAF_Base_Williamtown) in NSW. Assuming the video in question was filmed in the same location then we have an approximate location on Earth.

Io and Europa are right on top of each other at that time so they could appear as one moon in the fuzzy video. This is a screencap of Stellarium for that time and location: http://i.imgur.com/bx09C.png Local vertical is at the top. The orientation of the moons matches the video.

I adjusted my computer to that time zone. Stupid Stellarium.

[Chew]

And, oh yeah, the Big Dipper was well below the horizon at that time. Dubhe, the star closest to the horizon at that time, was 45° below the horizon. The first star in the Big Dipper to rise above the horizon would not rise until 0900, about 3 hours after sunrise. The last star in the Big Dipper sets at around 1555. So the Big Dipper was never visible during the night time at that time of year.

To be fair, the kook did say "near" but being off 45° for a self-proclaimed amateur astronomer??? No way.

Also, at 9 minutes the camera is stationary for short periods and the object slowly drifts left and slightly downward. That is consistent with Jupiter's motion during that time (Az 350°, Alt 45°). If it were near the Big Dipper (which would rise to the right of the north horizon) it would drift up and left at equal amounts (i.e. at a 45° angle).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dfFEcd2U3I

[chrlzs]

Just for the record, rand45, I'm always willing to help those who show signs of learning and willingness to research. Research does not include using a youtube video as your sole reference. It also does not include using bits of content of the very same video as some sort of evidence. I see by your other threads that you have been given plenty of advice about this, none of which you appear to have taken.

In light of that and seeing you barely answered any of the key questions I posed above, in particular the first one about how you stumbled upon this.. I for one won't be clicking on your threads again.

[NEOWatcher]

So how come he said Jupiter was in the direction of lC1791
Who cares what a random youtube person says?
1. We have no clue which direction it is because there is no discernable reference in the video.
2. He said the government is covering it up? That's the automatic NO-NO in my book. If the government is covering it up, then EVERY GOVERNMENT IN THE WORLD would have to cover it up, and silence EVERY SCIENTIFIC AND SCHOLASTIC INSTITUTION in the world.

[HenrikOlsen]

So how come he said Jupiter was in the direction of lC1791
Because he's an idiot with an agenda?

[AGN Fuel]

OK - I gave this five minutes of my life (that I won't get back) before my brain started to implode.

I'll ignore the fact that every second sentence is wild and utterly unsupported speculation, and instead just point out that I live 60km south of Newcastle (NSW) where this is supposed to have been filmed. The Big Dipper cannot be seen from this southern latitude.

However, if I give this guy the benefit of the doubt and assume that he hasn't video'd his next door neighbour's porch light, then Jupiter in October last year was not too far from Pegasus, which I suppose has a vaguely dipper-ish appearance and is just visible in the low Northern sky. The reference to IC1791 is just nonsense to try and give the babble some kind of stamp of authority.

[sts60]

Rand45, do you acknowledge that this idiot video you linked to is all wrong?

And will you do anything different before starting another thread about some crackpot's video or website?

[R.A.F.]

Rand45, do you acknowledge that this idiot video you linked to is all wrong?

Good question, one I would like to see the answer to......

[loglo]

OK - I gave this five minutes of my life (that I won't get back) before my brain started to implode.

I'll ignore the fact that every second sentence is wild and utterly unsupported speculation, and instead just point out that I live 60km south of Newcastle (NSW) where this is supposed to have been filmed. The Big Dipper cannot be seen from this southern latitude.

However, if I give this guy the benefit of the doubt and assume that he hasn't video'd his next door neighbour's porch light, then Jupiter in October last year was not too far from Pegasus, which I suppose has a vaguely dipper-ish appearance and is just visible in the low Northern sky. The reference to IC1791 is just nonsense to try and give the babble some kind of stamp of authority.

One of the southern constellations is colloquially known as the Big Dipper, at least that is what my mum called it. Quite possibly Pegasus but it has been a while.

[AGN Fuel]

One of the southern constellations is colloquially known as the Big Dipper, at least that is what my mum called it. Quite possibly Pegasus but it has been a while.

A fellow coastie! How bad has the weather been?? :)

I worked for a number of years at the public-access observatory at Koolang (out near Bucketty). During that time, I occasionally heard quite a number of layfolk visitors describe that well-known asterism in Orion (the 'Saucepan') as 'The Dipper'. However, I thought that Jupiter at that time was closer to Pegasus than Orion which is why I mentioned it. Still, the rest of the video is such nonsense that trying to interpret his meaning is difficult - he really could have been talking about anything!

[brilongstaff]

from phil's twitter feed:

http://yfrog.com/ki738mmj

[loglo]

A fellow coastie! How bad has the weather been?? :)

I worked for a number of years at the public-access observatory at Koolang (out near Bucketty). During that time, I occasionally heard quite a number of layfolk visitors describe that well-known asterism in Orion (the 'Saucepan') as 'The Dipper'. However, I thought that Jupiter at that time was closer to Pegasus than Orion which is why I mentioned it. Still, the rest of the video is such nonsense that trying to interpret his meaning is difficult - he really could have been talking about anything!

Bad weather? You mean air isn't meant to be wet all the time? :)

I agree about the video but this thread hasn't been a total loss.. I just discovered I have a local public observatory! Woohoo.

[loglo]

from phil's twitter feed:

http://yfrog.com/ki738mmj

Yeah that's it. Nice find brilongstaff!