Wes Penre/Annunaki

[aliensdidit]

Has anybody heard of this guy? He tres to write web articles in the style of Scientific journals. I came acorss them in a web page that seems to show a collection of them divided into characters. Its basically the Annunaki potrayed by Stitchen, but a lot more weirder and much more research gone into them.

http://wespenre.com/site-map.htm

It has everything, Nibiru, Marduk, aliens, pleadians, Wingmakers, and groups that most people don't know about them. One of them you can find, they call themselves the Life Physics group (website here - http://lifephysicsgroup.org/) that claim they have proof of Annunaki living on the earth. Then there is a suppose group called S.A.A.L.M, that really control the strings and are waiting for Marduk to return to take control of the earth.

Then you have somone called Supriem Rockefeller who claims he has the DNA of the Annunaki and wants to take over the world to create peace, and a group called the Thule society who have a vril machine that activates a triple helix that will give you advance psychic powers. They also want to open a Stargate to let the Annunaki out.

All of the above are explained in these two articles:
http://wespenre.com/marduk-issue-and-the-earth-bound-anunnaki.htm
http://www.wespenre.com/new-revelations-on-wingmakers.htm

All claims are referenced so you can go back to the original source.

And just to confirm it, this Wes Penre really is buying into this Annunaki/Marduk business and thinks that there will be a great war where the Earth will have a new ruler: http://battleofearth.wordpress.com/2011/10/18/authentic-message-from-the-king-of-the-anunnaki-please-read/ 9He says he was contacted by one of the annunaki, somehow).

[aliensdidit]

A lot more info of the Life Physics group, and its leader, can be founded here: http://wespenre.com/discussing-anunnaki-papers.htm

[Shaula]

So. More "He says". Do these convince you? What analysis have you done to validate the data he is presenting? What other independent sources have you got that agree? Basically - is this another "I read this and I believe it"

You have had a lot of leeway as a new poster but for me, at least, now is the time to start treating you as I would any other poster on here. Are you defending his website? Are you advocating his theory and are you willing to defend it here (not via links)? If yes then more questions will be forthcoming.

[slang]

OOooooh... a "donations" page. What a surprise! :rolleyes:

[grapes]

All claims are referenced so you can go back to the original source.
The original source of what, though? The links at the bottom of the first article are just more of the same, it seems.

ETA: proof (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php/123601-Wes-Penre-Annunaki?p=1954159#post1954159)

[tusenfem]

Then there is a suppose group called S.A.A.L.M, that really control the strings and are waiting for Marduk to return to take control of the earth.


Are you sure you don't mean HAARP



Then you have somone called Supriem Rockefeller who claims he has the DNA of the Annunaki and wants to take over the world to create peace, and a group called the Thule society who have a vril machine that activates a triple helix that will give you advance psychic powers. They also want to open a Stargate to let the Annunaki out.


all your base are belong to us



And just to confirm it, this Wes Penre really is buying into this Annunaki/Marduk business ...


So he is an idiot, who cares. why should you buy it too?

It's friday night, get out of the house!

Oh and to add, from this guy's page:



Some 4000+ years ago, the majority of the Anunnaki left Earth after had nuked the Sinai Spaceport and Sodom and Gomorrah. Marduk, however, who was Ea's eldest son, stayed on Earth with some of his loyal Lords.

Marduk, in the past, married a human female (a crossbreed between Anunnaki and homo erectus), and was therefore forbidden to return to Nibiru;


One would think that we would find major residuals of this nuking of the spaceport and Sodom and Gomorra.

Homo Erectus lived 1.6 to 1.8 MILLION years ago, this Marduk makes Methusalem look like a youngster!

This reads like bad scifi, do I hear an echo sound Hubbbbbaaaaaahhhhhrrrrtttttttttt ???

[Strange]

All claims are referenced so you can go back to the original source.

And have you done this? And did those provide sources? Normally this kind of craziness is completely circular and self-referential. One person puts up a website, someone else references it in his book, another references the book in his DumbTube video, and then the original website uses all those as confirmation that all this made up stuff is True.


And just to confirm it...

Confirm what? That Penre is a fool or a con-artist?

Here, as you like getting lost in a maze of web pages about fascinating nonsense:

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Annunaki
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Nibiru
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Pleiadians
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Time_Cube
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Dr._Bronner%27s_Soap

[Paul Beardsley]

It's friday night, get out of the house!

This should be in red. And probably not just directed at the OP. ;)

[aliensdidit]

So. More "He says". Do these convince you? What analysis have you done to validate the data he is presenting? What other independent sources have you got that agree? Basically - is this another "I read this and I believe it"

You have had a lot of leeway as a new poster but for me, at least, now is the time to start treating you as I would any other poster on here. Are you defending his website? Are you advocating his theory and are you willing to defend it here (not via links)? If yes then more questions will be forthcoming.

Well its quite strange on how all of these groups seem to collaborate with each other. Mainly the Life Physics group that (said multiple times) has written journals (that are referenced) on all of this by its leader - Dr. A.R. Bordon (you can find some of his work), who gives a weird insight into his life and his current work.

[grapes]

And have you done this? And did those provide sources? Normally this kind of craziness is completely circular and self-referential. One person puts up a website, someone else references it in his book, another references the book in his DumbTube video, and then the original website uses all those as confirmation that all this made up stuff is True.
And here's proof (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php/123601-Wes-Penre-Annunaki?p=1954148#post1954148).

[NEOWatcher]

Well its quite strange on how all of these groups seem to collaborate with each other...
You know what they say... Birds of a feather flock together.

That's why big box stores build next to each other. If a customer comes to one, then the other is out to get thier business.

[Noclevername]

Yet another collection of links to more whacky websites with exceptionally ludicrous claims?

Seems to me I've seen this show before.

I'll say it one more time before I quit: aliensdidit, please stop! You keep asking for help, you got good advice, now you just have to follow it.

[Strange]

Well its quite strange on how all of these groups seem to collaborate with each other.

Not really. It seems to be part of the same mental ... characteristic ... that if you believe one conspiracy theory, you will probably believe them all.

After all, if you think Apollo was a hoax, then you end up having to admit that the whole Cold War was faked as well ... and the Royal Family are actually lizards in which case ... all of European history is wrong and ... and so, gentlemen, we can conclude that our reality is actually a delusion perpetrated by the lizard race we call Altanteans.

(See how easy it is? Now, where is the key for my Stargate, I need to go home.)

[aliensdidit]

Alright alright, its just its all so whacky but I need to show you more detail on what this guy writes up, and these weird groups like the Life Physics group, I mean here is an extreat from one of his essays that apparently gives proof of the annunaki on Earth :


This quote, with the next post, was almost all (over 3100 words) of the text, none of the illustrations, from section 8, 8. The Earth-Bound Anunnaki: How They Look Like and Their Whereabouts (http://wespenre.com/marduk-issue-and-the-earth-bound-anunnaki.htm)

Cont...

[Stubby Boardman]

What response to you expect to get to that, here, other than, "The crazy! It burns!"

I'm serious. Why do you keep doing this? Why do you think this is doing you or anyone else any good?

[aliensdidit]

See Section 8 of the link below

http://wespenre.com/marduk-issue-and-the-earth-bound-anunnaki.htm

So the LPG-C, S.A.A.L.M, and the Wingmakers are all connected. the photos had external sources looking at them for validity and an apparent smear campaign by the S.A.A.L.M to taint the photos.

[Noclevername]

Alright alright, its just its all so whacky but I need to show you more detail ...

No. No, you don't. It's just nonsense.

[aliensdidit]

Becuase there seems to be many external sources that connect to all of this. Without me posting loads of links, googling these names does bring up connections and more craziness.

[Noclevername]

Without me posting loads of links, googling these names does bring up connections and more craziness.

I, for one, have enough craziness in my own life, I have no interest in vicariously absorbing someone else's craziness.

[NEOWatcher]

Becuase there seems to be many external sources that connect to all of this. Without me posting loads of links, googling these names does bring up connections and more craziness.
So what?

We know that following crazy links on crazy sites brings up all sorts of other crazy stuff. We know that... it's the nature of the internet.
As one saying goes "it's a gift and a curse". Being able to follow related stuff can be a good thing, but in this case it is not.

We don't need any examples or reinforcement of that idea. It's garbage.

[Gillianren]

Becuase there seems to be many external sources that connect to all of this. Without me posting loads of links, googling these names does bring up connections and more craziness.

Direct question--so what? How reliable are those external sources? How much effort have you put into critical examination of these claims? Are you not aware that the operative word is "craziness"?

[redshifter]

Becuase there seems to be many external sources that connect to all of this. Without me posting loads of links, googling these names does bring up connections and more craziness.

But it's still craziness. Heck, craziness might be too generous of a term to describe this....stuff.

You posted a while back describing concerns about being away from home at college, not having a social life, etc. Well, spending time at nonsense site like the ones you're linking to is probably not conducive to having much of a social life in college. Get out and meet people! Do stuff! Have fun!

[Paul Beardsley]

I need to show you more detail on what this guy writes up

No you do not.

(Noclevername said it already but there's no harm in reinforcing it.)

[aliensdidit]

But if you google things like S.A.A.L.M, Wingmakers, Life Physics group California, Supriem Rockefeller, Pine Gap, its all out there.

Also a German guy has possted more top secret informmation on the S.A.A.L.M group - http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message636843/pg1

[Paul Beardsley]

But if you google things like S.A.A.L.M, Wingmakers, Life Physics group California, Supriem Rockefeller, Pine Gap, its all out there.

SO WHAT???

[Noclevername]

And if you STOP Googling those things, you don't have to worry about it! You can occupy your mind with useful, or at least accurate information.

[aliensdidit]

Look, the leader of the LPG-C has released sciience journals that can be viewd on scrib, if anyone is interested. http://www.scribd.com/doc/24012215/A-R-Bordon-THE-LINK-Chapters-1-9

[Noclevername]

No one is interested.

[Shaula]

There is nothing that even approximates evidence in anything you have posted. All you are showing is that people can write whatever they like. And that there are communities online who believe each other and echo each other. If you honestly think anything you have shown here is even close to evidence then you need to do some serious research into research methods.

[tusenfem]

http://wespenre.com/marduk-issue-and-the-earth-bound-anunnaki.htm

So the LPG-C, S.A.A.L.M, and the Wingmakers are all connected. the photos had external sources looking at them for validity and an apparent smear campaign by the S.A.A.L.M to taint the photos.

As are connected the Jews, the free masons, the Jesuits, the protestants, ...

Please read Umberto Eco, it is much much better literature that this third rate scifi.

[Strange]

But if you google things like S.A.A.L.M, Wingmakers, Life Physics group California, Supriem Rockefeller, Pine Gap, its all out there.

and if you google santa clause or harry potter?

[tusenfem]

Look, the leader of the LPG-C has released sciience journals that can be viewd on scrib, if anyone is interested. http://www.scribd.com/doc/24012215/A-R-Bordon-THE-LINK-Chapters-1-9

That is NOT a science journal it is a book by Bordon. Any idiot can publish a book these days, it does not mean that it has gone through thorough scrutiny in a real scientific way.

[aliensdidit]

What does that mean? The leader of the Life Physics group has even written a journal on everything... http://www.scribd.com/doc/24012215/A-R-Bordon-THE-LINK-Chapters-1-9, this and others are what Wes Penre is linking to.

Here is the background of the writer:


A. R. Bordon is a retired itinerant scientist, traveling the roads of America in search of people talented in extended human functions. He is a former deputy director of a corporate research centre, former executive director of the American Association of Remote Viewers, and contributing writer to a couple of blogs, one Spanish language website and a Portuguese (Brazilian) website. He is also author of FIREBALL, a science fiction novel, and of over twenty-five screenplays and teleplays. In the early 90s, he was also instrumental in the formation of a scientific cooperative that does research in extended human functions, interface with extraterrestrials, and other anomalies. Since his retirement in 2001, he has devoted himself full time to writing, as editor of Foundation Reports in Life Physics, LINK — and is travelling the USA.

http://archive.feedblitz.com/715643/~4051378

[Noclevername]

That's it, I'm tired of trying. This will be my last post to aliensdidit. You have a problem. Get some help.

[tusenfem]

What does that mean? The leader of the Life Physics group has even written a journal on everything... http://www.scribd.com/doc/24012215/A-R-Bordon-THE-LINK-Chapters-1-9, this and others are what Wes Penre is linking to.


aliensdidit STOP linking to all these sites multiple times.
I am getting the idea that you are a troll and not a new student at university.
If you believe on face value all these claims you do not belong on university.
However, it looks like this is more a scam to get hits on woo sites.

[aliensdidit]

But this is important, this might be animportant discovery.

[NEOWatcher]

But if you google things like S.A.A.L.M, Wingmakers, Life Physics group California, Supriem Rockefeller, Pine Gap, its all out there.
Of course we know that. We just don't google garbage.


But this is important...
Not to us...

, this might be animportant discovery.
If it were a discovery, yes. But; history has shown it's a concoction rather than a discovery.

By the way. How is any of this a space related conspiracy?

[aliensdidit]

It has to do with the whole Annunaki and them being aliens who communicate with the earth, gets more confusing when you add the Wingmakers bit in.

By the way, I manage to find more info.

A.R.Bordon is the pen name of a real person--a screenwriter and scientist who's worked in R&D most of his life, and is currently researching and developing a new science on the West Coast. He lives at the edge of the grid and is an active participant in the exo-political dialogue in the United States and the world. He has been a field project manager and interface engineer for multiple ongoing projects that don't exist for the past decade. He is still subject to a stack of CFR parts and chapters. To quote him, "I won't say that I live off-the-grid, but I am invisible--that is, only those who need to know who and where I am will; to the rest of the world, I don't exist. And I intend to keep it that way." Thus, the need for this pen name.

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1022060/pg1

[bassguy61]

Important to whom? The guy with the donations page that simply wants your money? With the speed that you post these links, you can't possibly be doing any amount of independent research to see if the claims have any validity. If you spent as much time searching the topic here, you'd most likely find a wealth of solid, scientific information showing this all to be bunk.

[tusenfem]

a screenwriter and


http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1022060/pg1

Ah godlike, another very trustworthy place to find information!

[Gillianren]

Let me repeat this.


Direct question--so what? How reliable are those external sources? How much effort have you put into critical examination of these claims? Are you not aware that the operative word is "craziness"?

[Strange]

But this is important

How do you know? You haven't shown any ability to evaluate evidence. It might be nonsense. No, hang on, it is nonsense.

Have you actually read and, more importantly, thought about any of the responses you have got here? I doubt it as you clearly aren't thinking about any of the other stuff you read. I am curious why you accept all that tosh as True but just discount any contrary views...

[Space Chimp]

But this is important, this might be animportant discovery.

Anything you "discover" on the internet was discovered and exploited to non existance long ago.

[NEOWatcher]

By the way, I manage to find more info.

And once again you post more garbage without giving any of your own meaningful input or discussion.

I asked on my first post: SO WHAT?
And I don't want some vague answer like "it's important" or "interesting" or anything that doesn't indicate any of your own insight.

[Buttercup]

Never heard of this author.

Must say, though, I've found Sitchin's books interesting.

And that's all I will say, because I've gotten into trouble with Mods before. :silenced: :neutral:

[LaurelHS]

He has been a field project manager and interface engineer for multiple ongoing projects that don't exist for the past decade. He is still subject to a stack of CFR parts and chapters. To quote him, "I won't say that I live off-the-grid, but I am invisible--that is, only those who need to know who and where I am will; to the rest of the world, I don't exist. And I intend to keep it that way." Thus, the need for this pen name.

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1022060/pg1
Aliensdidit, do you remember what JayUtah said in the thread about Dr. Carol Rosin (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php/123112-Dr.-Carol-Rosin-and-the-staged-aliien-invasion-theory/page2)? Let me remind you.

Charlatans set up elaborate nonsense scenarios to explain why only they can know or have done what they claim. You need to look for claims that seem contrived to be unverifiable.

[Strange]

He is still subject to a stack of CFR parts and chapters.

I have no idea what that means.



To quote him, "I won't say that I live off-the-grid, but I am invisible--that is, only those who need to know who and where I am will; to the rest of the world, I don't exist. And I intend to keep it that way." Thus, the need for this pen name.

And yet he is on the 'net. It would take The Authorities about 10 minutes to find out who he really was. If they cared. I'm sure any semi-competent hacker could do it just as easily. They guy sounds like a fraud, just from this short quote.

[Garrison]

But if you google things like S.A.A.L.M, Wingmakers, Life Physics group California, Supriem Rockefeller, Pine Gap, its all out there.

Also a German guy has possted more top secret informmation on the S.A.A.L.M group - http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message636843/pg1

Here's the thing if you take a book like say The DaVinci Code and Google a number of the people and places mentioned in it you will find they are also 'out there'. Does that mean the book is recounting a true story? No it simply means the author put them in to lend some authenticity to his made up story, as I believe the author of your latest fairy story has also done. You keep starting these threads asking for the opinions of other posters, is there any chance you are actually going to listen to those opinions?

[slang]

But if you google things like S.A.A.L.M, Wingmakers, Life Physics group California, Supriem Rockefeller, Pine Gap, its all out there.

Try searching for things like Atuin, Vimes, Rincewind, Lancre, Detritus and Librarian. You'll find lots of websites and groups, all interconnected, all working on the same mythical topics, the same strange ideas, the same ATM underpinings... but a lot more entertaining!

[aliensdidit]

Ah godlike, another very trustworthy place to find information!

Please go easy. Unlike the other stuff, its like a real conspiracy has been unearthed... hear me out:

I know I will get in trouble for posting another link, but this essay by Wes Penre just seems to explain all, S.A.A.L.M, Supriem Rockefeller, James Coultbert (I think thats his name), Leo Zagami, Supriem Rockefeler. The emails he recieves, sends or is shown just make it sound like there is a network of individuals. I can't think of a rational explanaition to any of this.
http://www.wespenre.com/new-revelations-on-wingmakers.htm

And he documents all, so its not just speculation. It maakes David Anderson seem like a nobody.

[aliensdidit]

I have no idea what that means.




And yet he is on the 'net. It would take The Authorities about 10 minutes to find out who he really was. If they cared. I'm sure any semi-competent hacker could do it just as easily. They guy sounds like a fraud, just from this short quote.

How the heck does that compare?

[Grashtel]

But this is important, this might be animportant discovery.
I would recommend going to Equestria Daily (http://www.equestriadaily.com/) and watching all the episodes from both series of "My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic" then reading all the fanfic there too, its considerably more likely to contain important discoveries than all the conspiracy [male bovine digestive byproduct] that you keep posting here and is also much less stressful (well unless you notice Pinkie watching you, but don't worry she just wants to have fun).

[tusenfem]

Please go easy. Unlike the other stuff, its like a real conspiracy has been unearthed... hear me out:

I know I will get in trouble for posting another link, but this essay by Wes Penre just seems to explain all, S.A.A.L.M, Supriem Rockefeller, James Coultbert (I think thats his name), Leo Zagami, Supriem Rockefeler. The emails he recieves, sends or is shown just make it sound like there is a network of individuals. I can't think of a rational explanaition to any of this.
http://www.wespenre.com/new-revelations-on-wingmakers.htm

And he documents all, so its not just speculation. It maakes David Anderson seem like a nobody.

Why not send all those people you believe an email: "I believe you, I want to become a member!"
Then you will get to know everything, and we get some rest.

[Paul Beardsley]

hear me out

No. Goodbye.

[Strange]

How the hell does that compare?

What? How does what compare to what?

I was just pointing out that his claims of being "hidden" are either a delusion or an outright lie. Which do you think it is?

Seriously, think about it. Nor really, stop for about 10 seconds and think.

How could anyone keep their identity secret and yet post stuff on the web?

[Luckmeister]

Please go easy. Unlike the other stuff, its like a real conspiracy has been unearthed... hear me out:

Please go easy? Posters here have been going very easy on you, considering the content of your posts. Most have patiently tried to help you, which you have chosen to ignore.

Since you have shown you have no credibility, I stopped visiting your links threads ago and will now stop reading your posts.

[Van Rijn]

hear me out:


I will when you start answering pending questions and enter real discussion.


I have no interest in these links, though.

[aliensdidit]

Why not send all those people you believe an email: "I believe you, I want to become a member!"
Then you will get to know everything, and we get some rest.

I don't want to join anything, I don't waant to be true, but I don't know what to think. I mean the life physics groupes in California is bad ebough but the way it all connects to this is just creepy.

[ZappBrannigan]

I really, really want to believe that Aliensdidit is just a troll. Just thinking that he/she might be serious has left a serious dent in my faith in Humanity.

[aliensdidit]

I will when you start answering pending questions and enter real discussion.


I have no interest in these links, though.

What impending questions?

[aliensdidit]

I really, really want to believe that Aliensdidit is just a troll. Just thinking that he/she might be serious has left a serious dent in my faith in Humanity.

I am being flipping serious!!!! If you actually read all of this you woulod not exactly what is going on.

[Strange]

And he documents all, so its not just speculation.

Ah right. If it is written down, it must be true? Here you go: http://aliensdidit.wordpress.com/

[Shaula]

I can't think of a rational explanaition to any of this.
Really?

OK.
Hypothesis 1: There are alien human hybrids, mind controlling technologies, multi-stranded DNA masters who are controlling everything. They are secretive and powerful. Yet unable to stop these people writing about them. And in the habit of leaving bits of evidence lying around. Said bits of evidence are conclusive but never produced due to some strange circumstance. The newspapers, governments, universities and all other institutions have found no evidence or anything. Presumably because they are all under the sway of said evil masterminds.
Hypothesis 2: The people making these claims profit from them and so make stuff up to sell books/DVDs/Journals/Speaking opportunities/web hits (advertising).

You really think 1) is better than 2)?

You really could not think up 2) yourself or don't think that it is rational?

Go away and study how to study. Seriously. If you presented evidence this strong as part of an academic report or project you would be laughed out of the institution. You learn better filtering skills than you are showing here at GCSE level.

Edit: I see the argument is still bubbling on. So I will add this. I am not going to reply to anything more until you start addressing the questions about your assessment of the evidence you are presenting and defending. A few more posts ignoring this and I am not reading anything you put up either. It is starting to look like you need the attention or something. And I am not going to be a part of that. You have been offered help, offered advice and you have ignored it all.

[Strange]

What impending questions?

You have been asked lots of questions, which you just ignore.

Just one recent example:


What? How does what compare to what?

I was just pointing out that his claims of being "hidden" are either a delusion or an outright lie. Which do you think it is?

Seriously, think about it. Nor really, stop for about 10 seconds and think.

How could anyone keep their identity secret and yet post stuff on the web?

And:

Direct question--so what? How reliable are those external sources? How much effort have you put into critical examination of these claims? Are you not aware that the operative word is "craziness"?

And:

and if you google santa clause or harry potter?

And:

How do you know? ...

Have you actually read and, more importantly, thought about any of the responses you have got here?

And:

Here's the thing if you take a book like say The DaVinci Code and Google a number of the people and places mentioned in it you will find they are also 'out there'. Does that mean the book is recounting a true story? No it simply means the author put them in to lend some authenticity to his made up story, as I believe the author of your latest fairy story has also done. You keep starting these threads asking for the opinions of other posters, is there any chance you are actually going to listen to those opinions?

And on and on.

[Strange]

If you actually read all of this you woulod not exactly what is going on.

Why would anyone read it when it is quite obviously nonsense of the highest order?
What reason is there for anyone to take any of it seriously, apart from the fact that there is a lot of it?
(More questions for you to ignore)

[Strange]

Here's the thing if you take a book like say The DaVinci Code and Google a number of the people and places mentioned in it you will find they are also 'out there'. Does that mean the book is recounting a true story?

Merely corroborative detail, intended to give artistic verisimilitude to an otherwise bald and unconvincing narrative.

Hey, and guess what, if you google those words they are all over teh Intuhwebz!!!!! Spopoky!

[Van Rijn]

What impending questions?

Read the thread! Here's one example (but NOT the only example):


Direct question--so what? How reliable are those external sources? How much effort have you put into critical examination of these claims? Are you not aware that the operative word is "craziness"?

These are very similar to questions I asked in another thread. Questions that you also didn't answer.

People have been trying to engage you in conversation and ask questions for some time, but you just keep linking more ridiculous stuff instead.

[LaurelHS]

I am being flipping serious!!!! If you actually read all of this you woulod not exactly what is going on.
"Woulod not exactly what is going on"? If you're so serious, why don't you make an effort to post in a more coherent manner?

[aliensdidit]

Sorry, its just that like always it hits me like a ton of bricks and I panick. You may think that the whole idea of the annunaki things is fantasy and maybe it is. I guess its the whole S.A.A.L.M, that especially does it. I'm trying to present everything but everything is so messed up that I don't know how to lay it out.

[Strange]

Sorry, its just that like always it hits me like a ton of bricks and I panick. You may think that the whole idea of the annunaki things is fantasy and maybe it is. I guess its the whole S.A.A.L.M, that especially does it. I'm trying to present everything but everything is so messed up that I don't know how to lay it out.

Engage brain. Think.

How could it be true?

stop posting. stop reading. Start THINKING for goodness sake.

Make a serious attempt to answer one question posted here, by anyone. That will require you to stop and think about what you are saying.

[LaurelHS]

Sorry, its just that like always it hits me like a ton of bricks and I panick.
Then why do you keep looking at sites like this (and insisting that the rest of us look at them)? You know how it affects you, why not look at something less panic-inducing?

[Strange]

Then why do you keep looking at sites like this (and ordering us to look at them)? You know how it affects you, why not look at something less panic-inducing?

Good suggestion: Cute Puppies and Kittens (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bj_B4QfuIN0) - a lot more insightful and intelligent than most of the things aliensdidit has watched on YouTube, I bet. And it links to lots more similar stuff OMG!!!!11!!

[aliensdidit]

I was just about to flee frm this all. It was that I started to get a bit anxious about the Thule order thing again, I went on the Wes Penre blog to tell myself that it was all stupid, but then I realised what other papers were surrounding it, and that is where I saw the whole S.A.A.L.M/LPG-C/Wingmakers. Everthing. It always happens. And now I feel like I've unearthed a great conspiracy by reading Wes' papers and essays.

Hell even people like Michael Lee Hil are claimingg to have been threatened by S.A.A.L.M - http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message996126/pg1. And when you look at how it all connects in Wes' essays, it just feels uncomfortably weird.

By the way, I cam across the suppossdly leaked documents James leaked that have been dstored, it includes emails and everything:

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/SAALM01.pdf

[LaurelHS]

Even a fringe site like GLP has a disclaimer. Have you read it? Do you understand why people here are skeptical when it comes to claims from that site?
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/copyright

[slang]

Are you Wes Penre?

[aliensdidit]

No I'm not flipping Wes Penre, if I was do you think I would be posting like this?

[pzkpfw]

No I'm not flipping Wes Penre, if I was do you think I would be posting like this?

The issue is that you do not attempt to discuss any of this.

All you do is post links and extracts of other peoples' claims, and then state that there's so much of it all that it has you scared.

You ask for help but seem to make zero attempt to accept any help that is offered, by level-headed people.

So - you give all the appearance of someone who claims to want to discuss these issues, while instead really just wanting to advertise your links.

When will you start actually discussing these claims?

[LaurelHS]

By the way, I cam across the suppossdly leaked documents James leaked that have been dstored, it includes emails and everything:

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/SAALM01.pdf
I was browsing in the horror section of my local library the other day and I found a book called Blair Witch: Book Of Shadows that was full of e-mails and news reports and journal entries and interview transcripts dealing with the characters and events in the 2000 movie. Should I believe that the movie is true based on this?

[aliensdidit]

But that was intended to be fiction... these people are being serious.

[Gillianren]

Hell even people like Michael Lee Hil are claimingg to have been threatened by S.A.A.L.M . . . .

I have no idea who that is or why I should care. Besides, people can claim all sorts of things. Beyond their own words, what evidence have you seen? And that is a direct question under the rules of the board.

[aliensdidit]

The issue is that you do not attempt to discuss any of this.

All you do is post links and extracts of other peoples' claims, and then state that there's so much of it all that it has you scared.

You ask for help but seem to make zero attempt to accept any help that is offered, by level-headed people.

So - you give all the appearance of someone who claims to want to discuss these issues, while instead really just wanting to advertise your links.

When will you start actually discussing these claims?

But the advice is not actually tacking these things in detail, no one actually bothers to look at the links (ever) and show me why all of these things are silly one by one.

How can I dicuss these claims, its a stream of consciousness nightmare for me, I'm posting these things as soon as I seem them becuase I keep wondering whats coming next. I can't provide the evidence, its whats Wes Penre is recording in his essays. That means linking to externall sources that he has worked with, which just adds to it all.

So excuse me for posting in that manner when people do sod all...

[Strange]

But that was intended to be fiction... these people are being serious.

are they? how do you know that? will you ignore these questions?

[LaurelHS]

How can I dicuss these claims, its a stream of consciousness nightmare for me, I'm posting these things as soon as I seem them becuase I keep wondering whats coming next.
Stop looking at these things. You don't need to see them if they're so nightmarish for you. You've already been provided with links that debunk the Annunaki. Look at them, then find something non-conspiracy related to explore online.

[Strange]

But the advice is not actually tacking these things in detail

There is no point. It is all fantasy.


no one actually bothers to look at the links (ever) and show me why all of these things are silly one by one.

There is no point. It is ALL fantasy. What is the point of attempting to explain them one by one when you have just ignored previous attempts to do just that.

These fantasies are in your own head and only you can do something about it. Either stop looking at this stuff or start thinking about it instead of just believing everything you read (except, weirdly, anything rational posted here).


So excuse me for posting in that manner when people do sod all...

I don't know what you expect. People have tried dissecting earlier stuff you linked to and you just ignore it.
People have asked you to explain why any of this nonsense is plausible, and you just ignore them.
People have provided all sorts of practical advice. And ... yes, you have ignored it.

What else can people do for you?

[aliensdidit]

I know the anuanki is bunk to all of you all, its just the way the information is presented, I mean especially this chapter:

http://wespenre.com/new-revelations-on-wingmakers.htm

And I mean what the heck? Not to mention this Wes Penre gets in on the act himself:

http://wespenrepapers.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=thirdboard&action=display&thread=6


There is no point. It is all fantasy.



There is no point. It is ALL fantasy. What is the point of attempting to explain them one by one when you have just ignored previous attempts to do just that.

These fantasies are in your own head and only you can do something about it. Either stop looking at this stuff or start thinking about it instead of just believing everything you read (except, weirdly, anything rational posted here).



I don't know what you expect. People have tried dissecting earlier stuff you linked to and you just ignore it.
People have asked you to explain why any of this nonsense is plausible, and you just ignore them.
People have provided all sorts of practical advice. And ... yes, you have ignored it.

What else can people do for you?

Where the heck can you point to where you dissect the links provide, on the very rare occasion (and in little detail) - harldey ever.

[LaurelHS]

Rudeness and bad language don't make me feel particularly inclined to dissect your numerous links, thank you.

[Garrison]

I know the anuanki is bunk to all of you all, its just the way the information is presented, I mean especially this chapter:

http://wespenre.com/new-revelations-on-wingmakers.htm

And I mean what the heck? Not to mention this Wes Penre gets in on the act himself:

http://wespenrepapers.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=thirdboard&action=display&thread=6



Where the heck can you point to where you dissect the links provide, on the very rare occasion (and in little detail) - harldey ever.

If you want detailed answers you need to show you can make a case in your own words and not simply post link after link and ignore the very opinions you keep soliciting.

[aliensdidit]

BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW TO MAKE A FLIPPING CASE ABOUT THIS!!!!!!!!!G;O AGHO;GESOZASDU

GOOD GODq"!=!!!!

IF IT WERE NOT AGAINST THE RULES I'LL BE SAYING EVERY SWEAR WORD UNDER THE FREAKING SUN!!!!!

[LaurelHS]

Take a few deep breaths, then try explaining some of the sites' claims in your own words as Van Rijn suggested. Or if you're really in a state of high anxiety, perhaps step away from the computer until you've calmed down. We are trying to be civil to you, please do not scream at us.

[Strange]

I know the anuanki is bunk to all of you all, its just the way the information is presented, I mean especially this chapter:

http://wespenre.com/new-revelations-on-wingmakers.htm

I looked at that page and found myself shaking my head in utter disbelief after a few sentences. So, why not state one specific thing there that you think is plausible and .present it here along with an explanation of why you think it plausible and maybe we can discuss it. If you are willing to engage in a discussion.


Where the heck can you point to where you dissect the links provide, on the very rare occasion (and in little detail) - harldey ever.

In your very first thread, people provided far more detail and facts (with solid references) than any of the fantasy stuff you have linked to. You just ignored it.

[Van Rijn]

BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW TO MAKE A FLIPPING CASE ABOUT THIS!!!!!!!!!


You can start by answering posted questions. Engage in conversation.

[Strange]

BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW TO MAKE A FLIPPING CASE ABOUT THIS

And that may be because there is no case to be made. You are mistaking quantity for quality.

[Garrison]

BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW TO MAKE A FLIPPING CASE ABOUT THIS!!!!!!!!!G;O AGHO;GESOZASDU

GOOD GODq"!=!!!!

IF IT WERE NOT AGAINST THE RULES I'LL BE SAYING EVERY SWEAR WORD UNDER THE FREAKING SUN!!!!!

And there in lies the problem, you simply uncritically post these links, ask everyone for their opinions, and when those opinions are given reject them and carry right on with the links. It's been made pretty clear that this latest selection is a bad work of fiction. You can accept that view or not but it isn't magically going to change because you post yet more links to the same rubbish.

[aliensdidit]

Take a few deep breaths, then try explaining some of the sites' claims in your own words as Van Rijn suggested. Or if you're really in a state of high anxiety, perhaps step away from the computer until you've calmed down. We are trying to be civil to you, please do not scream at us.

All right, I'll come back after some shopping. Nice to do it at 12:30am

[aliensdidit]

But while I'm doing grocery shopping, please, at least just read this paper in detail, especially the papers:

http://wespenre.com/new-revelations-on-wingmakers.htm

Please.

[Gillianren]

Do you not understand that there's nothing new there for us? We've heard these claims before. Claims about the "Annunaki" are based on bad translations, bad anthropology, and a complete failure to understand that humans make things up. Reading yet another tedious paper making the same claims isn't going to convince people who have put thought into the subject.

[aliensdidit]

But have you seen people that want to summon them? Like this?:

http://wespenrepapers.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=fourthboard&action=display&thread=4&page=1


Dear Wes!
First of all, a great compliment for the new e-book! I am very impressed and I must first find time to translate the rest.
Today I started with my meager knowledge of English before, the most interesting chapter for me to read:
http://wespenre.com/marduk-issue-and-the-earth-bound-anunnaki.htm
The doctrine of the Thule in relation to the Apocalypse and the New Aeon are exquisitely presented and absolutely correct.
The events of today confirm our thesis: Euro-crisis drop in international currencies, regional conflicts size, for example, between Greece and Turkey (oil in the sea).
All these events accelerate our work. These conflicts occur in the "gods". Dr. Steven Greer and Dr. Richard Boylan with her thesis of the "good aliens" play into our hands. The decadence is so large that an attack of the "testosterone-lizards" from the system of the Orion will come unexpectedly.
Unfortunately, the lizards of the inner earth neutrality have sworn this oath, but must first be tested again when the "Annunaki Council of 12" threatens the Earth. These guys have blighted the genome, they created hybrids of the primitive and LuLu's own genes.
I'm hopeful. In friendship, Jarl Vidar

Read more: http://wespenrepapers.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=fourthboard&action=display&thread=4&page=1#ixzz1cmtXWSPn


And thats just one thing -

Going shopping now, will be back in an hour.

[Moose]

Three days, actually, to give everybody some clearly needed time to cool off and/or reestablish their patience. Otherwise, it will end badly.

[LaurelHS]

Well, I want to summon the spirit of Clarence Clemons to play some of those fierce saxophone solos for me. So what? I'm reminded of this Shakespeare quote (http://www.enotes.com/shakespeare-quotes/vasty-deep) (Gillianren probably knows it too). Anyone can summon spirits (or demons or aliens), but will they actually show up? Doubtful to say the least!

[sts60]

But while I'm doing grocery shopping, please, at least just read this paper in detail, especially the papers:

http://wespenre.com/new-revelations-on-wingmakers.htm

Please.

OK, I looked at it.

He's a raving lunatic, and that was the biggest mess of bad fiction, factual errors, and outright gibberish I've had the misfortune to lay eyes on in some time.

It's absolute made-up conspiracist nonsense.

You had asked about people evaluating some of the claims in the links you've been wringing your hands over. Well, they're baloney. There's no such thing as "triple-strand DNA", or a clearance called "Above Top Secret", or "Grays", or "scalar weapons", or "detun[ing] and changing frequencies" of Earth's "x, y, z axis". That's all just juvenile nonsense from scientific illiterates.

So why do you want to pay any attention to any of it? Because some nuts make up stuff and link to other nuts' Web pages of made-up drivel?

[Peter B]

Aliensdidit said:
But the advice is not actually tacking these things in detail, no one actually bothers to look at the links (ever) and show me why all of these things are silly one by one.

Okay. Here are some specific comments about statements made on ONE page from Penre’s site: http://wespenre.com/human-origins-and-the-living-library.htm


I have gone through the sources I found coherent and in tune with my own feeling on the subject.

Not a good start. In real science, and in history for that matter, you have to use all the source material. You don’t get to ignore the evidence or documents just because you don’t find them “…in tune with my own feeling on the subject…” Do I need to explain why?


… the different channeled material…

There is no such thing as channelling. It’s bunk. Saying material was obtained by channelling is equivalent to saying the material was made up.


In the original solar system there was no Earth. Instead, in an orbit between Mars and Jupiter, there was a planet much bigger than Earth, orbiting the Sun.

Not to my knowledge. The space between Mars and Jupiter never held a planet. It’s likely that gravitational perturbation by Jupiter was enough to stop the material there ever accreting into a planet. That region is now occupied by the Asteroid Belt.


Zecharia Sitchin, the Russian linguist and author, who translated the Sumerian tablets…

And did so unreliably. Experts have criticised the accuracy of his translations for decades. And now that there’s apparently a Sumerian Lexicon available, you can check it for yourself.


…and wrote "The Earth Chronicles" series about the Anunnaki, an alien race who came down to Earth some 450,000 years ago and later on created the current homo sapiens sapiens (us), which we shall discuss at length in a few papers on this website, says that Tiamat was destroyed about 4.5 billion years ago, shortly after the solar system was created.

Okay, we’ve already established there was no planet where Tiamat is supposed to have been. But anyway, let’s note the timing – about 4,500,000,000 years ago.


In the Ra Material, however, where Tiamat is called Maldek, it states that this planet was inhabited by intelligent beings, who even had built an Atlantis-like civilization before it was destroyed about 500,000 years ago.

This source times the planet’s destruction to 500,000 years ago. Comparing 4.5 billion years with half a million years is like comparing two and a half hours to a second.


What both Sitchin and Ra have in common is that Tiamat/Maldek was the planet between Mars and Jupiter which was destroyed.

And that’s all. How much credence can we place in these claims? They differ in the name of the planet, and they place its destruction at opposite ends of the Solar System’s history – one at its start, and one comparatively recently. It’s like saying two witnesses agreed that a car was involved in a crash, but one says it was a black Ferrari and the other says it was a white Mini.


According to Sitchin it was destroyed because an outside celestial body hit it and split it in half, while Ra says it was destroyed by warfare.

And they don’t even agree on the cause. Okay, the outside celestial body might have been an act of war, but neither source even hints at the other’s explanation. They might as well be talking about two completely separate events.


The Pleiadians tend to agree with Ra in this matter.

The who? It’s spectacularly unlikely that any intelligent creatures have come from the Pleiades. The Pleiades are a star cluster and very young (in astronomical and biological terms), both of which make life-bearing planets extremely unlikely.


The star Sirius is a trinary system, which means it consists of 3 stars in orbit around each other. Our scientists call them Sirius A, B, and C.

Not as far as I know. From what I read, it’s only a binary system. There is no Sirius C.


Sirius A,…also called the Pole Star…

No, it’s not the Pole Star. Its nickname is the Dog Star. I’ll let you work out why.


A little less than 1 billion years ago, Sirius C became a nova, exploded and ended up as a white dwarf star.

According to scientists, the Sirius system is less than 250 million years old.


However, 3.5 billion years before that, due to the instabilities of the original star, Nibiru was thrown out of its orbit and catapulted out in deep space, unmoored from its former orbit around Sirius C.

Okay, so according to this, Nibiru was thrown out of the Sirius system more than 4 billion years before it existed.


After have traveled through space for a very long time, Nibiru was eventually drawn into our solar system by the gravity of our outer planets and came in on retrograde. On its eccentric orbit and journey through our young solar system, one of its many moons, according to Sitchin, hit Tiamat and split the planet in half.

Objects like planets don’t get split in half when they’re struck by other similar objects. They shatter. Unless Sitchin is suggesting this moon was shaped like a meat cleaver. (That was a joke, okay?)

Oh, and remember this is the Sitchin version, in which the collision happened about 4.5 billion years ago.


After this violent visit, Nibiru left the inner solar system and continued its journey out in deep space again. However, due to the gravity from our solar system, Nibiru was now once and for all caught up by it and from thereon became a part of it. It started revolving around our Sun in a vast, elliptic orbit which takes around 3,600 years, give or take.

So, one [orbit] later, Nibiru came back, and one of the two halves of Tiamat was hit again and became what we know today as the asteroid belt. The second half, again struck by one of Nibiru's moons, was thrown out of orbit and became Earth.

Okay, a single collision like that is also not very likely to shift the Earth from an orbit between Mars and Jupiter to one between Venus and Mars. That’s not how orbital mechanics work. Also, why do these three collisions have three different results? One collision splits a planet in two, the second collision shatters one of the remaining halves, and the third collision plays solar billiards with the other half.


We can still see the impact if we look at pictures from the Pacific Ocean; it's like a piece of the planet is missing there, but is now covered with water.

This is wrong on three counts.

Firstly, from geology we know the Pacific Ocean (well, the entire surface of the Earth) is the result of plate tectonics – the continents moving slowly across the Earth in different directions. All the oceans are constantly changing shape as the continents move. The Pacific Ocean as we know it is less than 250 million years old.

Secondly, the depth of the Pacific Ocean is tiny compared to the size of the Earth. To illustrate it, draw a circle about 13 centimetres in diameter (5 inches if you don’t think in metric) to represent the Earth. At that scale, the depth of the Pacific Ocean would be about 0.1 millimetres (about 1/250th of an inch). The Pacific Ocean is not an impact scar.

Thirdly, the theory is that the Earth was originally formed from half of Tiamat, and was then struck one Nibiru year later to push it into its current orbit. That means that the Earth turned from a half-planet fragment into a sphere and solidified enough to leave the scar of the second impact in just 3600 years. That’s impossible. If the Earth was hot enough to flow from a hemisphere into a sphere, it wouldn’t have had time to cool into a solid in just 3600 years.


Another thing covered by the old Sumerians is that our Moon was basically one of Nibiru's moons, which they dropped during one of its crossings…

From the point of view of orbital mechanics this is very unlikely. From the point of view of lunar geology it’s also unlikely.


…and this is probably the reason why researchers like David Icke says that the Moon is inhabited by Reptilian beings…

David Icke says many things, including that the British Royal Family are those same Reptilian beings. How reliable do you think that makes him?


…while others say that we were interrupted in our Apollo Program because whomever claimed ownership to the Moon didn't want us there.

So the idea that the Apollo program was very expensive, people were bored with Apollo, and President Nixon thought he could safely cut NASA’s budget and voters wouldn’t complain is less likely?

Now remember I asked you to remember that Sitchin’s story had Nibiru entering our Solar System 4.5 billion years ago? And remember that one Nibiru orbit lasts 3600 years?. That means that Nibiru must have orbited the Sun more than 1 million times. Unfortunately, orbital mechanics is again our enemy. A highly elliptical orbit like Nibiru’s is unstable. Each time it comes close to the planets of the Solar System, its orbit would be nudged. Over time these nudges add up, and the result is that there’s basically no way that Nibiru could have remained in this elliptical orbit for that long.

Now I’m going to leave it there. I really shouldn’t spend time on stuff like this. But have I convinced you that Penre’s material is silly?

I’d like you to read this post. When you can post again, I’d like you to either acknowledge what I’ve written or ask questions about it.

[vonmazur]

Aliensdidit: The "August Company" here is trying to give you some valid epistemology, not answer every little nut job site that you find, it is up to you to develop some rational mentation and learn how to discern the irrational nature of these people who post such nuttiness. I used to get all worked up over this, long ago when I was a teenager, but exposure to the rules of logic and debate, along with a natural scepticism of outlandish claims, helped me to get over this phase of development...Please try to see why emotional arguments are invalid in dealing with the real world and science....

Dale

[Mellow]

Nice work Peter B, I would love to dare to dream that it will make a difference for Aliensdidit, however, I don't hold out a lot of hope. If he/sh really is a new student, I hope that this week would be full of lectures, cheap/bad food, beers, skivving lectures, kebabs and trying to chat up girls/blokes, out of his/her league... Well at least that accurately describes my student years.

[aliensdidit]

Aliensdidit: The "August Company" here is trying to give you some valid epistemology, not answer every little nut job site that you find, it is up to you to develop some rational mentation and learn how to discern the irrational nature of these people who post such nuttiness. I used to get all worked up over this, long ago when I was a teenager, but exposure to the rules of logic and debate, along with a natural scepticism of outlandish claims, helped me to get over this phase of development...Please try to see why emotional arguments are invalid in dealing with the real world and science....

Dale

You wold not believe it, but there is a part o my mind that is telling mme thathe whole concept of Annunaki alien overloads is just a bunch of nonsense that was made up by Stitchen. And I'm being honest that there really is a part of me that is saying its all bunk. But the horrible thing is that there aother part that gets me, I would say, curious, about some aspects of it. I'm talking aout how Roy Gordon, the Life Physics Group, James Cabolt, S.A.A.L.M (whether real or fake), and to an extent the likes of Supriem Rockefeller and Anthony Pike all fit into this (mainly, this link http://wespenre.com/new-revelations-on-wingmakers.htm). I won't go into detail but I have found evidence that show how Roy Gordon, James Casbolt, A.R. Bordon (head of the Life Physics group) interacted and organized themseves asfar back as 2006. But thats another story. What I'm trying t say is that I get too curious and ave this stupid need to find an end result, something that I can put into rational context. I hate confusion and wondering what has happened, its like I need to get everyting into order and try and make a rational end result out of it.

This whole Annunaki things is just crepy and seems to have deveoped cult like responses. Especially with Supriem Rockefeller and the Thule grroup wanting to open Stargates to let this Annunaki gods out. Mindblowing. The wole iea of Annunak godssecretly control the world does sound stupid, butsits the way hese people are interacting and producing content that sucks me into it.

[Space Chimp]

It's amazing how many plugs and name-drops for these flim-flammers you can work into a one paragraph. :neutral:

[Peter B]

G'day Aliensdidit. Over here!

* waves *

Have you read my post?


You wold not believe it, but there is a part o my mind that is telling mme thathe whole concept of Annunaki alien overloads is just a bunch of nonsense that was made up by Stitchen. And I'm being honest that there really is a part of me that is saying its all bunk.

You're right. It is.


But the horrible thing is that there aother part that gets me, I would say, curious, about some aspects of it. I'm talking aout how Roy Gordon, the Life Physics Group...{SNIP}...another story. What I'm trying t say is that I get too curious and ave this stupid need to find an end result, something that I can put into rational context. I hate confusion and wondering what has happened, its like I need to get everyting into order and try and make a rational end result out of it.

This whole Annunaki things is just crepy and seems to have deveoped cult like responses. Especially with Supriem Rockefeller and the Thule grroup wanting to open Stargates to let this Annunaki gods out. Mindblowing. The wole iea of Annunak godssecretly control the world does sound stupid, butsits the way hese people are interacting and producing content that sucks me into it.

Okay, two things.

Firstly, have another look at the mistakes I found in Penre's article which I quoted above. If he made all those mistakes in that article, how can you rely on him for anything else?

Secondly, I Google "Supriem Rockefeller" and found this thread: http://www.disclose.tv/forum/debunking-the-supriem-rockefeller-myth-hoax-t14339.html. I know nothing of the website or any of the posters, but several of the posts in the thread make very critical statements about both "Supriem Rockefeller" and Wes Penre, particularly the first post. Read it, please, for your own sake.

[tusenfem]

You wold not believe it, but there is a part o my mind that is telling mme thathe whole concept of Annunaki alien overloads is just a bunch of nonsense that was made up by Stitchen.


Stick with it.



And I'm being honest that there really is a part of me that is saying its all bunk.


It is, stick with this part of your mind



But the horrible thing is that there aother part that gets me, I would say, curious, about some aspects of it. I'm talking aout how Roy Gordon, the Life Physics Group, James Cabolt, S.A.A.L.M (whether real or fake), and to an extent the likes of Supriem Rockefeller and Anthony Pike all fit into this (bunk spamming link removed).


And so fit together the work of world domination by the Jews and the freemasons and the protestants and the communists ... Read it all in Umberto Eco's "the cemetary of prague." It's all in the protocols of the elders of zion.



I won't go into detail but I have found evidence that show how Roy Gordon, James Casbolt, A.R. Bordon (head of the Life Physics group) interacted and organized themseves asfar back as 2006. But thats another story.


You don't go into detail, but you still are throwing bunk at us, without even touching on the information, questions, advice that other posters have written here. You just dump your bunk claims. That may all be another story, please keep it to yourself, because we are not interested in your paranoia, which actually I think is all bogus, because at JREF you don't act the scared little student. This is all fake to spam BAUT with bunk links.



What I'm trying t say is that I get too curious and ave this stupid need to find an end result, something that I can put into rational context. I hate confusion and wondering what has happened, its like I need to get everyting into order and try and make a rational end result out of it.

This whole Annunaki things is just crepy and seems to have deveoped cult like responses. Especially with Supriem Rockefeller and the Thule grroup wanting to open Stargates to let this Annunaki gods out. Mindblowing. The wole iea of Annunak godssecretly control the world does sound stupid, butsits the way hese people are interacting and producing content that sucks me into it.

Well, then you better get out of university, these statements clearly show you are not the material to do any independent and critical research.

[aliensdidit]

Stick with it.

Well, then you better get out of university, these statements clearly show you are not the material to do any independent and critical research.

Being sarcastic and patronising know it all does no favours.

[aliensdidit]

G'day Aliensdidit. Over here!

* waves *

Have you read my post?



You're right. It is.



Okay, two things.

Firstly, have another look at the mistakes I found in Penre's article which I quoted above. If he made all those mistakes in that article, how can you rely on him for anything else?

Secondly, I Google "Supriem Rockefeller" and found this thread: http://www.disclose.tv/forum/debunking-the-supriem-rockefeller-myth-hoax-t14339.html. I know nothing of the website or any of the posters, but several of the posts in the thread make very critical statements about both "Supriem Rockefeller" and Wes Penre, particularly the first post. Read it, please, for your own sake.

Yes, its been accepted my most that SR is some sort of fraud. Even Wes Penre for a while thought this and wrote another e-book (called Life of a con-artist) but took it down. His reason being that not all of it what its seem and that SR had some eerie quality or something like that.

I'm gong back to a previous post, when I say that part of me is saying that its all rubbish and that Penre is unreliable when getting information. Its just something about the way everything is set out that disturbs me. I mean the Life Physics group release their own papers and its the way they interact with others that give this some weird dimension to it. I can't explain why but its the connections (which I won't go into detail) that give it another feel. Whether it also include James Casbolt or Roy Gordon. Or even Michael Lee Hill that just give off something.

[LaurelHS]

So ... you expect people here to debunk material that you won't provide details about?

[aliensdidit]

So ... you expect people here to debunk material that you won't provide details about?

Well what do you want me to do, type it word to word?

[Strange]

Its just something about the way everything is set out that disturbs me.

So you ask for (demand, even) a detailed rebuttal and then when it is provided just ignore it. Ho hum. You could at least say thank you.

[aliensdidit]

Ok, thank you , happy now?

[Paul Beardsley]

(not sure if it deserves it)

Considering the patience they have shown you, they certainly do deserve it.

ETA I see you've edited out the bit I quoted.

[Strange]

Ok, thank you , happy now?

Did you actually read post #101? Given the amount of work Peter B put into it, I'm not sure why you are being so ... oh never mind.

[aliensdidit]

Considering the patience they have shown you, they certainly do deserve it.

ETA I see you've edited out the bit I quoted.

On my part, I thought it was Strange asking for a thank you to him personally, before I realized he meant Peter B

[aliensdidit]

Did you actually read post #101? Given the amount of work Peter B put into it, I'm not sure why you are being so ... oh never mind.

I did acknowledge his post and agreed with him that most of what is written looks and sounds stupids. Its just that know one has addresed the Lfe Physics group (and AR Bordon), Ray Gordon, S.A.A.L.M and James Cosbolt.

[PaulLogan]

That may all be another story, please keep it to yourself, because we are not interested in your paranoia, which actually I think is all bogus, because at JREF you don't act the scared little student. This is all fake to spam BAUT with bunk links.

agreed.
i thought it was obvious before this thread that he was playing with baut. and with success i might add.

i wouldn't be surprised if "aliensdidit" turned out to be a particular sock.
remember the guy who - after having been banned as a sock at least once - returned claiming to be a doc in a hospital with his friend - the previously banned sock - sitting next to him?

just a hunch, of course, but i'd check his ip range...

[Noclevername]

I did acknowledge his post and agreed with him that most of what is written looks and sounds stupids. Its just that know one has addresed ...

aliensdidit, I'm going to ask the obvious question: Why don't you address it yourself? You saw the kind of simple Google research Peter did, you know how to think critically, so just take apart their claims and analyze them with a skeptical eye. We aren't going to address every one of the huge mass of claims and links that you posted, there's too much!

You need to start re-developing analytical skills youself. Get someone to help you if you need to.

Here, go to RationalWiki (http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Main_Page) and look up those names. Get onto some other skeptical websites if you wish.

[LaurelHS]

I mean the Life Physics group release their own papers and its the way they interact with others that give this some weird dimension to it.
I just don't understand why this is significant and/or disturbing. Anyone can post papers on the Internet.

[Gillianren]

And indeed, releasing your own scientific papers (instead of going through reputable journals) makes you less reliable.

[aliensdidit]

Well, at the risk of getting banned for posting more links, I manage to find two papers written by this "Life Physics grup"

http://preview.tinyurl.com/d9oar67 - This paper has both A.R Bordon and Roy Gordon on it, so this was before the so called betrayal where Roy Gordon sabotages their research, claims he is part of S.A.A.L.M and posts those pictures of the so called Annunaki lady to that James Colbert (seen in Wes Penre's 3rd paper in the past and present section) and goes on some disinformation campaign.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/d2qqkub - And this really does not mention Roy Gordon, but does give a bit of background of the Life Physics group and its members in the first section. Goes into detail on things like aliens walking among us, all that stuff, and provides photo claims.

This is what I'm trying to tell people, its not exactly the content but how its all play out. You've got this Roy Gordon who works for these people but then starts spreading disinformation to people lke James Csbolt, sends threatining emails to not only people like Casbolt but to even random members of forums (like the one in GLP). He laims he is part of S.A.A.L.M and is working on behalf of Lord Marduck and this connects to all types of people like Michael Lee Hill (who also has been sent emails from Roy Gordon). That is why I linked Wes Penre's papers becuase all of this is in there. Whether you think he is gullible or not does not block he fact that he has manage to get information from many different people and (to an extent) got all the details in at least a semi organized manner. You see what I'm trying to get?

[PaulLogan]

... You see what I'm trying to get?

yes. it is quite obvious: you are a clown and a troll.

[LaurelHS]

So, basically, dysfunctional people on the Internet are drawn to each other, and then they get into all kinds of interpersonal drama because they're dysfunctional.

[aliensdidit]

Well it gets serious if ne these people are found to be dead, if we go to what A.R Bordon says, then in August of this year James Casbolt was found dead in his home - http://truthin369.wordpress.com/2011/06/21/james-casbolt-nsa-whistleblowermust-read/

Do you not realize how deep and disturbing this all is. No wonder I think something sinister is going around.

[LaurelHS]

People die all the time. Your link doesn't describe the circumstances of his death; it's just a lot of incoherent alarmist e-mails that may or may not be genuine. Blaming deaths on a so-called conspiracy (with no evidence) is something we've seen before. An example is the Moon hoax crowd saying that astronaut James Irwin was murdered because he was going to talk about the hoax, when the truth is that Irwin died of a heart attack at age 61 after suffering from heart problems for years.

[aliensdidit]

I know tat it may not be all that it seems. Its just that the way I have seen all of this, and the way Roy Gordon harrassed this Casbolt and was even giving him fake photos of aliens on purpose to discredit him just gives me the chills.

[LaurelHS]

What were the circumstances of James Casbolt's death? Why should it deeply disturb me?

[PetersCreek]

Okay, everyone take a breath. Out-and-out name-calling has seen one member banned. Let's not have anymore infractions or warnings because folks on either side of the discussion let frustration get the better of them.

[Peter B]

Aliensdidit

Have you found any evidence supporting these stories which is separate from these people who keep referencing each other? For example, if someone died, was it reported in the local newspaper?

If not, how do you know these people aren't just makin' stuff up?

If you're a university student, you should be learning about checking and cross-referencing sources.

[aliensdidit]

Look, its vitally important that I share this information (I don't care if I get in trouble), its important that people know how the story has panned out:

Do not copy/paste walls of text that may have copyright

http://wespenre.com/new-revelations-on-wingmakers.htm

And that is only about half of it there. There is also the emails that evreyone sent to each other. The suppose workings of this S.A.A.L.M group and the suppose leaked emails by Casbolt. EVERYONE, needs to know the background to get any understanding of what is going on, and how dangerous it seems to be.

[LaurelHS]

I don't see an answer to my question in this wall of text/copyright violation. What were the circumstances of James Casbolt's death? Why should it deeply disturb me?

[aliensdidit]

I don't see an answer to my question in this wall of text/copyright violation. What were the circumstances of James Casbolt's death? Why should it deeply disturb me?

Well the fact that he was the one who braught the whole S.A.A.L.M to light and then the person who leaked it to him started to harras him (Roy Gordon) and then started saying that he was part of S.A.A.L.M, and also claimed that he had died along with A.R Bordon http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1602531/pg1

Of course this makes it sound all sinister

[LaurelHS]

The link does not say anything about the circumstances of his death. Do you have a more detailed/reliable site than GLP? I know of real people who were threatened, attacked, or killed because they spoke about controversial subjects (I'd list them, but this might be considered political and therefore against board rules. PM me if you want examples.). What happened to these people is well-documented. That sort of thing does disturb me. Unsupported allegations from fringe sites, on the other hand, do not disturb me.

[dmr81]

http://tinyurl.com/d2qqkub - [...] Goes into detail on things like aliens walking among us, all that stuff, and provides photo claims.

What do you mean by "photo claims"? Maybe I misunderstood you but I was expecting photos of aliens or their spacecraft. I looked through the whole PDF and was quite disappointed to find there were no aliens or spacecraft.

Unless I missed something* there were 3 photos in the document. One was a of a lenticular cloud, used for the cover page. The second was the "blue marble" photo of Earth from Apollo 17, used in the title page. The third was a photo of Sacsahuaman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacsahuaman) ("a walled complex on the northern outskirts of the city of Cusco, Peru, the former capital of the Inca empire."), on page 54.

Which of those was a "photo claim"? What exactly is the claim? What is the evidence for the claim? Do you find the claim convincing? If so, why?

*If you're referring to some other photo(s), please indicate which one(s) and answer the above questions about them.

BTW, I noticed there were lots of quotes from James McCanney. His claims are debunked by the BA here (http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/misc/mccanney/index.html). If you think the BA is wrong, please explain why.

[aliensdidit]

Ever heard of Dean Warnick? He was a conspiracy researcher who was about to announce shocking revelations but died on the stage. Casbolt was there and told about his experiance, but he also recieved threatening emails from S.A.A.L. soon after.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/SAALM01.pdf

I fear its too much to be a coincidence.

[LaurelHS]

So we've moved on from James Casbolt without an answer to my question. I see. I'm afraid I'm not going to be convinced that someone was murdered because of an alien conspiracy if the allegations can't be backed up. Sorry.

[Peter B]

Look, its vitally important that I share this information (I don't care if I get in trouble), its important that people know how the story has panned out:
S.A.A.L.M. is (or used to be...{SNIP}
Then I contacted Leo Zagami, who confirms that Supriem Rockefeller is real...{SNIP}
At first, I was stunned because of the mentioning...{SNIP}

http://wespenre DOT com SLASH new-revelations-on-wingmakers DOT htm

And that is only about half of it there. There is also the emails that evreyone sent to each other. The suppose workings of this S.A.A.L.M group and the suppose leaked emails by Casbolt. EVERYONE, needs to know the background to get any understanding of what is going on, and how dangerous it seems to be.

Oh look, more mentions of Supriem Rockefeller as genuine, when it seems fairly well established he's a scam artist.

And look where you get the information from - Wes Penre again - who we've already established is not a reliable source. So stop quoting him.

Let me repeat both those statements: Supriem Rockefeller appears to be a scam artist, and Wes Penre is not a reliable source.

Make posts like this again and I will start reporting them to the Moderators.

[Grashtel]

DR ROY GORDON
ACTION_ACIO
SAALM
33 DEGREE OF ZION
PINE GAP
NTH AUSTRALIA"[17]
And that is only about half of it there. There is also the emails that evreyone sent to each other. The suppose workings of this S.A.A.L.M group and the suppose leaked emails by Casbolt. EVERYONE, needs to know the background to get any understanding of what is going on, and how dangerous it seems to be.
Apparently "S.A.A.L.M" fails at secrecy judging by the fact that they don't even explain to their members that signing off on emails with their affiliation to them is a bad idea for keeping the organization a secret.

[Noclevername]

EVERYONE, needs to know the background to get any understanding of what is going on, and how dangerous it seems to be.

No one needs to know about, and there is no danger from, con artists talking to other con artists about mythological beings.

[tusenfem]

Well, at the risk of getting banned for posting more links, I manage to find two papers written by this "Life Physics grup"

http://tinyurl.com/d9oar67 - This paper has both A.R Bordon and Roy Gordon on it, so this was before the so called betrayal where Roy Gordon sabotages their research, claims he is part of S.A.A.L.M and posts those pictures of the so called Annunaki lady to that James Colbert (seen in Wes Penre's 3rd paper in the past and present section) and goes on some disinformation campaign.

Have you actually looked at the description of the authors at the end? You really want to take these loonies seriously? Also this is no "paper" in the common scientific sense, this is just bunk from their own little "online journal of end time" or whatever.



A. R. Bordon (arborden@foundationreportsinlifephysics.org) is a biophysicist, experienced gnosive neurosensor, writer and consultant to a research institute funded by Foundation One and its corporate sponsor. His interests are in bioenergetic human-environment interaction effects, mind/matter interface effects, exobiology, and exopolitics. He leads a team of gnosive researchers dedicated to extension neurosensing (a proprietary method of gnosive research for the accessing) of information cumuli interfaced by physical-gnosive means. He is also one of several scientists working on an evolving Working Model from information derived from this research as an alternative to the Standard Model in physics and cosmology.


Roy W. Gordon (a-c-t-i-o-n_acio@hotmail.com) is also a biophysicist. He has served as deputy director of the foundation’s research institute and as manager of several of the institute’s projects. At present, he serves as project manager for two Foundation One programs – physical-gnosive research and futures scenarios. He also serves in the oversight group that manages the public information and upcoming presence projection on the internet of all Foundation activities. He is managing editor of Foundation Reports In Life Physics Online, and an associate editor of the forthcoming Journal of End Time Studies Online.




This is what I'm trying to tell people, its not exactly the content but how its all play out.


Ahhh yeah YOU are trying to tell people. No, you don't tell anything, you just go bait hook and sinker for any bunk junk you find on the web, and are deaf to people trying to explain things to you. You want US to believe, we don't and never will. You are just spammning.



Whether you think he is gullible or not does not block he fact that he has manage to get information from many different people and (to an extent) got all the details in at least a semi organized manner. You see what I'm trying to get?


We don't care if this Wes guy is gullible, what we are saying that YOU are gullible.
And hey! I got a bridge to sell you.

[tusenfem]

Oh My Gawd! I believe you now aliensdidit, I just found this prayer on the web!



"Master Rahl guide us. Master Rahl teach us. Master Rahl protect us. In your light we thrive. In your mercy we are sheltered. In your wisdom we are humbled. We live only to serve you. Our lives are yours."


Rahl = Marduk!

[aliensdidit]

I'm starting to think that people on here think I'm getting some sort of pleasure from doing all of this, and somehow being some sort of troll or joker.

Do you people honestly think that I don't get frustrated with myself? That I don't think to myself how much time I've been using up on all of this? You don't know how much I think to myself and and say what on earth am I doing. I frustrate myself a lot when I go to bed at 2am after posting on here and realise that I have 3 essays to do in the next 20 days and lots of reading required and I still get wounded up by this whole thing and only get a few hours sleep. Do you honestly think I enjoy coming onto forums like this and looking like a complete twit to complete strangers? I wish I had confidence like some of you display here when you see the same things as I. I do hate myself sometimes.

You say I can't think these through, well I'll give it a go, lets look at those two papers that A.R Bordon (and Roy Gordon) wrote:

Future battle between the Nibiru Annunaki and the earthbound Annunaki? Well if we go what the two papers say that Nibiru has a 3,600 orbit that will pass the Earth in 2012. Then how can Annunaki exist if there is no such thing as Nibiru? Because if that does not exists then surely the annunaki (and Lord Marduk) can not exist.

Contact with the pleiadians? How can a vast intelligent life from exist on a star system (the Pleiades) that can not in the first place support life

Greys? Oh come on, how cliche.

Its very hard to explain then why I'm still getting drawn into all of this. I try hard to ignore it all. I really try to have a lifestyle where I get a goodnights sleep and I'm in the library for hours just doing research and notes for my essays. But everytime I try this pressure builds up in me and the tempatation gets too much to me.

Its all about how these people interact with each other. Take that Roy Gordon, first he is writing papers for this life physics group, then he apparently steals photos and leaks them in some kind of disinformation campaign. Then he now writes emails as if he is member of this S.A.A.L.M group, I mean there are ven emails where either he or someone he knows posts as Henry Kissinger to intimidate this James Casbolt:

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message601324/pg1

I mean all of the information can be found in Penre's papers, but for now (before I take a nap to make up time for lost sleep) I just want to point out this wayback archives of James Csbolt's site - http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/SAALM01.pdf


Mainly the emails he gets from tem.After conspiracy theorist Dean Warnicks high profile death on stage and Casbolt's eyewitness claims, he gets emails from S.A.A.L.M (from Roy Gordon and/or others). He gets apparent leaked photos which are apparent fakes to discredit him. Then he apparently gets leaked emails about this S.A.A.L.M and there discussions. Not to mention on paper 3 from Wes Penre that has the book "Between Christ and Satan" wiith the extra written bit that says "To our beloved king of kings Lord Marduk"

Its horrible, its like half of me is saying its all nonesense. But the other half is pulling me back and showing me all of these strange things, and with the likes Casbolt apparenly now dead and this whole "S.A.A.L.M" business, its stops me frm leaving it all. I try and sit down and do work, but the most I can forget about all of this is at most 10-12 hours 9from guessing) then it starts to drag back in my mind... this whole thing is a mess.

[Noclevername]

Get some counseling! If you can't control your obsession, it's controlling you.

[Strange]

Get some counseling! If you can't control your obsession, it's controlling you.

Seconded. And soon, before it starts causing serious problems with your study or your life.

[dmr81]

no one actually bothers to look at the links (ever) and show me why all of these things are silly one by one.

I took the time to look at one of your links and I've provided you with information about it and asked you questions about it (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php/123601-Wes-Penre-Annunaki?p=1955835#post1955835).

Your response was to simply ignore them and change the subject.

Please respond before raising any more new claims.

[Space Chimp]

Can't believe anyone takes this guy seriously. He's probably here to seed the forum with terms for spambots and search engines to link onto. Nothing more. I mean who writes like this?

[Noclevername]

Can't believe anyone takes this guy seriously. He's probably here to seed the forum with terms for spambots and search engines to link onto. Nothing more. I mean who writes like this?

I've met people who talk like that. Mostly at my therapist's office.

[LaurelHS]

I'm starting to think that people on here think I'm getting some sort of pleasure from doing all of this, and somehow being some sort of troll or joker.
I for one would be more patient if you would answer my questions instead of just posting the same links repeatedly.

[Peter B]

I'm starting to think that people on here think I'm getting some sort of pleasure from doing all of this, and somehow being some sort of troll or joker.

Do you people honestly think that I don't get frustrated with myself? That I don't think to myself how much time I've been using up on all of this? You don't know how much I think to myself and and say what on earth am I doing. I frustrate myself a lot when I go to bed at 2am after posting on here and realise that I have 3 essays to do in the next 20 days and lots of reading required and I still get wounded up by this whole thing and only get a few hours sleep. Do you honestly think I enjoy coming onto forums like this and looking like a complete twit to complete strangers? I wish I had confidence like some of you display here when you see the same things as I. I do hate myself sometimes.
Aliensdidit

Rather than hating yourself, get help. Talk to the counsellors at your uni.

Look, I'm studying at uni at the moment too - I have two weeks to finish three assignments before I get my Graduate Diploma. So I know what it's like to get distracted by topics like this.


You say I can't think these through, well I'll give it a go, lets look at those two papers that A.R Bordon (and Roy Gordon) wrote:

Future battle between the Nibiru Annunaki and the earthbound Annunaki? Well if we go what the two papers say that Nibiru has a 3,600 orbit that will pass the Earth in 2012. Then how can Annunaki exist if there is no such thing as Nibiru? Because if that does not exists then surely the annunaki (and Lord Marduk) can not exist.

Excellent.


Contact with the pleiadians? How can a vast intelligent life from exist on a star system (the Pleiades) that can not in the first place support life

Excellent.


Greys? Oh come on, how cliche.

LOL! (Perhaps Grey is the new Black?)


Its very hard to explain then why I'm still getting drawn into all of this. I try hard to ignore it all. I really try to have a lifestyle where I get a goodnights sleep and I'm in the library for hours just doing research and notes for my essays. But everytime I try this pressure builds up in me and the tempatation gets too much to me.

It's good you see this in yourself. But if you don't trust yourself to manage the issue, that's when you need help. The counsellors at your uni are there to help you, not judge you.


Its all about how these people interact with each other. Take that Roy Gordon, first he is writing papers for this life physics group, then he apparently steals photos and leaks them in some kind of disinformation campaign. Then he now writes emails as if he is member of this S.A.A.L.M group, I mean there are ven emails where either he or someone he knows posts as Henry Kissinger to intimidate this James Casbolt:

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message601324/pg1

Okay, whoa! End of the third message in that link - "Henry Kissinger" signs his letter "33 Priory of Sion". Never mind the 33, just note that the Priory of Sion isn't real. It was a fake organisation set up in 1956 by a Frenchman who was looking for a bit of publicity. Check it out on Wikipedia.


I mean all of the information can be found in Penre's papers, but for now (before I take a nap to make up time for lost sleep) I just want to point out this wayback archives of James Csbolt's site - http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/SAALM01.pdf

Mainly the emails he gets from tem.After conspiracy theorist Dean Warnicks high profile death on stage and Casbolt's eyewitness claims, he gets emails from S.A.A.L.M (from Roy Gordon and/or others). He gets apparent leaked photos which are apparent fakes to discredit him. Then he apparently gets leaked emails about this S.A.A.L.M and there discussions. Not to mention on paper 3 from Wes Penre that has the book "Between Christ and Satan" wiith the extra written bit that says "To our beloved king of kings Lord Marduk"

Its horrible, its like half of me is saying its all nonesense. But the other half is pulling me back and showing me all of these strange things, and with the likes Casbolt apparenly now dead and this whole "S.A.A.L.M" business, its stops me frm leaving it all. I try and sit down and do work, but the most I can forget about all of this is at most 10-12 hours 9from guessing) then it starts to drag back in my mind... this whole thing is a mess.
Like we've said before - get professional help.

Seriously, if you have a flat tyre we don't want to hear you complain about it being flat, we want to hear you saying you've changed it.

[Paul Beardsley]

Seriously, if you have a flat tyre we don't want to hear you complain about it being flat, we want to hear you saying you've changed it.

For the win!

[Strange]

Okay, whoa! End of the third message in that link - "Henry Kissinger" signs his letter "33 Priory of Sion". Never mind the 33, just note that the Priory of Sion isn't real. It was a fake organisation set up in 1956 by a Frenchman who was looking for a bit of publicity.

He actually went to some quite extraordinary lengths. He planted fake documents on a shelf in a public library. So when the "researchers"(1) who wrote Holy Blood/Holy Grail(2) followed references in the other (faked) documents he gave them, they would be led to it.

(1) They don't deserve the title. They were so willing (desperate) to believe, he really didn't need to go to that much trouble. He could have written it out in front of them and they would have accepted it as an ancient document.

(2) And of course, the "grail" never existed anyway. It first appears in a piece of mediaeval French literature. And wasn't holy. No one makes a big fuss about the equally holy candelabra...

[sts60]

Look, its vitally important that I share this information (I don't care if I get in trouble), its important that people know how the story has panned out:

Do not copy/past walls of text that may have copyright

No, it is not vitally important. No one cares about crackpots making up stories about other crackpots. It's a turgid mess of conspiracist nonsense referring to other conspiracist nonsense. That's all.

And I already cited several instances of Penre's laughably wrong claims, after wasting time reading his drivel at your request, and you simply ignored that and post more of his crap.

<snip spammed link to discredited crackpot>


And that is only about half of it there. There is also the emails that evreyone sent to each other.

Direct question: Why should we care about crackpots sending emails to other crackpots?


The suppose workings of this S.A.A.L.M group and the suppose leaked emails by Casbolt.

"Supposed" is correct. Direct question: What evidence do you have for any of these claims in the real world - i.e., not one crank website referring to another? You have refused to provide any real-world evidence for this baloney, and you have willfully ignored a number of posters pointing out that the many basic errors contained therein. Why exactly should any of us care about this drivel when you are too lazy to consider explanations that you asked for?


EVERYONE, needs to know the background to get any understanding of what is going on, and how dangerous it seems to be.

Bull. It's not "dangerous" except in the sense that someone with a rational mind could bust a gut laughing at this cheesy drivel.

[sts60]

I'm starting to think that people on here think I'm getting some sort of pleasure from doing all of this, and somehow being some sort of troll or joker.

That explanation fits the facts quite well. I do not believe you are making any attempt to think seriously about this, or despite your protestations attempting to restrain yourself in any way, as evidenced by your similar handwringing at at least one other forum.

I actually attempted to engage you and address your questions directly. I now regret wasting my time doing so, and have had enough of your drama-queen routine. No, I don't care if I get infracted for saying so.

If you're not a troll, or simply out to spam this self-referential crap, then go get counseling, because no one here is going to participate in your hand-wringing party. I for one am completely done with you. *Plonk*

[aliensdidit]

He actually went to some quite extraordinary lengths. He planted fake documents on a shelf in a public library. So when the "researchers"(1) who wrote Holy Blood/Holy Grail(2) followed references in the other (faked) documents he gave them, they would be led to it.

(1) They don't deserve the title. They were so willing (desperate) to believe, he really didn't need to go to that much trouble. He could have written it out in front of them and they would have accepted it as an ancient document.

(2) And of course, the "grail" never existed anyway. It first appears in a piece of mediaeval French literature. And wasn't holy. No one makes a big fuss about the equally holy candelabra...

Don't get me wrong, I know how much they went to make it seem real, and maybe I should have taken that on board when I got into all of this. Butit all goes back to these individuals going through fantastic lengths to produce what is in front of us know. Whether it be James Casbolt and his claims of being a former MI6 agen and Mind control test tube baby. To A.R Bordon and his whole life physics group that make claims of having meeting with alien councils (!) and developing out of this world technology. To the whole creepy premise of S.A.A.L.M and the suppose intentially leaked information to "discredit" people and its connection to the Wingmakers myth.

Unfortunatly I have this flaw where I feel like I must try and piece all of the pieces together and try and find a rational overview and conclusion to regin sanity. And this is the problem, you have Wes Penre giving its own spin. You have this supposedly Roy Gordon harrasing people and claiming to be situated at Pine Gap in Austrailia, and pratically everything else.

[HenrikOlsen]

Don't get me wrong, I know how much they went to make it seem real, and maybe I should have taken that on board when I got into all of this. Butit all goes back to these individuals going through fantastic lengths to produce what is in front of us know. Whether it be We Don't Give A Damn About These People Stop Spamming Their Names and his claims of being a former We Don't Give A Damn, Stop Spamming This and We Don't Give A Damn, Stop Spamming This. To We Don't Give A Damn About These People Stop Spamming Their Names and his whole life physics group that make claims of having meeting with alien councils (!) and developing out of this world technology. To the whole creepy premise of We Don't Give A Damn About These People Stop Spamming Their Names and the suppose intentially leaked information to "discredit" people and its connection to the Wingmakers myth.

Unfortunatly I have this flaw where I feel like I must try and piece all of the pieces together and try and find a rational overview and conclusion to regin sanity. And this is the problem, you have We Don't Give A Damn About These People Stop Spamming Their Names giving its own spin. You have this supposedly We Don't Give A Damn About These People Stop Spamming Their Names harrasing people and claiming to be situated at We Don't Give A Damn About These People Stop Spamming Their Names in We Don't Give A Damn About These People Stop Spamming Their Names, and practically everything else.
It all comes back to you actively working to promote these people by adding their names in your posts. If you're serious about wanting to get over this, STOP POSTING THOSE FRIGGIN' NAMES, you aren't helping the case for you not being a trolling spammer by spamming names.

Get counseling. Seriously.

There's nothing constructive for you in being here, we can't help you because you don't read what we write or at least you have no way of internalizing the message which comes to the same thing.

You really seriously need to get professional face-to-face help about this and if you don't do it very soon your UNI time is likely to be very short.

[Luckmeister]

Don't get me wrong, I know how much they went to make it seem real, and maybe I should have taken that on board when I got into all of this. Butit all goes back to these individuals going through fantastic lengths to produce what is in front of us know. Whether it be James Casbolt and his claims of being a former MI6 agen and Mind control test tube baby. To A.R Bordon and his whole life physics group that make claims of having meeting with alien councils (!) and developing out of this world technology. To the whole creepy premise of S.A.A.L.M and the suppose intentially leaked information to "discredit" people and its connection to the Wingmakers myth.

Unfortunatly I have this flaw where I feel like I must try and piece all of the pieces together and try and find a rational overview and conclusion to regin sanity. And this is the problem, you have Wes Penre giving its own spin. You have this supposedly Roy Gordon harrasing people and claiming to be situated at Pine Gap in Austrailia, and pratically everything else.

"....just seems creepy."

"....is all very eerie to say the least."

"....gives me the chills."

"....is very disturbing."

"....something sinister is going around."

These are the typical in-depth conclusions you draw after each new collection of links you spam us with. You become angry and frustrated by our responses but remember, you are making those comments on a science forum, not on a Youtube page. Am I right that you're a history major? Is this the kind of emotional, superficial and slanted analysis of historical events you will be doing in your studies?

I know I said I would stop reading your posts, but there is something about a train wreck that won't let one look away. Please take the very important step of meeting with a school counselor to discuss your obsession. That's why they're there.

[aliensdidit]

No, it is not vitally important. No one cares about crackpots making up stories about other crackpots. It's a turgid mess of conspiracist nonsense referring to other conspiracist nonsense. That's all.

And I already cited several instances of Penre's laughably wrong claims, after wasting time reading his drivel at your request, and you simply ignored that and post more of his crap.

<snip spammed link to discredited crackpot>



Direct question: Why should we care about crackpots sending emails to other crackpots?



"Supposed" is correct. Direct question: What evidence do you have for any of these claims in the real world - i.e., not one crank website referring to another? You have refused to provide any real-world evidence for this baloney, and you have willfully ignored a number of posters pointing out that the many basic errors contained therein. Why exactly should any of us care about this drivel when you are too lazy to consider explanations that you asked for?



Bull. It's not "dangerous" except in the sense that someone with a rational mind could bust a gut laughing at this cheesy drivel.

I guess it was becuase these emails provide the backdrop and information as to what is going on. It shows important information such as this Roy Gordon and the SAALM group, and how they harras people like Michael Lee Hill (who claimed to have contact with the annunaki and Lord Marduk) and others already mentioned. Not to mention weird events like the apparent death of James Casbolt. Plus these emails gave us the first information about this so called SAAALM and the leaked documents and pictures.

Which leads onto your second question, the one thing I can show you is something that has been bugging me for a while. Thereis a book called the Great Controversy, that is part of the so called leaked documents and photos that were apparently linked - as seen here: http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_illuminati_40.htm

If you look closer you will see a phrase written on it, that says "To Our Beloved King of Kings, Lord Marduk" http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1078475/pg1 From what I understand, there is no other copy of this book that has this phrase in it.

[aliensdidit]

"....just seems creepy."

"....is all very eerie to say the least."

"....gives me the chills."

"....is very disturbing."

"....something sinister is going around."

These are the typical in-depth conclusions you draw after each new collection of links you spam us with. You become angry and frustrated by our responses but remember, you are making those comments on a science forum, not on a Youtube page. Am I right that you're a history major? Is this the kind of emotional, superficial and slanted analysis of historical events you will be doing in your studies?

I know I said I would stop reading your posts, but there is something about a train wreck that won't let one look away. Please take the very important step of meeting with a school counselor to discuss your obsession. That's why they're there.

I'm an undergraduate student in my first year. So I'm not exactly some great acedemic who has the experiaance to know what to do.

[LaurelHS]

Not to mention weird events like the apparent death of James Casbolt.
Why do you keep referencing this event when you refuse to provide any details about it? BTW, the other so-called mysterious death was Dean Warwick, not Warnick. How carefully are you reading these links if you can't copy the names correctly?

...his whole life physics group that make claims of having meeting with alien councils (!) and developing out of this world technology.
So? Nancy Lieder makes similar claims and she goes into great detail about the Zetas. Does that mean she's credible? She said the world would be destroyed by a rogue planet in 2003 and has made plenty of other erroneous predictions, so I'm thinking NO.


If you look closer you will see a phrase written on it, that says "To Our Beloved King of Kings, Lord Marduk" [GLP link] From what I understand, there is no other copy of this book that has this phrase in it.
Right. The all-powerful Illuminati lets people post pictures of their secret texts on public forums. Makes sense to me. :rolleyes:

[dmr81]

[...]

Still waiting for your response (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php/123601-Wes-Penre-Annunaki?p=1956091#post1956091).

[aliensdidit]

What do you mean by "photo claims"? Maybe I misunderstood you but I was expecting photos of aliens or their spacecraft. I looked through the whole PDF and was quite disappointed to find there were no aliens or spacecraft.

Unless I missed something* there were 3 photos in the document. One was a of a lenticular cloud, used for the cover page. The second was the "blue marble" photo of Earth from Apollo 17, used in the title page. The third was a photo of Sacsahuaman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacsahuaman) ("a walled complex on the northern outskirts of the city of Cusco, Peru, the former capital of the Inca empire."), on page 54.

Which of those was a "photo claim"? What exactly is the claim? What is the evidence for the claim? Do you find the claim convincing? If so, why?

*If you're referring to some other photo(s), please indicate which one(s) and answer the above questions about them.

BTW, I noticed there were lots of quotes from James McCanney. His claims are debunked by the BA here (http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/misc/mccanney/index.html). If you think the BA is wrong, please explain why.

I have already said that a part of me agrees that all of it is bunk when they go on about things like Nibiru and use people like you have mention. Although I do wonder what hey mean when they go on about their informants. But that was to show that these peeople do do intense research and seem to add more authennticity to the whole situation. What I'm interrested is how this Roy Gordon seems to have changed to tthis person working for the good of humanity. To someone who reveals to be working for the enemy and then does things like fake information to discredit people like James Casbolt and send bizzare emmails to people either warning thhem, explaining something or even threatening them.

[LaurelHS]

Why don't you answer my questions? Or other posters' direct questions?

[Gillianren]

You keep saying these people "claim" things. Direct question--how seriously should you take claims without evidence? Just because someone says something, does that make it true?

[aliensdidit]

Why don't you answer my questions? Or other posters' direct questions?

For god's sake I have been asking for questions, I' cant at the moment as I'm heading off to the library for some much needed studying.

[Paul Beardsley]

For god's sake I have been asking for questions, I' cant at the moment as I'm heading off to the library for some much needed studying.

In the time it took you to post complete garbage, you could have answered some questions.

[Luckmeister]

I have already said that a part of me agrees that all of it is bunk when they go on about things like Nibiru and use people like you have mention. Although I do wonder what hey mean when they go on about their informants. But that was to show that these peeople do do intense research and seem to add more authennticity to the whole situation.

Are you familiar with the "intense research" and hard work Trekkies put into creating detailed engineering documents for the Enterprise spacecraft. Does that tell you the Enterprise was actually real?

And do you realize the extensive research that goes into writing a sci-fi novel?

[aliensdidit]

What? What the hell has that got anything to do with it.

[aliensdidit]

In the time it took you to post complete garbage, you could have answered some questions.

I've already answered some flipping questions. I'm off now.

[sts60]

Why don't you answer my questions? Or other posters' direct questions?

He didn't answer my questions (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php/123601-Wes-Penre-Annunaki?p=1956177#post1956177). He evaded them in a very disingenous manner:

1. I asked why we should care about crackpots emailing other crackpots, and instead of answering this question, he actually referred to the "backdrop and information about what is going on", rather than address the issue that these sites are crackpot. This is especially dishonest, I feel, after spending so much time wringing his hands about he just knows it must be bogus, but... then goes right back to spamming the same rubbish.

2. I asked for direct evidence for any of the claims - not more crackpot websites - and he came back with another crackpot website, with more crap about Nibiru and other idiocy, right after pretending to acknowledge that the whole Nibiru thing is bogus.

I read this response, and I have concluded that his bluffs toward acknowledging various claims are wrong are in fact simply that - bluffs in order to support this hysterical-little-girl act. It's dishonest and tiresome, a sort of self-concern troll, and I've put hin on ignore.

[captain swoop]

OK this has degenerated into a flurry of backbiting and ad homs.

Some posters are getting close to infractions

I see no further point in letting this thread continue it is going nowhere.