Greenies...sigh.

[astromark]

The following is a point of view. Mine. I am not expecting a single once of support but, would like to know if others are like minded.

A petroleum company while drilling and extracting product from the sea floor had a very bad accident. The costs were massive and much life was lost.
The damage done was excessive and its going to be decades before normal life cycles return to the Gulf of Mexico.
Now taking all of that, and its ramifications on, I still want for petroleum products or at least a running auto... I like the look of the cake, but enjoy eating it too.

Here in New Zealand theres a hint of trouble brewing off the east coast of our North Island. A contracted petroleum exploration is being interrupted by a action of 'Greenpeace'. Yes I do support the freedom of rights to protest. In this country we have those rights. My grizzle is this.
A few decades ago NZ made a bit of a name protesting and banning nuclear power and weapons... Despite all of this. My view has softened. I can see Nuclear power as clean and safe.

There was some very foolish people acting for this Greenpeace initiative whom sailed a bunch of barely sea worthy craft into the Tasman sea to block and interfere with the transport of spent Nuclear fuel being transported through this area.
I understand the right to protest. BUT... Foolish and stupid is the action that could bring about the very disaster 'they' are worried about. On that occasion a English escorting warship did run onto a reef while undertaking protection measures...
Are these peace bandits so stupid that they would endanger the very action they fear... yep.

I perhaps foolishly thought we are smarter than this. Maybe not.

What do you think.?

[Jamotron]

I can't stand greenpeace etc for those exact reasons. Sometimes I am sympathetic with their aims but their methods don't do them any favours. You're never going to convince anyone of your point of view by acting like a child.

[Frog march]

Companies like BP cut corner after corner, in order to increase profits, this is what leads to accidents...the same is true of the nuclear industry, if anyone is behaving like children, it is them, thinking babyishly about what they can get away with time after time.

Watch The China Syndrome, Astromark, to get an idea about what goes on.

[pzkpfw]

Do "piece bandits" go around robbing Men of their toupees?

[Swift]

I can't stand greenpeace etc for those exact reasons. Sometimes I am sympathetic with their aims but their methods don't do them any favours. You're never going to convince anyone of your point of view by acting like a child.
My thoughts exactly. I have been an active member of the environmental movement for over 30 years, been an active member and leader of several groups, and a long time contributor to many groups, and I wouldn't give Greenpeace the time of day. In addition to everything else, I don't like their fundraising methods. I've never given them a dime and I probably get three or four requests from them a year. Obviously to me they are spending the money given to them on stunts and on asking for more money.

[Fazor]

The way they physically attack whaling ships, then cry if the ships fight back (hey, that's not fair!) turns me off to Greenpeace. They're dangerously extremest* and, IMHO, should be considered a terrorist organization. There's a difference between the right of free speech and peaceful gathering, and flat out assault.

*I know that not all members are like that, so I don't mean to paint each individual member with the same brush. That said, IMHO, you shouldn't be a part of an orginization that takes part in those types of practices even if you, yourself, do not.

[Frog march]

I didn't know that Greenpeace attacked whaling ships; I thought that was the SeaShepherds.

Good for them anyway.


eta: well, I suppose the SeaShepherds annoy me a bit...they seem to treat it as a bit of a game, ramming ships etc, and it probably only feeds into the political Japanese east vs. west politics that are the reason for the whaling in the first place.

[NEOWatcher]

I just view these groups (Greenpeace, PETA, and others related to more ethical or political issues) as radicals like any radical religious group.
It's not worth mentioning unless they commit crimes, or the general public needs a "kick in the pants" for believing some of thier garbage.

[Gillianren]

Watch The China Syndrome, Astromark, to get an idea about what goes on.

I did, actually, just the other day. It's the nuclear equivalent of Capricorn One. Scientifically ludicrous and positing the kind of conspiracy that can't last.

[Glom]

The way they physically attack whaling ships, then cry if the ships fight back (hey, that's not fair!) turns me off to Greenpeace. They're dangerously extremest* and, IMHO, should be considered a terrorist organization. There's a difference between the right of free speech and peaceful gathering, and flat out assault.

They are so caught up in their piety that they think anything they do is justified because they're righteous and anything their enemies do is evil because they're, well, evil. They do literally not understand that anything they do in the pursuit of their righteous cause could possibly be wrong.

[Delvo]

I'm more concerned by the mainstreamers; fringe freaks can more easily be ignored, and the mainstream has more effect overall, but they're still doing it wrong and having negative effects. When I worked in forestry, I saw state land managers trying to manage the land in a way that was based on catering to environmentalist demands instead of on what would or wouldn't actually work, because the environmentalists' ideas of how forests work are based on nothing resembling actual knowledge of how forests work. They push for alternative energy production methods that physically just do not have the potential to meet the needs that are currently met by fossil fuels, while vehemently protesting against the only one that does. They focus on relatively minor issues like trash disposal, while ignoring and distracting from the real problem that dwarfs all the rest (including global warming) combined: worldwide destruction of soil fertility and fresh water supplies, which is on its way to cause a dramatic crash in human population which will include destruction of all natural ecosystems everywhere.

[astromark]

Do "piece bandits" go around robbing Men of their toupees?

Piece is now peace... and would have been if i looked earlier.

[astromark]

I think we will see that history will record 'Greenpeace' as a corrupted fringe bunch of loons. Which is kind of sad.
Because they could have been the good guys police.
As my post has received a level of response I had not expected I feel encouraged and pleased... thanks all.